fired mine up yesterday, its such cool "little" thin, is it still relevant , mft hasn't really increased mp, why would people pay more for a non probuild supercamera, sad to see its discontinued, I don't think there will be another
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M1X such cool camera, would u buy new? is it still relevant
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James Stirling
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It is not for me but the current used prices make for a fantastic buy if the camera suits your needs. There are " good" rated bodies as low as £520 given the camera launched at £2700 here in the UK . I think the used prices reflect the low demand for this model. If I was using this camera I would be snapping up a back up used body. It is a heck of a lot of camera for not a lot of cash
MPB has 30 of them available ranging from as low as £519 for a just good model to £619 for a like new model
https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/product/olympus-om-d-e-m1x?page=4
There are a number of niche models that have some dedicated fans . The GX8 in my case with models like the Pen F , GM5 etc having their fans unfortunately despite our individual enthusiasm for these products the lack of follow on models , clearly suggests that the makers do not see a successful market for any of them :-(
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It's a great camera if you need to wear gloves. Since I stopped doing winter sports/wildlife to any extent, its drawbacks exceeded its advantages.
1. Too big for most lenses. Looks absolutely silly with an f/1.8 prime lens attached.
2. Not updated with improved UI features of E-M1iii, especially the custom settings changes.
I updated from both of these cameras to a pair of OM-1s.
I would buy a new version of the Em1X_ if it had the Om1 II specs, EVF, menu system, image Chip, and processor.
Woody Meristem
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It is indeed a great camera, if you have any doubts just look at Thomas Stirr's photographs -- https://smallsensorphotography.com/smaller-birds-at-1200-mm-efov#more-41701
But the body's too big and heavy for me and I think its counter to much of the rationale for MFT, as is the new OMD 150-600mm lens which is really good but is also big and heavy.
But the body's too big and heavy for me and I think its counter to much of the rationale for MFT, as is the new OMD 150-600mm lens which is really good but is also big and heavy.
Skeeterbytes
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It debuted a massive and game-changing set of features that elevated the entire format. Luckily they have migrated to the OM-1 series now, and we all get to participate.
It's still physically the best home for large tele lenses, as no body+grip combo is as comfortable, seamless, solid.
Would I consider an OM series update that offered some unique new features? I would, and I would feel obligated if I owned the 150-600 or 150-400. My kit sadly lacks either so I'm not presently in danger here.
I would still enjoy it if I owned one. Still shoot the E-M1iii, its little brother.
Cheers,
Rick
It's still physically the best home for large tele lenses, as no body+grip combo is as comfortable, seamless, solid.
Would I consider an OM series update that offered some unique new features? I would, and I would feel obligated if I owned the 150-600 or 150-400. My kit sadly lacks either so I'm not presently in danger here.
I would still enjoy it if I owned one. Still shoot the E-M1iii, its little brother.
Cheers,
Rick
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James Stirling
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Thomas Stirr is a very talented shooter he also produced some excellent work with the Nikon 1 system before they canned it
James Stirling
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The problem is how few others would , for most m43 users who bemoan even tiny differences in size and weight as the end of the world. How many many would opt for such a model over the OM-1 sized body which are already feature packed
Just as with the other "niche" models in the system with a sadly too small cadre of dedicated fans { Pen F , GX8 , GM5 etc } . I think that the very significant drop from new for used E-M1X models strongly suggests that it does not hold wide enough appeal. I am in the same boat I would buy a genuinely updated GX8 the day it was announced, which alas I feel will be the day after Scotland win the world cup
. I don't think OM systems are likely to risk such low demand productsLook at its used prices compared to models which cost far less when launched even my plastic bottomed E-M5III holds its price better and both came out in 2019
https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/category/...-cameras/olympus-om-system-mirrorless-cameras
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James Stirling
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It is big and heavy compared to every other m43 camera including the OM-1 models and the much maligned G9II { which despite being nearly identical in size and weight to the mk 1 } is apparently huge . It is larger than high end FF models such as the Z8 and A9III , A1 and every APS sensor camera on the market . The built in battery grip is more of a disadvantage to the majority of m43 users, the better models have add on battery grips if you have some odd use for such . Given batteries are small , light and quick to change a permanent grip only appeals to a small user base. Hence its used prices . The E-M1x used a lot of existing older parts and still dropped in at £2700 . An updated one with all the latest bells and whistles in a declining market { by volume } what would such a beast need to be priced at
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2ndact scene1
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Camera bodies too large = E-M1x
Camera bodies too small = GM1, GM5
Camera bodies too complex for their own good =GX8, Pen-F
The M4/3 is actually blessed with different shapes, sizes & types unlike most other manufacturers where one type in many series and price points suits all and there is no thinking outside the box types for us to worry about updating. Only Series I to Series 5 to always have something missing from the previous series to make an update of the same thing worth the expense.
