airshow with Z6 II and 500 PF experience

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Took my Z6 II to the local airshow, first time choosing to take that over my D5 to an event like that, wanting to try it out in prep for possibly switching all-in to the new Z6 III, and wow was I unimpressed. I have lots of shooting experience with my Z6 II, but mostly for static stuff or event shooting with shorter Z primes, so this was first try with a long lens and these kind of moving subjects.

As it went on, I got more used to it, but the first time putting it up to the eye, and with the lens and IBIS set to the sport mode to allow for intentional movement, it was a jittery, herky jerky mess as I tracked planes in the viewfinder, especially and most notably when slowly tracking at a distance, where my own movement with the lens is very slow given the subjects distance and trajectory. I adjusted to it over time, but it was a far from ideal experience, and quick pans during flybys were even tougher with the low FPS viewfinder in the Z6 II and long blackout times even with the mechanical shutter slowed to 5 fps to have less interruption.

My hope would obviously be that the Z6 III, with its many documented improvements, would be a SUBSTANTIAL improvement in a scenario and situation like this, not just a slight improvement. The poor VR implementation with the FTZ was also very discouraging, which I know the VR on an adapted lens will never be as good as a native Z lens, but yeah, when it comes to intentional movements, turning VR completely off might have been the better choice.

Switching to a 70-200 FL for slow speed pans on closer fly bys proved less problematic and something that was easier to adjust to, just adapting to the evf and compensating with pan speed and the lag to it.

And that's not to mention the AF that at times was great and did what was needed using dynamic or small wide box, to then just at times racking focus in and out on its own for no reason despite keeping the subject clearly within confines of my chosen af area. I was waiting for a plane to cross in front of the moon as it got darker, and when my moment finally came, the bright moon near the plane (of which it was already locked onto and tracking) caused the camera and lens combo to rack focus again. and the moon wasn't even behind the plane, but just close by, and my wide small af point wasn't touching the moon in any way. Should've just released AF on since the focus would've likely have still been good enough at that distance :/

I was originally intending on keeping my 500 PF and then adapting it to my planned Z6 III or even future Z9, but if the VR performance is similar to how it was here (and if the Z 400 4.5 or 180-600 are supposed to be way more fluid in natural in how the VR operates), that might have me rethinking my planned use of long F mount lens and the FTZ.
 
Oddly, with my first Gen z7 and Tamron 150-600 I didn't experience a jerky viewfinder like that even with vr on at the airshow I used it at.

Was it on "normal", or "sport"?
 
No photos?! I shot an airshow with a Z7II (high+ and sometimes DX) and the 100-400S and had very little trouble. Wide (L People) worked better than dynamic. Even nabbed a few shots with my Z50.
 
I originally bought a Z6 to check out mirrorless versus SLR. I was very unimpressed with its performance for moving targets, so packed it away, but did move from my D5 and D6 to Z9’s.

I just bought the Z6III as a back-up travel body. I plan to try it at airshows in September. From my initial testing it’s a world apart from the Z6 (and probably the Z6II) and far closer to a Z9 in operation and capability, so I have high hopes for it.

I’m using 3D focus with aircraft detection on the Z9’s with great success, and the Z6III also has this capability.

I used to own the 500PF and adapted it a few times on the Z9‘s but sold it before the value dropped too much, and now use Z telephotos from 400 to 800mm.

I think in general the Z telephotos can provide better images than the F lenses and handle better. I would say that’s the way to go.

There are many choices in the Z range to consider. My current favorites for airshows are the 400 f2.8TC and the 800 f6.3 (as long as heat distortion and pollution doesn’t soften the images), but the less expensive Z telephotos also do a fine job.
 
Oddly, with my first Gen z7 and Tamron 150-600 I didn't experience a jerky viewfinder like that even with vr on at the airshow I used it at.

Was it on "normal", or "sport"?
Sport. Normal was worse, but sport still seemed like it was fighting me unless it was a super intentional quick pan.

How does your Z9 / 180-600 combo fare for VR and tracking in the viewfinder?
 
I can report that my 180-6o0 on a Z9 tracks very well and the VR helps no end at low shutter speeds. You do need to select VR Sport to stop the image 'jumping' in the view finder.
 
Haven't even looked through them yet. plenty on the LCD looked great when reviewing on the ground. I'm confident enough in my ability to get great shots regardless of the gear, but my concern with my experience was just how much I had to fight the system.
 
