I would be disappointed if it's a P1000 upgrade. An advanced APSC body is definitely need, followed by Z7iii. The Z50/Zfc/Z30 and Z5 are still good budget camera and price competitive especially if video features not a priority.
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Guessing the two new bodies rumored to come since Z6iii release...
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jmccas
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I wouldn’t complain if a Z5ii/Zfcii/ Z50ii was released with IBIS. I just don’t think we’ll see a Z7iii.
I’m on the fence on whether I’d buy a D500 replacement. If it’s similar in size to the Z8, probably not but if it was smaller I’d be more inclined.
I would like to see some smaller but capable bodies that can complement the bigger bodies in the lineup.
agree, I would not want that
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Bolstered by the latest rumor, their has to be an updated Z50 on the horizon. With the crazy EU rule on acceptable terminals they are surely not going to loose sales to an entire region of the world of the only real entry level camera they have not being legal for sale. Whether they change anything else will be the mystery.
A D500 like DX Z body will be Z6/Z7 like body for IBIS and battery. Should be minimum 24mp partially or fully stacked.
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Maybe....just maybe...Nikon will drop a big one on us and upgrade the D700. 
I'd settle for Z7III, since it would also give me the DX option (as well). Hmmm, might have to backpedal and get the Z8....and call it a day.
I'd settle for Z7III, since it would also give me the DX option (as well). Hmmm, might have to backpedal and get the Z8....and call it a day.
I think there are video features, like different codecs (H.265, Apple ProRes,...) , which actually cost the manufacturer extra money. H.265 is only around a dollar, but Apple ProRes might be a lot more expensive.
Add development costs for heat management, downsampling, readout optimisation, etc.
The video features are not for free, even if we see a basic video stream in the EVF or on the back screen all the time.
I would think a Z5ii and a Z50ii, if only for the USB-C reason, but also they are both in need of updates to remain competitive against Canon and, to a slightly lesser degree, Fuji (AF for the Z5 & Ibis/AF for the Z50).
I doubt we will ever see a mirrorless D500 replacement, Nikon are on too much of a roll with the Z8/9/6iii and their lens range to worry about that relatively niche market, and the potential cost of such a camera in 2024 doesn't make much business sense to me. I also suspect a big chunk of that potential market have already moved to FF with the Z8.
I doubt we will ever see a mirrorless D500 replacement, Nikon are on too much of a roll with the Z8/9/6iii and their lens range to worry about that relatively niche market, and the potential cost of such a camera in 2024 doesn't make much business sense to me. I also suspect a big chunk of that potential market have already moved to FF with the Z8.
MJ_Photo38
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Interesting, I thought a full new camera release would take about 3 years, and in teh cae of the Z6III, would have taken longer still. Maybe they wanted to wait until Expeed 7 was ready before starting on a Z6II replacement.
If a Z7III was happening, it would probably be the same sensor as the Z7II with Expeed 7 processing.
Making a partially stacked Z7III would increase the price to basically current Z8 levels... at which point it becomes useless to make another 45MP camera. I agree with Thom on that one.
Not sure about that. Sure, D500 users have been complaining about a lack of higher end APS-C camera for a while. But looking at the market right now, there is very little room for a $2000 APS-C body on the market. The only companies that are bothering with high-end $2000+ crop bodies are those that have an extensive lineup of glass to go along with it : Fujifilm, OM-System, Panasonic.
All the others are staying in the sub-1500 range : Sony A6700, Canon EOS R7... Which is in my opinion what Nikon should target as well. The R7, which is technically a mirrorless update to the 90D seemed to make a lot of former 7D2 owners happy. I think that Nikon, if they should release a mid-range APS-C body (since we already have the Z30 and Z50 filling in for the D3000 and D5000 line, let's call it the Z70 to be the D7500 replacement) would most likely target that 1500 USD pricepoint as well, while giving D500 owners what they want just the way Canon did with the R7.
I'm fine with a rumored Z70 having the same 20.9MP sensor as the D7500/D500/Z50, it's a pretty good sensor. If Nikon could make it partially stacked as well, it would be great, and a nice way to stick it to Canon, which have a fast shooting camera with the R7, but suffereing from rolling shutter in electronic shutter mode.
