Just ordered a ZV-1...oh well

Found a nice package on ebay for 400 euros delivered, boxed camera and the sony GP-VPT2BT monopod or whatever it is.

I'm sure the camera itself is nice and i'm looking forward to posting a brief review here once i have it in my hands, but lately i've been questioning the value i'm getting with these cameras.

The ZV-1 will replace a now sold rx100 M7 and a rx100 M1 which is acting up(freezes, purple lines on screen, doesn't take pictures).

Now i sold the M7 because f2.8 doesn't work on these cameras, the images are too grainy. I would have preferred getting an older M4 or M5 but these cameras are sooo expensive it's just crazy.

My other alternative would have been an Olympus EPL9 or a M10 III or even something like a Sony a6600. All solid cameras, but somewhat bulky when paired with a lens and the lenses themselves are pretty expensive. An olympus 12-40mm f2.8 is 700 euros new or 500 used, that's an awful lot of money for someone taking pictures of family and friends.

The ZV-1 has a lot going for it, it's tiny, has a fast sharp lens, shoots good quality 4K video with better than average on board mikes and has a simplified plastic case which should in theory be better than the soft metal case on the rx100 versions, which never really inspired confidence.

Of course, the ZV-1 comes with the latest AF features, as seen on the M5a and the M7, including animal eye detect. So it's going to be fast.

On the down side, we have average jpeg color, low battery life and questionable durability.

Obviously, these cameras are not built to the same standards as an ILC camera, but i am drawn by the small size and excellent optics, i did tests and i know for a fact that the 24-70mm lens coupled to the 20 megapixel sensor outperforms the sony 16-50 e mount lens and the olympus 14-42(both versions) kit lens. The retractable 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 is the main reason why i choose the ZV-1 over all the others, it's small, fast and sharp, what more can you ask from a lens really?

I know the ZV-1 has never been popular on the forum because it was marketed as a "vlogger camera" but i never vlogged and that's not why i ordered it. To me it's basically a M5a for 200 euros less, i don't care for the flash, the EVF and the mode dial, the way i use them is to set the mode to Program, set WB and let the camera take the shot. Fiddling with the menus is unpleasant because the buttons are tiny, but it's a pocket camera.

In some ways the ZV-1 reminds me of my first cybershot camera, the dsc-s600. A barebones model which didn't even have a mode dial. But i always carried it with me and took lots of memorable images and video clips. I think that's the whole point behind these cameras, making memories and having fun, they're not "serious" cameras. But very capable for what they are.

Anyway, i should come back with a real review, since it's not a good ideea to review a camera without actually holding it in my hands. Who knows, maybe the ZV-1 will surprise me. Hopefully, in a good way.

As for the Sony GP-VPT2BT stick thingy, i have no ideea if it's any use, but i know i can use it as a mini tripod, it came with the camera so i don't mind checking it out.

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Found a nice package on ebay for 400 euros delivered, boxed camera and the sony GP-VPT2BT monopod or whatever it is.

I'm sure the camera itself is nice and i'm looking forward to posting a brief review here once i have it in my hands, but lately i've been questioning the value i'm getting with these cameras.

The ZV-1 will replace a now sold rx100 M7 and a rx100 M1 which is acting up(freezes, purple lines on screen, doesn't take pictures).

Now i sold the M7 because f2.8 doesn't work on these cameras, the images are too grainy.

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In what way? I often shoot at f/2.8 without problems. I have an early, well-used M6, and recently bought a new M7 before they go out of production.

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I would have preferred getting an older M4 or M5 but these cameras are sooo expensive it's just crazy.

My other alternative would have been an Olympus EPL9 or a M10 III or even something like a Sony a6600. All solid cameras, but somewhat bulky when paired with a lens and the lenses themselves are pretty expensive. An olympus 12-40mm f2.8 is 700 euros new or 500 used, that's an awful lot of money for someone taking pictures of family and friends.

