Did some research for dx Z mount UAW lenses, maybe
Viltrox 13mm f/1.4 2 | Thom Hogan (zsystemuser.com)
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Meike Manual Focus Lenses | Thom Hogan (zsystemuser.com)
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Future of Nikon Z APS- C Format Cameras ?
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Viltrox 13mm f/1.4 2 | Thom Hogan (zsystemuser.com)
or
Meike Manual Focus Lenses | Thom Hogan (zsystemuser.com)
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Thom Hogan wrote an interesting article about this subject : Does Anyone Have an APS-C Plan? | Sans Mirror | Thom Hogan
Nikon wants the Z dx users to step up into the fullframe world and provides the entrylevel Z5 and some affordable prime lenses to start.
The Z50/ZFc/Z30 and the Z dx lenses are after today still a good choice IMO. There are also 3thd party lenses available Third-Party Lenses | Thom Hogan (zsystemuser.com)
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The quantity of peanuts Nikon will throw at the DX crowd is unknown.
But recent history serms to show it is "not much".
I have heard that Nikon is planning a waterproof version of the Z50 (ie a fourth almost clone) as well as new colors for the Zfc (green with orange dots is s good bet). People slso mention a "for kids under 12" version (for the crowd who will buy a Z9 Mark III in the future
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If that involves putting the same number of pixels on a subjest with only negligible loss of image quality but losing a stop of light from your telephoto Nikon Z lens, then you might not have to wait for a new camera,
Nikon has the best lineup of telephoto lenses and 2 registered, yet unreleased, cameras in the queue.
With the 180-600 lens I'm hopeful that Nikon will go after the hobbyist wildlife shooter with an updated DX camera body.
Making money in photography is not easy, and it's difficult to justify the cheapest wildlife camera body currently available (Z8, refurbished at $3200 US).
I expect one of these two cameras to be an expeed 7 (8?) DX offering to pair with their fine lineup of telephoto lenses.
With the 180-600 lens I'm hopeful that Nikon will go after the hobbyist wildlife shooter with an updated DX camera body.
Making money in photography is not easy, and it's difficult to justify the cheapest wildlife camera body currently available (Z8, refurbished at $3200 US).
I expect one of these two cameras to be an expeed 7 (8?) DX offering to pair with their fine lineup of telephoto lenses.
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No one is saying apsc isn't viable. All we're saying is that we read what Nikon execs say in interviews, and see that they haven't put any really effort into their apsc lineup for years. Nikon isn't focused on apsc and smaller sensors while other brands are. If you want a smaller than FF sensor, be real about your options and look at making a switch.
Personally, I have no problem with Nikon's APS-C camera lineup. I am perfectly happy with my Zfc, and have a fair collection of APS-C DSLR's that I have been satisfied with for years, plus a 6' long drawer full of lenses for them. So as long as replacements for what I have are available, I'm good.
Why would one loose a stop of light? None of my APS-C lenses or cameras lose a stop of light anywhere in the process. A 2.8 lens used on any sensor size will require the exact same ISO and shutter speed combination for the exact same exposure or lightness in the photo.
You lose cleaner files of about a stop or so is probably what they are talking about.
You also lose a stop of DoF. So 2.8 looks more like f4.
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I bought my iPhone11 in 2020 here in Blighty so similar to USA. Buying a phone outright when you factor in cost of ownership made sense. I still use it but will need a 3rd battery fairly soon.
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I'm intrigued because your comment has made me question my understanding. Just to be clear, you are saying that if I take the same picture on an apsc body at 400mm and F5.6 and a full frame camera at 600mm at F5.6,, same megapixel count, same ISO, the final images when displayed side by side, the same size, will exhibit the same noise and depth of field?
That depends at lower iso ratings with modern equipment I see essentially no difference in noise in photos. At higher iso ratings there may be some difference in FF and APS-C cameras, but even then it is highly dependent on what brand and what model camera you are starting with. A 24mp FF compared to a 24mp APS-C should show an advantage in noise to the FF, but a 45mp FF compared to a 20mp APS-C shows little to no advantage. And with the ability of todays equipment and processing to handle high iso ratings, the value of lesser noise is highly overrated. In your example, the dof will change as the 400mm 5.6 will have deeper dof than the 600mm 5.6 as long as distance to the subject is the same, but that's personal preference whether that's good or bad.
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so presumably 12MP on MFT, 6.2MP on 1inch sensors would also produce a picture with the same noise levels as the 45MP full frame camera?
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you say Nikon, I say Nikon. You say Z, I say Z. Nikon, Nikon, Z, Z, Lets call the whole thing off.
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It does work that way given the general same size MP/same general tech. The sensor is ~2.5x bigger and gathers more total light across the frame.
Maybe on a perfect day you won't see much, but even low ISO shots should have less noise when pushed.
The DR difference is there as well.
The sensor in the Zfc is not as malleable as the one in the Zf, nor is it as capable in low light situations.
This is pretty easily noticeable if editing landscapes or portraits, recovering shadow detail, etc.
The difference is easy to see to me and worth shooting FF, but if it is not noticeable to you, it isn't noticeable to you.
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Nikita66
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Thanks, I'm aware. I just don't have a body I'm comfortable with (camera body, that is.
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There is almost a consensus one should not expect any teaser, inexpensive (LOW profit) Z DX bodies nor Z DX 'pro or "pro ish" body and lenses.
Yet No one seems to pay any mind to my commenting around my opinion that unless there is a future path for upgraded Z DX. Nikon should give notice known it will close out all Z DX. Maybe a generous trade in toward a Z FF. And close out all F mount DSLR and lenses. Nikon could or should be the first full line (all levels), all FF mirrorless. There Would be lots of DX DSLR and Z stuff then, for those who hold on.
Too bad there are some tempting 3rd party lenses for Z DX.
When it is more clear whether or not such a better Z DX will exist, I will either trade in my (2) F mount DX bodies toward that new Z DX (+ another FTZii) or a the DX bodies and lenses toward another (besides Zf) Z FF body or lens.
Yet No one seems to pay any mind to my commenting around my opinion that unless there is a future path for upgraded Z DX. Nikon should give notice known it will close out all Z DX. Maybe a generous trade in toward a Z FF. And close out all F mount DSLR and lenses. Nikon could or should be the first full line (all levels), all FF mirrorless. There Would be lots of DX DSLR and Z stuff then, for those who hold on.
Too bad there are some tempting 3rd party lenses for Z DX.
When it is more clear whether or not such a better Z DX will exist, I will either trade in my (2) F mount DX bodies toward that new Z DX (+ another FTZii) or a the DX bodies and lenses toward another (besides Zf) Z FF body or lens.
I disagree. The Zfc and Z30 are sideways tweaks at best to serve separate markets. I don’t see how anyone can claim they are significant updates with any intellectual honesty. Thom Hogan even refers to them as Nikon’s DX “triplets” :-|
A true update to the Z50 in my opinion requires new technological additions. A Z50ii with IBIS and Expeed7 would even be a minimal update, but a true update.
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