Think of it the things that made the E-M1, GM1, GM5, GX8, Pen-F that made them worth having are still there today. Supply and demand regulates the resource rent of the vendor (loss of paid value). Whatever made them great when first bought has not gone away as long as they are in good condition.
The E-M1x bargain price contrasts with a premium prices commanded by a GM5 or Pen-F and belies the issues of fear of missing out on current technology.
The path of the ardent GM5 user (for example)
At release - costs far too much - don't buy!
A year or so later - a curiosity to buy and learn to love at a lower price that everyone could afford. Wait for the fire sale? That did not come.
Realisation that it was not going to updated, groans ...
Acceptance that the original still works as well as it did when first released and remain delighted
The E-M1x is the same but a huge bargain for those that feel that they could put one to good use. There are other larger camera bodies if only you did not already have so many M4/3 lenses.
The GM5 and Pen-F are expensive but unique if you like the idea of that sort of thing.
Camera bodies too small = GM1, GM5
Camera bodies too complex for their own good =GX8, Pen-F
The M4/3 is actually blessed with different shapes, sizes & types unlike most other manufacturers where one type in many series and price points suits all and there is no thinking outside the box types for us to worry about updating. Only Series I to Series 5 to always have something missing from the previous series to make an update of the same thing worth the expense.
Think of it the things that made the E-M1, GM1, GM5, GX8, Pen-F that made them worth having are still there today. Supply and demand regulates the resource rent of the vendor (loss of paid value). Whatever made them great when first bought has not gone away as long as they are in good condition.
The E-M1x bargain price contrasts with a premium prices commanded by a GM5 or Pen-F and belies the issues of fear of missing out on current technology.
The path of the ardent GM5 user (for example)
At release - costs far too much - don't buy!
A year or so later - a curiosity to buy and learn to love at a lower price that everyone could afford. Wait for the fire sale? That did not come.
Realisation that it was not going to updated, groans ...
Acceptance that the original still works as well as it did when first released and remain delighted
The E-M1x is the same but a huge bargain for those that feel that they could put one to good use. There are other larger camera bodies if only you did not already have so many M4/3 lenses.
The GM5 and Pen-F are expensive but unique if you like the idea of that sort of thing.
James Stirling
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It takes seconds to swap a battery and almost every higher grade model offers add on grips if needed the built-in grip forces your hand. Even the lowest end FF mirrorless cameras can take several hundred shots on one battery. I speak as someone who due to their performance features at the time used D3s and D3x cameras for event shooting but if I was still doing weddings and the like I would not be looking at such models . I started out using MF film for weddings try that if you think modern cameras can't get buy on one battery
Shooting the OM-1 etc in a portrait orientation is hardly a hardship but we all have our favourite ways of doing things . I would always choose the option of a removable grip if I needed to shoot thousands of images { god forbid
}The lenses are smaller because they do less { less DOF/subject isolation , and total light gathering } there is no free lunch. If and it is a big IF you can find lenses that are honestly doing the same job the size difference evaporates and the price seldom if ever favours m43
Of course the camera is more than capable of great results . I don't have an e-m1x so have no experience of its menu. I have the E-M5III and OM-1 the menu on the OM-1 is much improved to my tastes at least . Though I do prefer Panasonic's way of doing things and would have went with the G9II if it had been around at the same time as the OM-1
As I say if the E-M1X is to your liking its used prices are a fantastic bargain and given its durability would last for years
As a rule I do prefer the larger sized cameras { perhaps not E-M1x large
} those who desire small high performance bodies are getting left out at least at the moment. Pansonics marketing messed up with the G100 promoting it at the vlogging market who invariably want IBIS and tend to favour smaller wide primes which lack in lens stabilisation. It is a good buy and as a long term Pany user I have a good selection of lenses with OIS and the G100 does appeal--
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jjbinx
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This lineup ^^ seems ‘wrong’ to meIt is big and heavy compared to every other m43 camera including the OM-1 models and the much maligned G9II { which despite being nearly identical in size and weight to the mk 1 } is apparently huge . It is larger than high end FF models such as the Z8 and A9III , A1 and every APS sensor camera on the market . The built in battery grip is more of a disadvantage to the majority of m43 users, the better models have add on battery grips if you have some odd use for such . Given batteries are small , light and quick to change a permanent grip only appeals to a small user base. Hence its used prices . The E-M1x used a lot of existing older parts and still dropped in at £2700 . An updated one with all the latest bells and whistles in a declining market { by volume } what would such a beast need to be priced at
with the big lenses I like to use my preference would be for a Z9 or R3 sized body or a body with a battery grip attached and in that company the X looks about just right.