The ZV-1 has a lot going for it, it's tiny, has a fast sharp lens, shoots good quality 4K video with better than average on board mikes and has a simplified plastic case which should in theory be better than the soft metal case on the rx100 versions, which never really inspired confidence.

Of course, the ZV-1 comes with the latest AF features, as seen on the M5a and the M7, including animal eye detect. So it's going to be fast.

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It doesn't have the latest AF features. Its sensor and basic software is from the RX100M6, which came out six years ago. I've just bought an A7CR, which really does have the latest everything, and it's a very different AF system (as well as a much improved UI).

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On the down side, we have average jpeg color, low battery life and questionable durability.

Obviously, these cameras are not built to the same standards as an ILC camera, but i am drawn by the small size and excellent optics, i did tests and i know for a fact that the 24-70mm lens coupled to the 20 megapixel sensor outperforms the sony 16-50 e mount lens and the olympus 14-42(both versions) kit lens. The retractable 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 is the main reason why i choose the ZV-1 over all the others, it's small, fast and sharp, what more can you ask from a lens really?

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I know the ZV-1 has never been popular on the forum because it was marketed as a "vlogger camera" but i never vlogged and that's not why i ordered it.

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I think the reason it's unpopular here is because the fixed lens ZV cameras have supplanted the RX cameras. Many here were hoping for an RX100M8 and/or an RX10M4, and don't see the ZV cameras as a substitute.

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To me it's basically a M5a for 200 euros less, i don't care for the flash, the EVF and the mode dial, the way i use them is to set the mode to Program, set WB and let the camera take the shot. Fiddling with the menus is unpleasant because the buttons are tiny, but it's a pocket camera.

In some ways the ZV-1 reminds me of my first cybershot camera, the dsc-s600. A barebones model which didn't even have a mode dial. But i always carried it with me and took lots of memorable images and video clips. I think that's the whole point behind these cameras, making memories and having fun, they're not "serious" cameras. But very capable for what they are.

Anyway, i should come back with a real review, since it's not a good ideea to review a camera without actually holding it in my hands. Who knows, maybe the ZV-1 will surprise me. Hopefully, in a good way.

As for the Sony GP-VPT2BT stick thingy, i have no ideea if it's any use, but i know i can use it as a mini tripod, it came with the camera so i don't mind checking it out.

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Found a nice package on ebay for 400 euros.

i've been questioning the value i'm getting with these cameras.

The ZV-1 will replace a now sold rx100 M7 and a rx100 M1 which is acting up(freezes, purple lines on screen, doesn't take pictures).

Now i sold the M7 because f2.8 doesn't work on these cameras, the images are too grainy. I would have preferred getting an older M4 or M5 but these cameras are sooo expensive it's just crazy.

My other alternative an Olympus EPL9 or a M10 III or even something like a Sony a6600. All solid cameras, but somewhat bulky when paired with a lens and the lenses themselves are pretty expensive. An olympus 12-40mm f2.8 is 700 euros new or 500 used, that's an awful lot of money for someone taking pictures of family and friends.

The ZV-1 has a lot going for it, it's tiny, has a fast sharp lens, shoots good quality 4K video with better than average on board mikes and has a simplified plastic case which should in theory be better than the soft metal case on the rx100 versions, which never really inspired confidence.

Of course, the ZV-1 comes with the latest AF features, as seen on the M5a and the M7, including animal eye detect. So it's going to be fast.

On the down side, we have average jpeg color, low battery life and questionable durability.

Obviously, these cameras are not built to the same standards as an ILC camera, but i am drawn by the small size and excellent optics, i did tests and i know for a fact that the 24-70mm lens coupled to the 20 megapixel sensor outperforms the sony 16-50 e mount lens and the olympus 14-42(both versions) kit lens. The retractable 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 is the main reason why i choose the ZV-1 over all the others, it's small, fast and sharp, what more can you ask from a lens really?