Oddly, with my first Gen z7 and Tamron 150-600 I didn't experience a jerky viewfinder like that even with vr on at the airshow I used it at.

Was it on "normal", or "sport"?
Sport. Normal was worse, but sport still seemed like it was fighting me unless it was a super intentional quick pan.

How does your Z9 / 180-600 combo fare for VR and tracking in the viewfinder?
 
I can report that my 180-6o0 on a Z9 tracks very well and the VR helps no end at low shutter speeds. You do need to select VR Sport to stop the image 'jumping' in the view finder.
 
I recall that many owners have reported that the image moves in the EVF if you use regular VR, but not if you use VR Sport. Nothing to do with not being 'steady'.
 
I recall that many owners have reported that the image moves in the EVF if you use regular VR, but not if you use VR Sport. Nothing to do with not being 'steady'.
 
Agreed, it's the re-centering that causes the jumping. I'm always handholding, and often panning at low shutter speeds, so I'm happy to go with VR Sport and perhaps lose the last little bit of vibration reduction.
 
I don't have any of your equipment but Just wondering if lighting, or lack thereof, might be the problem. I live pretty close to Mather AFB where the airshow was and didn't hear any planes flying until around 6 pm. On top of that, it was cloudy all day on Sunday.
 
I don't have any of your equipment but Just wondering if lighting, or lack thereof, might be the problem. I live pretty close to Mather AFB where the airshow was and didn't hear any planes flying until around 6 pm. On top of that, it was cloudy all day on Sunday.
Wasn't cloudy during the airshow at all. And stayed pretty bright out until nearly 8 PM
 
Took my Z6 II to the local airshow, first time choosing to take that over my D5 to an event like that, wanting to try it out in prep for possibly switching all-in to the new Z6 III, and wow was I unimpressed. I have lots of shooting experience with my Z6 II, but mostly for static stuff or event shooting with shorter Z primes, so this was first try with a long lens and these kind of moving subjects.
No kidding, the D5 is superior for that kind of shooting fast panning and autofocus over the Z6II. You should been using a Z8 or Z9 which have far better autofocus on moving subjects than a Z6II.
As it went on, I got more used to it, but the first time putting it up to the eye, and with the lens and IBIS set to the sport mode to allow for intentional movement, it was a jittery, herky jerky mess as I tracked planes in the viewfinder, especially and most notably when slowly tracking at a distance, where my own movement with the lens is very slow given the subjects distance and trajectory. I adjusted to it over time, but it was a far from ideal experience, and quick pans during flybys were even tougher with the low FPS viewfinder in the Z6 II and long blackout times even with the mechanical shutter slowed to 5 fps to have less interruption.

My hope would obviously be that the Z6 III, with its many documented improvements, would be a SUBSTANTIAL improvement in a scenario and situation like this, not just a slight improvement. The poor VR implementation with the FTZ was also very discouraging, which I know the VR on an adapted lens will never be as good as a native Z lens, but yeah, when it comes to intentional movements, turning VR completely off might have been the better choice.

Switching to a 70-200 FL for slow speed pans on closer fly bys proved less problematic and something that was easier to adjust to, just adapting to the evf and compensating with pan speed and the lag to it.

And that's not to mention the AF that at times was great and did what was needed using dynamic or small wide box, to then just at times racking focus in and out on its own for no reason despite keeping the subject clearly within confines of my chosen af area. I was waiting for a plane to cross in front of the moon as it got darker, and when my moment finally came, the bright moon near the plane (of which it was already locked onto and tracking) caused the camera and lens combo to rack focus again. and the moon wasn't even behind the plane, but just close by, and my wide small af point wasn't touching the moon in any way. Should've just released AF on since the focus would've likely have still been good enough at that distance :/

I was originally intending on keeping my 500 PF and then adapting it to my planned Z6 III or even future Z9, but if the VR performance is similar to how it was here (and if the Z 400 4.5 or 180-600 are supposed to be way more fluid in natural in how the VR operates), that might have me rethinking my planned use of long F mount lens and the FTZ.
 