I think it's doable in this price range for sure, but only time will tell if that's what Nikon is going for. It should definitely have IBIS, weather sealing an dual card slots to pretend being a D500 successor. 14/15fps mechanical 20fps electronic sounds like the absolute minimum, as well as 4K60. 4K120 is not that important in this segment to be competitive : the R7 doesn't have it (only does 4K60 with a crop) and the A6700 does 4K120, at the price of a huge crop and heavy quality loss. Not super usable. I'd rather have HD240p, Fujifilm have had this in their cameras since 2018..
I don't know. Honestly, it could be a lot of things. A Nikon rangefinder design taking back the lines of the Nikon SP could be super great, but I doubt Nikon would go for it. They seem to really leverage their SLR heritage more.
Maybe they could do a Lumix S9 competitor? Like a full frame Z30 of sorts?
The Z50II could be it, but if it was, what would change? Body design? Sensor? Pricepoint? All of the above? Expeed 7 is a given, but I feel like for its target audience, the Z50 is already doing the job it was asked to do, same goes for the Zfc.
We'll see, but I'd bet on an entry level full frame, either rangefinder styled, or without viewfinder entirely : compact full frame cameras is a segment that has been growing a little for a few years, first with the Sony A7C series, then recently with the Lumix S9, I can see Nikon trying to take a step in there before Canon does.
very very dissapointing if nikon dont release a z7iii 60mp plus in my opinion thats what they need the z8 is ok but to big it would have been a perfect time for nikon as canon havent got a 60mp sony have but ergonomics i hate then you have medium format very sad day if this is true
MJ_Photo38
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Maybe I;m missing something... what can't you do with a 45MP camera that you can with a 60MP one?
the resolution is nearly the same. You can print a little bigger, but both cameras can already print ridiculously big, and I'd much ratehr have better dynamic range (which funny enough, both the Nikon 45.7MP and Sony older 43MP provide over the "newer" 61MP one).
I'd buy a 45MP camera. I really wouldn't bother with 60MP. I legitimately can't see the difference between both.
NIKON Z30 with its sleek compact design as a bargain. No viewfinder only disadvantage and some reports of over-heating. This design points the way forward? A top-mounted viewfinder attachment as accessory would make it an ideal APS-C camera especially with new DX lens 12-28mm F3,5 lens. NIKON APS-C optical rangefinder to fill the gap?
He makes a reasonable case about the available sensors. I have no special insights into marketing or manufacturing, but I have this little thought that perhaps a version of the Z7iii space could instead be well served by something built from a Zf base. Let's call it a Zfm. FWIW, here are my thought's about why it could be a good idea in either 61MP form, or with some newer high res sensor...
- Retro styling has now demonstrated some staying power with a segment of the camera buying audience.
- A slower paced "dials" camera would seem to fit with a lower frame rate, lower ISO sensitivity, higher resolution, higher base ISO DR focused camera.
- Mechanical shutter would be fine
- Such a camera may be less likely to need vertical grips, or emphasis on advanced video capabilities - of course it would cover some basics like 4K+ but might be something for people Ok with lower bit rates, line skipping, etc...
- 61MP is an off the shelf part, and you'd give up some of the goodies of Nikon's stacked 45MP like the dual data stream and fast read-out, but that sort of fits the Zf design as it is currently, or...
- if some greater resolution sensor is available, say one fabbed from a process for 80MP+ pixel pitch, even in "one-off" or first of kind form and doesn't have some of the speed or other features of advanced "stacked" designs, it likely doesn't matter in a camera aim more so at a slower or more deliberate pace of shooting...
Ryan Schwartz
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A bridge camera I kind of get with point and shoots become popular with the younger generation and the existing birder groups. Perhaps with a 1-inch or cramming an APS-C sensor in there to make it a compelling upgrade over existing P-series cameras.
Wouldn't mind a new Z 50, but again, I don't see the enthusiasm from Nikon over APS-C.
Ryan Schwartz
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For the Z7 III, do you take a Z6 III and put a 60 MP sensor in there and call it a day? Can't really take the tech from the Z8 and Z9 and put a larger MP sensor in there, otherwise it becomes the new flagship, no? I just don't know how a Z7 III works without cannibalizing what Nikon already has between the Z6 III, Z8, and Z9.
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