I know the ZV-1 has never been popular on the forum because it was marketed as a "vlogger camera" but i never vlogged and that's not why i ordered it. To me it's basically a M5a for 200 euros less, i don't care for the flash, the EVF and the mode dial, the way i use them is to set the mode to Program, set WB and let the camera take the shot. Fiddling with the menus is unpleasant because the buttons are tiny, but it's a pocket camera.

In some ways the ZV-1 reminds me of my first cybershot camera, the dsc-s600. A barebones model which didn't even have a mode dial. But i always carried it with me and took lots of memorable images and video clips. I think that's the whole point behind these cameras, making memories and having fun, they're not "serious" cameras. But very capable for what they are.

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I think you jumped the gun selling the M7.

There's second hand cams or even brand new if you find them.

All cams have P mode. with all type of sensors in it

Panasonic LX100 I and II

Canon G1X and G5X , I II and whatnot

Panasonic TZs, ZSs

Sony A6xxx, cybershot WXs, HXs, even second hand RXs

Nikon 1s, Nikon Coolpix A.

Those Vloggers cams will offer the same as the ones i mentioned but they are more oriented to movies instead of pictures, according to you, you will not use them outside P mode, the "waste" will be the same.

Going from 200mm back to 70/74 mm it will be hard, that's the main reason i never got a RX, the MKII would be nice but they don't have EVF, and the ones that have it, the focal length it's too small even MK7 and MK6. ( I have 720mm with an EVF, smaller sensor ).

Making clips ( short movies) will be easier. Normally the shutter speed is slower in that mode, it's a continuous exposure instead of a exposition of fraction of seconds ( capturing family stuff indoors e.g.) things will come out better, but practically all cams do that too.

Your M7 had P mode and P+ mode, RX it is the point of reference of an entire segment.

I just remembered another.

Panasonic LX 10 or 15 or whatever, 1.4 lens, no EVF and when came out ( around RX III or RXIV ) it was half the price, new.

Panasonic GM1 or GM5...

Digital Nigel said:

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Now i sold the M7 because f2.8 doesn't work on these cameras, the images are too grainy.

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In what way? I often shoot at f/2.8 without problems.

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Indoors or during the night, f2.8 means iso 1600 and above, f1.8 means iso 1000 or less. It matters. Less grain, less smoothing.

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It doesn't have the latest AF features. Its sensor and basic software is from the RX100M6, which came out six years ago.

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Doesn't matter when it came out, it's the last version available for these cameras. And it's not identical to the M6, the ZV-1 has pet eye detect and eye tracking for both people and animals. I've used the feature on the M7, the M6 doesn't have it. When it works, it works well. More info after I receive the camera and test it.

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On the down side, we have average jpeg color, low battery life and questionable durability.

Obviously, these cameras are not built to the same standards as an ILC camera, but i am drawn by the small size and excellent optics, i did tests and i know for a fact that the 24-70mm lens coupled to the 20 megapixel sensor outperforms the sony 16-50 e mount lens and the olympus 14-42(both versions) kit lens. The retractable 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 is the main reason why i choose the ZV-1 over all the others, it's small, fast and sharp, what more can you ask from a lens really?

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To me personally, f1.8 is more important at the moment. Also, 200mm is not enough for a tele lens, the 30X optical zoom available on the HX cameras, now that's a completely different ball game. Very decent cameras, i regret selling my HX60, it's a fun camera to have.

Digital Nigel said:

Digital Nigel said:

I know the ZV-1 has never been popular on the forum because it was marketed as a "vlogger camera" but i never vlogged and that's not why i ordered it.

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I think the reason it's unpopular here is because the fixed lens ZV cameras have supplanted the RX cameras. Many here were hoping for an RX100M8 and/or an RX10M4, and don't see the ZV cameras as a substitute.

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We should be happy sony still makes cybershot cameras. Some time in the next 5 years years they will stop doing that, and then what?

To match the sharpness of the RX cameras you need a sony G lens, and how much do those cost, $1000 each? Not to mention the size difference.