Took my Z6 II to the local airshow, first time choosing to take that over my D5 to an event like that, wanting to try it out in prep for possibly switching all-in to the new Z6 III, and wow was I unimpressed. I have lots of shooting experience with my Z6 II, but mostly for static stuff or event shooting with shorter Z primes, so this was first try with a long lens and these kind of moving subjects.
No kidding, the D5 is superior for that kind of shooting fast panning and autofocus over the Z6II. You should been using a Z8 or Z9 which have far better autofocus on moving subjects than a Z6II.
This is a massively exaggerated opinion. Pretty much anything is capable of good air show photos.
 
My hope would obviously be that the Z6 III, with its many documented improvements, would be a SUBSTANTIAL improvement in a scenario and situation like this, not just a slight improvement.
It is, but I'm not sure what was really causing your jerkiness if you were using mechanical shutter at 5.5 fps.
The poor VR implementation with the FTZ was also very discouraging, which I know the VR on an adapted lens will never be as good as a native Z lens, but yeah, when it comes to intentional movements, turning VR completely off might have been the better choice.
If so, then I'd guess that it is a third party lens that reverse engineered Nikon's VR and, well, the Z's are a bit different.
Switching to a 70-200 FL for slow speed pans on closer fly bys proved less problematic and something that was easier to adjust to, just adapting to the evf and compensating with pan speed and the lag to it.
This is the part I don't fully understand. If you were at >5.5 fps I could, because the Z6 and Z6 II just don't have the data speed and horsepower to create a "live" viewfinder while doing everything else you're asking.
And that's not to mention the AF that at times was great and did what was needed using dynamic or small wide box, to then just at times racking focus in and out on its own for no reason despite keeping the subject clearly within confines of my chosen af area.
I'd guess that the VR was killing you here, given your other comments. But I'd have to see you in action and check your camera's settings to be sure. In general, I've never had that issue with a Z6 II set properly with Nikon native lenses.
I was waiting for a plane to cross in front of the moon as it got darker, and when my moment finally came, the bright moon near the plane (of which it was already locked onto and tracking) caused the camera and lens combo to rack focus again.
Yes, that's fairly typical of almost all mirrorless systems, particularly when you've got atmospheric effects between you and the subject: they like the brighter background and contrast they find there, and then hang there. Sony had this same problem—as demonstrated time and again in trying to use them as endzone roving live video cameras in the NFL—at least until about the A1 launch. Recent Sonys, just like Nikons, tend to not do this nearly as much, and this is one area Sony is currently better at than Nikon (at least with the top models).
and the moon wasn't even behind the plane, but just close by, and my wide small af point wasn't touching the moon in any way. Should've just released AF on since the focus would've likely have still been good enough at that distance :/
Yep. Your distance to the plane was not changing much, if at all. You have to be fairly close in and having the plane coming at an angle to you to absolutely need constant AF.
I was originally intending on keeping my 500 PF and then adapting it to my planned Z6 III or even future Z9, but if the VR performance is similar to how it was here (and if the Z 400 4.5 or 180-600 are supposed to be way more fluid in natural in how the VR operates), that might have me rethinking my planned use of long F mount lens and the FTZ.
I don't see any issues with the 500mm PF on the FTZ on any Nikon body set properly.
 
