Reversed lens; does 0.5mm of thread make a difference?

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Hello 🙂 I have a new Nikkor 5.6/80mm. I'm going to use this small reversed lens.

It is a 34.5mm filter size lens.

Can I use a step-up ring of 34mm to 52mm?
I just need to know if 0.5mm will make a difference or if I really need a ring with the precise 34.5mm on one of the threads. Thank you.
 
I have enough trouble fitting rings that are the right size, I’d say a different size would not work
 
Thanks for your help.
 
My experience is that 0.5mm DOES make a difference. If you happen to have a 34mm ring, certainly try it, but my guess is it will be too loose, leading to a disastrous lens crash.

I see that ebay has a 34.5 to 39mm step up ring (nothing like 34.5 to 52). Then you'd need a 39 to 52mm step up ring. Lucking they're inexpensive.

OOPS! CANCEL THE ABOVE

Amazon has just what you need

https://www.amazon.com/M34-5x0-5-M5...31573&sprefix=34.5+adapter+ring,aps,86&sr=8-1

Lester Lefkowitz www.MacroPhotographer.net
 
Glad you found this guy, I had forgotten about him.

Many years ago he made a custom adapter ring for an esoteric lens I own. He does beautiful work! If anyone needs something custom-made, he's the go-to-guy; ships anywhere in the world.

Lester Lefkowitz www.MacroPhotographer.net
Yes, he seems to be a competent person and produces pieces that are otherwise not easy to find. I'm waiting for my ring these days .-)
 
Thanks a lot Lester 🙂 for your help.
I found this here in Portugal:

https://customphototools.com/step-rings-for-filters/
Maybe a valuable resource for you all.
I have four of his adapters.
  • M34.5x0.5 for my EL-Nikkor 85mm f/5.6 and 50mm f/4
  • M40.5x0.5 for most of my EL-Nikkors, 50mm f/2.8, 63mm f/3.5 and f/2.8, 105mm f/5.6
  • M40.5x0.5 with 8mm threads for my 28mm f/1.8 Ultra Micro Nikkor. It's threads are recessed and a regular 40.5mm adapter does not engage properly. Conversely, the UMN adapter threads too deeply into a regular EL-Nikkor and jams, so best keep the adapters separate.
  • M43x0.5 for my Schneider Componon S 50mm f/2.8.
Mine all go from the lens filter size to M42x1. I use M42x1 as the "interchange standard" in all my macro gear, so in addition to the adapters I named, I have 5 common microscope threads (RMS, M25x0.75, M26x0.72 (yes, that's right), M27x0.75, M32x0.75), M39x26TPI (aka LTM or "Leica thread mount") for forward mounted enlarger lenses, M40x0.75 for my Leitz Photar 50mm f/2.8, and M42x0.75.

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I see you've already done "the right thing (tm)" but if you don't mind, I'm going to take a moment to explain why your initial "wrong thing" was even wronger than you imagined.
Hello 🙂 I have a new Nikkor 5.6/80mm. I'm going to use this small reversed lens.

It is a 34.5mm filter size lens.
It has a 34.5x0.5mm filter. The 0.5mm is the thread pitch, 0.5mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next. This thought is important: hold onto it for a minute.
Can I use a step-up ring of 34mm to 52mm?
No. The standard step-up ring will have a 34x0.75mm thread. 0.75mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next.
I just need to know if 0.5mm will make a difference or if I really need a ring with the precise 34.5mm on one of the threads. Thank you.
You do. With a 0.5mm diameter difference, and the fact that most thread adapters are made in China and deliberately undersized on the male side (and oversized on the female side) because their tolerances are low and undersized males or oversized females will not jam or get stuck. (although it may spontaneously loosen up, wobble, cross thread, or even "pop off" if it's too badly undersized). When you use a Chinese adapter on a Nikon (or other typical Japanese) lens, the effect isn't as bad as Chinese to Chinese but it's still bad. Going deliberately 0.5mm under will make it dangerously bad and you're much more likely to experience a pop-out or tilt-out.

With the 0.25mm thread pitch difference, properly fitting threads will rotate at most one full turn, then jam solid, to the point where you may not be able to unjam them without tools called "filter wrenches" and using freeze-mist to chill the male side.

With the combination of 0.5mm of diameter mismatch and 0.25mm pitch mismatch the lens and filter are likely to feel like they're threading together while the male and female threads grind the tops off each other, basically wrecking everything.
 
I see you've already done "the right thing (tm)" but if you don't mind, I'm going to take a moment to explain why your initial "wrong thing" was even wronger than you imagined.
Hello 🙂 I have a new Nikkor 5.6/80mm. I'm going to use this small reversed lens.