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Digital Nigel said:

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Now i sold the M7 because f2.8 doesn't work on these cameras, the images are too grainy.

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In what way? I often shoot at f/2.8 without problems.

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Indoors or during the night, f2.8 means iso 1600 and above, f1.8 means iso 1000 or less. It matters. Less grain, less smoothing.

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I shoot raw, and ISO1600 is fine. No noise, plenty of detail. ISO3200 is also usable, and even ISO6400 at a stretch, but you do lose detail at over ISO1600.

**** Dastardly said:

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It doesn't have the latest AF features. Its sensor and basic software is from the RX100M6, which came out six years ago.

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Doesn't matter when it came out, it's the last version available for these cameras. And it's not identical to the M6, the ZV-1 has pet eye detect and eye tracking for both people and animals. I've used the feature on the M7, the M6 doesn't have it. When it works, it works well. More info after I receive the camera and test it.

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It's the sensor from the M6, but the software updated to the M7 level.

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On the down side, we have average jpeg color, low battery life and questionable durability.

Obviously, these cameras are not built to the same standards as an ILC camera, but i am drawn by the small size and excellent optics, i did tests and i know for a fact that the 24-70mm lens coupled to the 20 megapixel sensor outperforms the sony 16-50 e mount lens and the olympus 14-42(both versions) kit lens. The retractable 24-70mm f1.8-2.8 is the main reason why i choose the ZV-1 over all the others, it's small, fast and sharp, what more can you ask from a lens really?

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More zoom.

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To me personally, f1.8 is more important at the moment. Also, 200mm is not enough for a tele lens, the 30X optical zoom available on the HX cameras, now that's a completely different ball game. Very decent cameras, i regret selling my HX60, it's a fun camera to have.

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Tiny sensor.

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I know the ZV-1 has never been popular on the forum because it was marketed as a "vlogger camera" but i never vlogged and that's not why i ordered it.

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I think the reason it's unpopular here is because the fixed lens ZV cameras have supplanted the RX cameras. Many here were hoping for an RX100M8 and/or an RX10M4, and don't see the ZV cameras as a substitute.

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We should be happy sony still makes cybershot cameras. Some time in the next 5 years years they will stop doing that, and then what?

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Unfortunately, production of the remaining Cyber-shot cameras will probably cease this year. Sony would like light users to switch to Xperia phones, and keen users to E-mount cameras.

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To match the sharpness of the RX cameras you need a sony G lens, and how much do those cost, $1000 each? Not to mention the size difference.

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Sure, E-mount lenses are much larger. For example, I've just bought a FE 20-70 G lens, which is compact and light for a FF lens, but huge compared to an RX100.

Of course, I can shoot 60mp images in near darkness, at ISO20000.

I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. Much better ergonomics. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

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I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

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Production of the M1 ceased years ago, so how would you buy a brand new one?

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Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

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The TZ100 also lacks PDAF, has a fixed rear screen and a pinhole EVF. It's why I upgraded to an RX100M6, which is better in every way, especially the lens.

Digital Nigel said:

**** Dastardly said:

I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

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Production of the M1 ceased years ago, so how would you buy a brand new one?

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I see them on the gray market, dunno where they came from or how old they are. They cost around $280, but a couple years ago they could be had for $200. So prices have been increasing.

Digital Nigel said:

Digital Nigel said:

Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

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The TZ100 also lacks PDAF, has a fixed rear screen and a pinhole EVF. It's why I upgraded to an RX100M6, which is better in every way, especially the lens.

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I paid 250 euros for a brand new tz100 and 850 euros for a brand new M7, the Sony isn't 3 times better at taking pictures. The sony has a sharper lens, that's why i bought it but it's really not worth it, even basic things like AWB are superior on the panasonic. The smart person would buy the Panasonic every time....unless they're rich and careless.

Anyway, 2024 is a bad year for buying cameras, prices have gone up considerably for the exact same old cameras that were available for cheap 3 years ago. Doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm going to be honest, i'm not sure what's the perfect camera anymore.