jj
I always had battery packs on my Canon dslr bodies whilst smarting at the fact that they were always designed to fit a particular model and were not camera body upgradable. Also a useful profit centre for Canon in their own right (over-priced).
Battery packs were a belt and braces security as a battery packed dslr body was usually good for 800-900 images. On the other hand in a theatre shoot with a dslr and big lens on a heavy tripod in the low light of a darkened theatre with a live dress rehearseI in full song I was not that keen on having to suddenly run out of battery power.
Small cameras without battery pack and relatively low capture number capability were easily enough satisfied by a (pocketable) small bag of spare batteries easier switched over in seconds where no tripod was involved. Also helped by spreading the capture load over multiple camera bodies. Best even if one battery type suits all (heaven).
M4/3 has revisited my needs with generally smaller gear and less reliance on tripods. After the final switch to ML bodies going back to the clunky interface of the Canon 5Ds is like a trip in time back to the dark ages.
My early adopter purchase of the G9 came with a free battery pack but after trying it for a while it was shelved.
Obviously we all use the gear that serves our best purposes. I just think myself that I have moved away from dual batteries as much as I wonder on the need for dual card slots other than to sell more storage cards that may never be used. Just buy a larger capacity card?
The G100 is an excellent support camera body. I has the regular Panasonic menu system and interface familiar over multiple models and, of course, the well organised touch screen interface. It will also be capable of using your other M4/3 mount lenses so don't restrict it to one specialised lens - it might be surprising just what this simple, more compact, camera body can do.
Oh ... and the S1 that I use from time to time is as large as a dslr body but not so deep and lighter. It does not worry me for specialist assignments - I have plenty of more compact bodies when I need them.
Battery packs were a belt and braces security as a battery packed dslr body was usually good for 800-900 images. On the other hand in a theatre shoot with a dslr and big lens on a heavy tripod in the low light of a darkened theatre with a live dress rehearseI in full song I was not that keen on having to suddenly run out of battery power.
Small cameras without battery pack and relatively low capture number capability were easily enough satisfied by a (pocketable) small bag of spare batteries easier switched over in seconds where no tripod was involved. Also helped by spreading the capture load over multiple camera bodies. Best even if one battery type suits all (heaven).
M4/3 has revisited my needs with generally smaller gear and less reliance on tripods. After the final switch to ML bodies going back to the clunky interface of the Canon 5Ds is like a trip in time back to the dark ages.
My early adopter purchase of the G9 came with a free battery pack but after trying it for a while it was shelved.
Obviously we all use the gear that serves our best purposes. I just think myself that I have moved away from dual batteries as much as I wonder on the need for dual card slots other than to sell more storage cards that may never be used. Just buy a larger capacity card?
The G100 is an excellent support camera body. I has the regular Panasonic menu system and interface familiar over multiple models and, of course, the well organised touch screen interface. It will also be capable of using your other M4/3 mount lenses so don't restrict it to one specialised lens - it might be surprising just what this simple, more compact, camera body can do.
Oh ... and the S1 that I use from time to time is as large as a dslr body but not so deep and lighter. It does not worry me for specialist assignments - I have plenty of more compact bodies when I need them.
Bobapingu
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Cool it is indeed, but I fail to see the point of a fixed battery grip when removable grips are readily available. All I can think of is that Oly wanted to make a big splash into the professional long lens wildlife genre. It was a bit of a fizzer since it was well on the way to that already.