My hope would obviously be that the Z6 III, with its many documented improvements, would be a SUBSTANTIAL improvement in a scenario and situation like this, not just a slight improvement.
It is, but I'm not sure what was really causing your jerkiness if you were using mechanical shutter at 5.5 fps.
The poor VR implementation with the FTZ was also very discouraging, which I know the VR on an adapted lens will never be as good as a native Z lens, but yeah, when it comes to intentional movements, turning VR completely off might have been the better choice.
If so, then I'd guess that it is a third party lens that reverse engineered Nikon's VR and, well, the Z's are a bit different.
Switching to a 70-200 FL for slow speed pans on closer fly bys proved less problematic and something that was easier to adjust to, just adapting to the evf and compensating with pan speed and the lag to it.
This is the part I don't fully understand. If you were at >5.5 fps I could, because the Z6 and Z6 II just don't have the data speed and horsepower to create a "live" viewfinder while doing everything else you're asking.
And that's not to mention the AF that at times was great and did what was needed using dynamic or small wide box, to then just at times racking focus in and out on its own for no reason despite keeping the subject clearly within confines of my chosen af area.
I'd guess that the VR was killing you here, given your other comments. But I'd have to see you in action and check your camera's settings to be sure. In general, I've never had that issue with a Z6 II set properly with Nikon native lenses.
I was waiting for a plane to cross in front of the moon as it got darker, and when my moment finally came, the bright moon near the plane (of which it was already locked onto and tracking) caused the camera and lens combo to rack focus again.
Yes, that's fairly typical of almost all mirrorless systems, particularly when you've got atmospheric effects between you and the subject: they like the brighter background and contrast they find there, and then hang there. Sony had this same problem—as demonstrated time and again in trying to use them as endzone roving live video cameras in the NFL—at least until about the A1 launch. Recent Sonys, just like Nikons, tend to not do this nearly as much, and this is one area Sony is currently better at than Nikon (at least with the top models).
and the moon wasn't even behind the plane, but just close by, and my wide small af point wasn't touching the moon in any way. Should've just released AF on since the focus would've likely have still been good enough at that distance :/
Yep. Your distance to the plane was not changing much, if at all. You have to be fairly close in and having the plane coming at an angle to you to absolutely need constant AF.
I was originally intending on keeping my 500 PF and then adapting it to my planned Z6 III or even future Z9, but if the VR performance is similar to how it was here (and if the Z 400 4.5 or 180-600 are supposed to be way more fluid in natural in how the VR operates), that might have me rethinking my planned use of long F mount lens and the FTZ.
I don't see any issues with the 500mm PF on the FTZ on any Nikon body set properly.
Thanks, Thom. Yeah the jerkiness i was experiencing was less when actually shooting, and more when using the camera and lens more as a telescope if that makes sense, just simply following planes without shooting and keeping af-on engaged during it. So when at that greater distance to subject, even if the plane is doing a couple hundred mph, i'm barely moving, and so these slight consistent movement is where the camera and lens seemed to want to be recentering on me despite having the sport VR turned on. It was better than if i had VR off and was strictly relying on handholding, but it kinda went from smooth and steady to a jerk and then back to smooth. The result wasn't soft photos when i was clicking them off, but rather it was difficult to keep the plane in the center of the frame or wherever I wanted it to be, and especially when the planes were closer to fill the frame using the 500, the lag of the EVF might have been a larger culprit than the lens/IBIS VR, or both in conjunction.

What I meant with the faster flybys is that, even with the lag of the EVF on the Z6, and the help of using the wider angle of the 70-200 to give more breathing room on the subject, I was able to tune my brain to move ahead of what I saw on the EVF. I tried keeping my other eye open outside the camera , too, which kind of helped. Definitely limited, but not impossible to adjust to. I've done panning at race tracks with the Z6 II before using 50 and 24mm Z primes, and those are more forgiving as the wider angle of view makes the EVF lag much more forgiving i found and was quite easy to adjust to.

Like I said, was first time shooting the Z6 II at a place such as this, and I'm also not a birder, but I am very happy with lots of pictures, most , almost all really, non slow shutter speed pics were sharp after reviewing, and I didn't doubt that part of the camera and lens, but more criticizing that the camera just wasn't as fun nor friendly to use for these kind of subjects. Lots of internal (and external even lol) "c'mon, c'mon" kind of dialogue happening during it haha.
 
some small exports of a few decent ones. Edited these in the dark and might have put a little too much vignette on a few, but overall, as always, Nikon colors and raw files are tremendous.

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It depends on the definition of ‘good’. Yes, pretty much anything is capable of shooting airshows to some extent, but if you want the best images then you need a combination of skill, practice, and suitable equipment.

You need to be able to handhold your equipment as you are probably going to be tracking fast moving aerobatic aircraft at high angles from the horizontal. A monopod or tripod and gimbal is too restrictive.

Your panning skills should be well honed as you need to track prop aircraft at low shutter speeds to get good prop blur. Good VR is going to help here.

You need to recognize the presence of heat distortion, and pollution from the aircraft, which can soften your images.

In terms of current equipment, the Z9, Z8, and now the Z6III, are eminently suitable as they have 3D plus aircraft detection which locks on and stays on the subject. I used to shoot with D4, D5, and D6 often using AFC single point, with good results but for me the Z9 has made life a whole lot easier. I don’t believe that the older Z6 and Z7 series offer the level of focus tracking that you really need. My Z6 certainly didn’t.

These are my personal observations based on years of shooting airshows. Others may have different opinions.
 

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