The 1 inch sensor compacts from sony came close, they are tiny and shoot at iso 3200 at f1.8 with IS and produce very clear and detailed images. No tripod needed. Video quality is also outstanding, best i've seen personally.

Better cameras cost a lot more and are bulkier. They also attract more attention.

I can order a ZV-1 knowing the camera will get plenty of use even without trying it first, because I am familiar with their technology and can slip them easily inside my pocket every time i leave the house. They are easy to use too, just point and shoot.

So yeah, the best camera is the one you use most. I'm a lazy person and so i find myself reaching out to my phone when taking casual images, but the IQ is average at best. The pocket camera is still a better tool for this job, even a Sony HX60 with its tiny sensor.

Pocket cameras are like swiss knives, they don't do anything perfect but you'il wish you had one when you need it.

So it's better to have a ZV-1 than not have it....

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Digital Nigel said:

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I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

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Production of the M1 ceased years ago, so how would you buy a brand new one?

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I see them on the gray market, dunno where they came from or how old they are. They cost around $280, but a couple years ago they could be had for $200. So prices have been increasing.

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Those prices are probably not for new cameras. The camera cost much more than that when it was still in production. I bought mine in 2012, when it was a real breakthrough.

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Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

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Panasonic used the RX100M2 sensor in its Type 1 cameras (all discontinued now, I think).

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The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

The TZ100 also lacks PDAF, has a fixed rear screen and a pinhole EVF. It's why I upgraded to an RX100M6, which is better in every way, especially the lens.

I paid 250 euros for a brand new tz100 and 850 euros for a brand new M7, the Sony isn't 3 times better at taking pictures.

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That sounds like a very low price for a TZ100. I'm sure I paid a lot more than that. But, yes, RX100s always cost significantly more. However, they're still better value for money.

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The sony has a sharper lens, that's why i bought it but it's really not worth it, even basic things like AWB are superior on the panasonic. The smart person would buy the Panasonic every time....unless they're rich and careless.

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I own both, and never once used the TZ100 after I got the RX100M6, which is better in every way. I reckon the disappointing TZ100 was my worst camera buy, ever.

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Anyway, 2024 is a bad year for buying cameras, prices have gone up considerably for the exact same old cameras that were available for cheap 3 years ago. Doesn't make any sense to me.

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2025 will be worse, as many cameras will no longer be in production.

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I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. Much better ergonomics. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

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I still think you precipitate your decision , i mean...i think you will be happy with what you ordered as a P mode user but there are so much better options out there than the zv1.

4k vids? i think all of the ones i mentioned or the large majority does 4 k, with a difference, give you the option of using other modes while providing all your requirements.

zv1 is a bit more limited in that regard.

RX / HX earlier models has G lenses ( which i also prefer to T* sonar) and are in your price point.

I don't have complains about the speed or AF of my HX-50 e.g. My hx99 have all your requirements, and then more, cost me 500 euros neither makes me want more speed.

Canon G5x MKI has the perfect body, great evf, better than Sony's RX / HX, fast 1.8//2.8 and enough detail ( i don't know if it has 4k)

But if you have favourites of your own, why didn't you go for them, even if you can't get them brand new you can get them in second hand.

Photography is not just detail and resolution, it's handling, shooting experience...pleasure .

Why not Olympus then? According to you can be more usable and enjoyable than your M7

Yes, $280 gets you a brand new boxed rx100 M1, that's what I said. I'm not claiming anyone get one of these, but they are available.

Or they were until recently, i see the cheapest new rx100 right now locally is the M3 at $320.

Either supply is drying up or people don't want to buy a 12 year old model anymore. I didn't expect sony to continue making these forever.

Many people, including myself, are unaware how cheap electronics in general are and how much headroom for profit retailers have, especially when production continues for a decade or more.

Amazon and others can't compete with the gray market. When i bought my M7 i couldn't find it locally, but E-Infinity had it for $250 less than everyone else. They offer a unofficial warranty and make a profit despite selling them so cheaply, which begs the question how much are these cameras really worth?