2ndact scene1
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Batteries always die at the worst moment and finding the replacement battery and doing the swap can take a minute or more, especially in the dark. And you have to make sure you don't mix up a spent battery for a fresh one. Action doesn't stop just becuase your battery died after 300 shots. I much prefer the integrated solution. And changing film? well that is a completely different experience.It takes seconds to swap a battery and almost every higher grade model offers add on grips if needed the built-in grip forces your hand. Even the lowest end FF mirrorless cameras can take several hundred shots on one battery. I speak as someone who due to their performance features at the time used D3s and D3x cameras for event shooting but if I was still doing weddings and the like I would not be looking at such models . I started out using MF film for weddings try that if you think modern cameras can't get buy on one battery
I don't have a camera with removable grip - I have two cameras, one with a permanent grip and one without. I always use them together. So, there are always options.Shooting the OM-1 etc in a portrait orientation is hardly a hardship but we all have our favourite ways of doing things . I would always choose the option of a removable grip if I needed to shoot thousands of images { god forbid
Occasionally, I do long events with lots of things going on. 3,000 images for a four hour + dance showcase is the most I have ever done in one night. That took FOREVER to process. But if I had already switched to Olympus when I did that shoot, I think the total shot count would have been less (the mirrorless WYSIWYG advantage) and there would be fewer shots with missed focus. Plus the current zoom lens ranges would have been more efficient than what I had then.
I had this conversation with fellow club member who is deep into the Nikon Z system. He started to tell me that I have a two stop disadvantage with M4/3 system but I stopped him and said from my point of view, full frame has a 2 stop DOF disadvantage. I can shoot my Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 at f/2.8 most of the time and not have to worry about getting my subjects (almost always plural) in focus with enough DOF. Full frame requires at least f/4 and often f/5.6 to do that. That is specific to what I do. This is not about shooting fashion models in a studio, which is an entirely different use case and not what I do.
I have heard that the OM-1 menus have been reorganized and improved. It's a pity that they could not make that backward compatible. I have also owned Lumix cameras before and certain aspects of their menus are definitely easier to use, autofocus options in particular.
Agreed.
I think the G100 will work notwithstanding the lack of IBIS. I never owned a Canon camera with IBIS though my workhorse EF 28mm f/2.8 had OIS. In event photography, IBIS is irrelevant 95% of the time (becuase people are always moving). I assume the G100 will also be my minimalistic travel camera. Maybe one lens with OIS will be sufficient.As a rule I do prefer the larger sized cameras { perhaps not E-M1x large
James, thanks for the response.
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jjbinx
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And yet Olympus was able to deliver features with the X such as Subject ID AF that it couldn’t do with the next camera, the E-M1 Mark III and Olympus users who were doing bird photography had to wait a few more years to get Bird ID AF in a small form body.
jj
My 16 yo son just got an EM1X with only 3000 on the shutter count (less than 1% of its rated shutter) from a Japanese seller, its practically brand new for $1000 US including AU import taxes
He has taken to photogrpahy in a big way after I gifted him my old Nikon D700 and a couple of lenses. I gave him one of my Em5 mark ii's and a few primes to "try" (I wont be getting it back). despite preferring the handling of the D700 (he dwarfs me) he basically stopped using it after getting the Em5.
I let him have a go on my EM1 markiii one day and the D700 went straight to eBay. The intention was to get a EM1 mark iii. Then we started seeing mint EM1X's with used prices on par with the Markiii. After handling a used EM1x at a local camera store he was sold. He saw the benfits of the grip immediately especially as he likes to shoot in portrait orientation.
It is such a fantastic handling camera and the ergonomics make it feel much lighter than it is. Far better than the D700. It is still a small camera in actual use considering the built in grip. A little large for my preference, but its not a reason to dismiss the camera IMO. I just feel my Em1.3 and OM-1 are perfect in size.
The build quality is impecable right down to the twist latch on the memory card door. The handling is not just for big tele lenses either. The stability and handling is still nice with primes and its perfectly balanced with something like the Sigma 30mm 1.4.
Overall this seems like the best bang for buck in M43 atm. Although thats due to it appeal being limited to a smaller audience. I think many might change their mind if they actually held the camera, its smaller and lighter than it looks.
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its built so well and for such a good price why would you buy bicycle if you can buy a tank, its so solid, if you needed a camera to survive the apocalypse, pro build weather sealed, do the newer mft offerings really offer much more than the cheap indestructible predecessor? designed so the regular and portrait orientation the buttons are same distances apart. plus included 2 batteries and 2 chargers!
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