It is a 34.5mm filter size lens.
It has a 34.5x0.5mm filter. The 0.5mm is the thread pitch, 0.5mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next. This thought is important: hold onto it for a minute.
Can I use a step-up ring of 34mm to 52mm?
No. The standard step-up ring will have a 34x0.75mm thread. 0.75mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next.
I just need to know if 0.5mm will make a difference or if I really need a ring with the precise 34.5mm on one of the threads. Thank you.
You do. With a 0.5mm diameter difference, and the fact that most thread adapters are made in China and deliberately undersized on the male side (and oversized on the female side) because their tolerances are low and undersized males or oversized females will not jam or get stuck. (although it may spontaneously loosen up, wobble, cross thread, or even "pop off" if it's too badly undersized). When you use a Chinese adapter on a Nikon (or other typical Japanese) lens, the effect isn't as bad as Chinese to Chinese but it's still bad. Going deliberately 0.5mm under will make it dangerously bad and you're much more likely to experience a pop-out or tilt-out.

With the 0.25mm thread pitch difference, properly fitting threads will rotate at most one full turn, then jam solid, to the point where you may not be able to unjam them without tools called "filter wrenches" and using freeze-mist to chill the male side.

With the combination of 0.5mm of diameter mismatch and 0.25mm pitch mismatch the lens and filter are likely to feel like they're threading together while the male and female threads grind the tops off each other, basically wrecking everything.
Thank you for your explanation. I think I'm clear on this subject and I've made the right choice .-)
 
I see you've already done "the right thing (tm)" but if you don't mind, I'm going to take a moment to explain why your initial "wrong thing" was even wronger than you imagined.
Hello 🙂 I have a new Nikkor 5.6/80mm. I'm going to use this small reversed lens.

It is a 34.5mm filter size lens.
It has a 34.5x0.5mm filter. The 0.5mm is the thread pitch, 0.5mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next. This thought is important: hold onto it for a minute.
Can I use a step-up ring of 34mm to 52mm?
No. The standard step-up ring will have a 34x0.75mm thread. 0.75mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next.
I just need to know if 0.5mm will make a difference or if I really need a ring with the precise 34.5mm on one of the threads. Thank you.
You do. With a 0.5mm diameter difference, and the fact that most thread adapters are made in China and deliberately undersized on the male side (and oversized on the female side) because their tolerances are low and undersized males or oversized females will not jam or get stuck. (although it may spontaneously loosen up, wobble, cross thread, or even "pop off" if it's too badly undersized). When you use a Chinese adapter on a Nikon (or other typical Japanese) lens, the effect isn't as bad as Chinese to Chinese but it's still bad. Going deliberately 0.5mm under will make it dangerously bad and you're much more likely to experience a pop-out or tilt-out.

With the 0.25mm thread pitch difference, properly fitting threads will rotate at most one full turn, then jam solid, to the point where you may not be able to unjam them without tools called "filter wrenches" and using freeze-mist to chill the male side.

With the combination of 0.5mm of diameter mismatch and 0.25mm pitch mismatch the lens and filter are likely to feel like they're threading together while the male and female threads grind the tops off each other, basically wrecking everything.
Thank you for your explanation. I think I'm clear on this subject and I've made the right choice .-)
You're welcome, and I think you made the right choice, too. Like I said, I've dealt with custom tools before and his quality is impressive.
 
I see you've already done "the right thing (tm)" but if you don't mind, I'm going to take a moment to explain why your initial "wrong thing" was even wronger than you imagined.
Hello 🙂 I have a new Nikkor 5.6/80mm. I'm going to use this small reversed lens.

It is a 34.5mm filter size lens.
It has a 34.5x0.5mm filter. The 0.5mm is the thread pitch, 0.5mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next. This thought is important: hold onto it for a minute.
Can I use a step-up ring of 34mm to 52mm?
No. The standard step-up ring will have a 34x0.75mm thread. 0.75mm from the peak of one thread to the peak of the next.
I just need to know if 0.5mm will make a difference or if I really need a ring with the precise 34.5mm on one of the threads. Thank you.
You do. With a 0.5mm diameter difference, and the fact that most thread adapters are made in China and deliberately undersized on the male side (and oversized on the female side) because their tolerances are low and undersized males or oversized females will not jam or get stuck. (although it may spontaneously loosen up, wobble, cross thread, or even "pop off" if it's too badly undersized). When you use a Chinese adapter on a Nikon (or other typical Japanese) lens, the effect isn't as bad as Chinese to Chinese but it's still bad. Going deliberately 0.5mm under will make it dangerously bad and you're much more likely to experience a pop-out or tilt-out.

With the 0.25mm thread pitch difference, properly fitting threads will rotate at most one full turn, then jam solid, to the point where you may not be able to unjam them without tools called "filter wrenches" and using freeze-mist to chill the male side.

With the combination of 0.5mm of diameter mismatch and 0.25mm pitch mismatch the lens and filter are likely to feel like they're threading together while the male and female threads grind the tops off each other, basically wrecking everything.
Thank you for your explanation. I think I'm clear on this subject and I've made the right choice .-)
You're welcome, and I think you made the right choice, too. Like I said, I've dealt with custom tools before and his quality is impressive.
When I receive the ring, I'll let you know if it's good quality .-)
 
I agree with Jim. Would never ever try any rings that were not to exact spec.
 

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