Back in Japan, gray market retailers are making a killing offering products at below market value but companies always try to crack down on these practices because it makes the company look bad and they are carefully controlling the prices.

People are buying a 1200 dollar( or whatever mrsp is) pocket camera because they think they are getting a really high tech gadget, if the same camera retailed for $300 youtubers wouldn't even review it, because it's the perception that counts, not the actual product. Cheap=bad. In advanced economies like the US, people demand high quality and can afford to pay for it, In low income countries like mine, people can't afford the inflated prices and that's the reason there is a huge gray market, it's basically a necessity.

Like i said, in the last couple of years prices have jumped and there are less deals to be had today, which is OK, i guess inflation and instagram retro-camera craze finally caught up with us.

As long as i have at least a couple of working cameras around, my GAS is satisfied.

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I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. Much better ergonomics. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

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I still think you precipitate your decision , i mean...i think you will be happy with what you ordered as a P mode user but there are so much better options out there than the zv1.

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Yes, but are they pocketable or competitively priced? An olympus EP7 costs $600 directly from OM systems, similar to what a EM10 III retails for but the 14-42mm kit lens is slow and more importantly, not as sharp or fast focusing as the sony lens. So you get a better camera yes, but you need to add a 12-40 f2.8 to properly take advantage of it, that's a ~$650 surcharge.

I never bought a canon G7X or G5X because of the bad reviews and high prices, also my last premium compact from Canon, the S90 was a piece of junk, there was no build quality to speak of. Maybe the G X cameras are better, but i don't want to risk spending hundreds of dollars on a camera that i may or may not hate. Sony is a different story, i had many of their models and know what to expect from them.

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RX / HX earlier models has G lenses ( which i also prefer to T* sonar) and are in your price point.

I don't have complains about the speed or AF of my HX-50 e.g. My hx99 have all your requirements, and then more, cost me 500 euros neither makes me want more speed.

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As you noticed, the Sony HX cameras don't have the ability to shoot video in manual, can't even change WB in video mode. The lenses are great, but they are not as fast or as sharp. Also the smaller sensor means less detail in images. Just so you know, the HX99 is around 300 euros on the gray market.

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Photography is not just detail and resolution, it's handling, shooting experience...pleasure .

Why not Olympus then? According to you can be more usable and enjoyable than your M7

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Olympus doesn't make cameras anymore and they never made one with a 1 inch sensor or 4K video. It's a lost opportunity. Also worth mentioning, their 12 megapixel models offer less resolution and detail than the competing sony models, for me it matters.

The thing with all the 1 inch sensor cameras released by sony is that they produce an image quality that rivals M43 and even entry level apsc, mostly because of the lens. The other manufacturers tried to compete but failed.

When the original rx100 was released in 2012, it was the bomb, it was like having a $1000 dslr/handycam in your pocket. Nobody could touch it. At the time i was broke so I couldn't afford spending $450 to get one, i bought my first in 2018 for $80. Still was and is a great camera.

The ZV-1/rx100 V are basically the same thing with updated internals. They are very competitive even in 2024 and they can easily replace a dedicated video camera/handycam. Check out samples on youtube. Most stills cameras shoot video as a secondary function, on a ZV-1 it's 50/50, it shoots video as well as it does stills, it's like having two cameras in one. And they fit inside a pair of cargo shorts, so they're very convenient.

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Now i sold the M7 because f2.8 doesn't work on these cameras, the images are too grainy. I would have preferred getting an older M4 or M5 but these cameras are sooo expensive it's just crazy.

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Shooting RAW allows shooting up to ISO 6400 vs 1600 for JPEG.

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Yes, $280 gets you a brand new boxed rx100 M1, that's what I said. I'm not claiming anyone get one of these, but they are available.

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I suggest they are lying to you when they say it's brand new. I don't trust gray market.

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Yes, $280 gets you a brand new boxed rx100 M1, that's what I said. I'm not claiming anyone get one of these, but they are available.

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I suggest they are lying to you when they say it's brand new. I don't trust gray market.

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Yes, there's something wrong with a price that low. And I think that model has been out of production for several years, so at the very least, it would be very old stock. But, more likely, it's either ex-display or customer-returned stock.

Some grey market sellers are well-known, have been around for years, and have a good reputation. I suspect this isn't from one of them.

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lomoapontaechuta said:

... My hx99 have all your requirements, and then more, cost me 500 euros neither makes me want more speed.

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As you noticed, the Sony HX cameras don't have the ability to shoot video in manual, can't even change WB in video mode.

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You might have to switch to stills mode to change it, if that's what you mean. I dunno.

And this is a page from the HX90V Help Guide:



The HX90V white balance adjustment is under the 'Camera' menu, page four (note that the mode dial is set to video):

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I am familiar with all the cameras you mentioned and had many of them. For me, the best ones are the Olympus Xz-2, Stylus 1 and the original RX100 from 2012. I can still buy a brand new M1, but i wanted 4K video and the faster speed.

Panasonic makes or made OK pocket cameras, so did Canon. But the sony lens is sharper and the sony sensor and AF are the best in class.

The Olympus Stylus 1 is in many ways better than the rx100 M7, more usable and more enjoyable. Better colors and exposure. Better metering. Much better ergonomics. But the 1 inch sensor of the sony does capture more detail and resolution. Panasonic tz100 is also very good, but the lens is less sharp and the build quality of the Olympus beats both easily.

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I still think you precipitate your decision , i mean...i think you will be happy with what you ordered as a P mode user but there are so much better options out there than the zv1.

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Yes, but are they pocketable or competitively priced? An olympus EP7 costs $600 directly from OM systems, similar to what a EM10 III retails for but the 14-42mm kit lens is slow and more importantly, not as sharp or fast focusing as the sony lens. So you get a better camera yes, but you need to add a 12-40 f2.8 to properly take advantage of it, that's a ~$650 surcharge.

I never bought a canon G7X or G5X because of the bad reviews and high prices, also my last premium compact from Canon, the S90 was a piece of junk, there was no build quality to speak of. Maybe the G X cameras are better, but i don't want to risk spending hundreds of dollars on a camera that i may or may not hate. Sony is a different story, i had many of their models and know what to expect from them.

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G5X MKI it's a very comfortable cam to shoot with, it has the perfect body ( handling) a much better EVF ( with eyecup) than all RXs / HXs, a very useful screen ( it opens to the side and flip 360º) and it's very pocketable. 100mm 1.8/2.8 lens.

IQ it's spot on, nice frames, very good vid codecs, i don't have complains.

Where i struggled the most was in the performance. AF is slower than the one in my HX-50, and while you can point to literally everything with a Sony cam and things are fluid, the Sony knows what you want and adapt to the new subject in micro seconds while the Canon is way dumber, if i change from mid distance subject to a macro, i have to switch manually if i don't do it, i don't get focus.

Auto ISO or AWB it's not reliable, sometimes i get grey frames, so that it's in Manual.

But yes, it can be a "culture shock" if you go from Sony to Canon, but once you go pass that, it's a pretty good cam, specially for low dynamic scenarios.



































i rarely take advantage of the fast lens, i'm always going to 3.5 to 6.3. ( i usually shooting with a bigger focal length, habits).

Don't get too much caught up in the building quality thing, you would be amazed how much punishment a little cam with a plastic body can take

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RX / HX earlier models has G lenses ( which i also prefer to T* sonar) and are in your price point.

I don't have complains about the speed or AF of my HX-50 e.g. My hx99 have all your requirements, and then more, cost me 500 euros neither makes me want more speed.

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As you noticed, the Sony HX cameras don't have the ability to shoot video in manual, can't even change WB in video mode. The lenses are great, but they are not as fast or as sharp. Also the smaller sensor means less detail in images. Just so you know, the HX99 is around 300 euros on the gray market.

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Well, you described yourself as a casual shooter, using P mode and now you are talking in manual control in vid?

On the other hand, i prefer HXs by far. But if i could... perhaps having a G5X MKI body with a RX MKII//III/ or even IV inners coupled with a G lens ( cause 100 mm), great would be 700 mm lens

























Looks fine to me, enough and very pleasant in most of the cases

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Photography is not just detail and resolution, it's handling, shooting experience...pleasure .

Why not Olympus then? According to you can be more usable and enjoyable than your M7

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Olympus doesn't make cameras anymore and they never made one with a 1 inch sensor or 4K video. It's a lost opportunity. Also worth mentioning, their 12 megapixel models offer less resolution and detail than the competing sony models, for me it matters.

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Careful, 12 Mp sensors can render amazing frames, resolution ain't everything, sometimes can hurt a portrait ( revealing to much the imperfections of skin, showing too much big skin pores, they can take away instead of adding e.g.)

Having less resolution helps a lot in this type of scenarios

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The thing with all the 1 inch sensor cameras released by sony is that they produce an image quality that rivals M43 and even entry level apsc, mostly because of the lens. The other manufacturers tried to compete but failed.

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Against APC sensors the 1"inch just doesn't have a chance.

But competitors made valid options like LXs, Gxs, and some.RX needed 7 generations to be where they are now, competitors made much less generations and often competed against much more advanced cams. Sony invested in the segment, creating it and maintaining, the others only tried to tap in a new segment to make some money.

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When the original rx100 was released in 2012, it was the bomb, it was like having a $1000 dslr/handycam in your pocket. Nobody could touch it. At the time i was broke so I couldn't afford spending $450 to get one, i bought my first in 2018 for $80. Still was and is a great camera.

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That RX MKI still is the same cam that was in 2012, same (kick ass ) performance, others maybe better, newer, but that doesn't mean RX MKI lost performance

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The ZV-1/rx100 V are basically the same thing with updated internals. They are very competitive even in 2024 and they can easily replace a dedicated video camera/handycam. Check out samples on youtube. Most stills cameras shoot video as a secondary function, on a ZV-1 it's 50/50, it shoots video as well as it does stills, it's like having two cameras in one. And they fit inside a pair of cargo shorts, so they're very convenient.

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Personally, stills cams with vids as a secondary function is a major plus for me, the other way around can be a deal breaker, a thing in the way to get my clip. Nothing beats clicking a button and getting the clip.

All still cams with vid capability is like having 2 cameras in 1.

I think all of us look for different things in a cam, i hope you find what are you looking for in the zv1

lomoapontaechuta said:

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The thing with all the 1 inch sensor cameras released by sony is that they produce an image quality that rivals M43 and even entry level apsc, mostly because of the lens. The other manufacturers tried to compete but failed.

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Against APC sensors the 1"inch just doesn't have a chance.

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If you're looking at Sony APS-C with budget kit lenses, the RX100 series has a lot more than a chance. RX100III results were every bit as good as the A55 and kit lens I was using for travel at the time, so I bought one for an overseas trip. Been happy with it ever since.

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lomoapontaechuta said:

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The thing with all the 1 inch sensor cameras released by sony is that they produce an image quality that rivals M43 and even entry level apsc, mostly because of the lens. The other manufacturers tried to compete but failed.

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Against APC sensors the 1"inch just doesn't have a chance.

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If you're looking at Sony APS-C with budget kit lenses, the RX100 series has a lot more than a chance. RX100III results were every bit as good as the A55 and kit lens I was using for travel at the time, so I bought one for an overseas trip. Been happy with it ever since.

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Yes, the compact 16-50 (24-75 equivalent) E-mount kit power zoom is also pretty mediocre. I think the 24-70 equivalent RX100 lens is probably better (and it's certainly faster). Sony also does an expensive, high quality, 16-55mm G lens for serious users.