POLL: Zooms v Primes

POLL: Zooms v Primes


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A. Don't know, too many lenses.

B. My 300/4 use bends the curve a huge amount. My other primes, which I do enjoy, see far less use, perhaps combined they come close to the # of shots taken with the 300?

C. While less so than the E-system, m4/3 is zoom-centric like pretty much every other current major camera system. Lucky for us, zoom design and lens manufacturing has evolved tremendously, with top zooms not giving any ground in performance to primes, other than maximum aperture.

Cheers,

Rick
 
The poll results are less heavily weighted towards zooms than I expected. Thank everyone for your votes and interesting replies.

Why I'm Prime:

1. Except for the 60 macro ... all of my primes are tiny.

2. Diffraction is not a distraction.
Pretty much the same here. I do still have my Panasonic 14-140 as a general purpose lens and a first gen Panasonic 35-100 f/2.8 for the occasional paid gig that can benefit from the convenience of a zoom. The majority of the time, I prefer to use a small prime.
 
The poll results are less heavily weighted towards zooms than I expected. Thank everyone for your votes and interesting replies.

Why I'm Prime:

1. Except for the 60 macro & 75 1.8, all of my primes are tiny. For street, family, and around town they are easier to carry and less intimidating for victims.

2. Diffraction is not a distraction. Suppose I have an f4-5.6 zoom lens. Wide open, that leaves me with only three stops of aperture to work with in optimal circumstances: 4, 5.6, 8. Zoomed in to f5.6, I only have two stops: 5.6 & 8. Sure, stretching to f11 is not catastrophic but it is not preferable.

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3. Bokeh. I own no zoom that has what I would call smooth, pleasant bokeh. My 75-300 is a nervous wreck at 75 but my 75 f1.8 very smooth and pleasant. Even my 12-40 at 40mm vs my 45 f1.8 is little more than acceptable.
 
The poll results are less heavily weighted towards zooms than I expected. Thank everyone for your votes and interesting replies.

Why I'm Prime:

1. Except for the 60 macro & 75 1.8, all of my primes are tiny. For street, family, and around town they are easier to carry and less intimidating for victims.

2. Diffraction is not a distraction. Suppose I have an f4-5.6 zoom lens. Wide open, that leaves me with only three stops of aperture to work with in optimal circumstances: 4, 5.6, 8. Zoomed in to f5.6, I only have two stops: 5.6 & 8. Sure, stretching to f11 is not catastrophic but it is not preferable.
My small kit is OM5 with 10/2, 12-45/4 and 25/1.4. I only need f4 and f5.6 on the zoom for the majority of what I shoot, so wider than f4 is a waste of weight. The 12-45/4 is excellent, better than some MFT primes (in some cases a lot better), so it saves a lot of money and weight.

My two primes are chosen to add shooting envelope where I need it, at lowest cost and weight. I might occasionally sub the 25/1.4 out for the Zuiko 50/2 macro adapted but that is big. The rendering is beautiful though, and it is a macro as well.

A lot of my kit combinations have primes and zooms for similar reasons, including either light gathering plus subject isolation or a small lens to add to shooting envelope. I observe in MFT that Panasonic have better prime offers for me than OM, for whatever reason (apart from the 300/4).

My landscape coach berated me at my last workshop for using primes at all... He thought that primes (for landscape) were only ever used because zooms weren't good enough.

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I realize I'm blessed in having quite a choice. Over the years, I have been able to upgrade my lens collection incrementally. Generally, I only buy used or refurbished lenses. Typically, I will get 1 lens a year (sometimes 2 cheaper lenses), but in the last year, I got a bit of a G.A.S. (gear acquisition syndrome) and got 3 lenses, which I'll be paying off over the next couple of months.

I tend to be a record the moment photographer rather than a plan for the best shot in detail photographer. So when I go out, I generally figure out the lens to use and I don't change the lens during shooting. If I have 2 lenses I go between, I use two cameras with a different lens attached.

Of course it depends on what the scenarios are:

For normal shooting, I go out with the Olympus 12-200mm f/3.5-6.3 on one camera (OM-1 or E-m5 mark III) and the 12-40mm f/2.8 mark I on the other. Typically for outdoor shooting, I will use the 12-200mm and for indoor shooting, I will use the 12-40mm. Before I got the 12-200mm, I used the 14-150mm f/4-5.6 lenses, going through the mark I and then mark II lenses.

For whale watching and birding where the thing I want to photograph appears randomly either close or far, I will put the 12-200mm on one camera, and a long lens on the other. In this case, changing lenses is not an option, as the critter will be gone before I can change lenses. At some point, I hope to get an Olympus 100-400mm f/5-6.3 lens. Currently, I have 3 options:
  • Panasonic 100-300mm f/4-5.6: Particularly if I'm using 2 cameras, I don't like having the zoom/focus rings go in the opposite direction as the Olympus/OM Systems lenses. After an incident on a whale watch, I do not consider this to be a splash resistant lens.
  • Classic 4/3rds Olympus 50-200mm f/2.8-3.5 with either the EC-14 or EC-20 tele-converters. The 50-200mm + EC-14 is a 70-280mm f/4-5 lens. The 50-200mm + EC-20 is a 100-400mm f/5.6-7 lens. Coupled with the MMF-3 adapter, this is the only long lens I have that is splash resistant and I have shot in wet conditions with the lens over the years. The downside is it is the heaviest/largest of the large lenses.
  • Classic 4/3rds Olympus 70-300mm f/4-5.6. Recently, I have been using the EC-14 on it, which makes the lens 98-420mm f/5.6-8.
If I'm photographing indoor scenes, I will typically use the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8-3.5 lens. If I'm photographing things on a stage further back, I will use my f/2.8 intermediate lenses. For quite some time, I used the Panasonic 35-100mm f/2.8 lens, but in a fit of G.A.S. I just acquired the Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 lens. In the past, I would use my Panasonic-Leica 15mm f/1.7 lens and my Olympus 45mm f/1.8 lens, with the old Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 lens on-board in case the 15mm is too wide. Generally, I prefer the f/2.8 zooms over the f/1.7 and f/1.8 lenses these days. Before I acquired the 12-40mm f/2.8 lens, I would use the primes more often.

I don't shoot formal portraits, so I generally don't use a fast lens to show the subject in focus but the background de-focused.

For photographing fall in New England, I typically use the 12-200mm but I will carry a wider lens to use occasionally on a 2nd camera. I have gone between a classic 4/3rds 9-18mm f/4-5.6 on an Olympus E-1, a micro 4/3rds 9-18mm f/4-5.6 on a micro 4/rds body. As part of my recent G.A.S. upgrade, I just got an Olympus 7-14mm f/2.8 lens.

The one place I routinely use a prime is for my steampunk and renaissance faire cameras. In this case, I embed the camera into either an older large format camera body, a castle cutout with a dragon puppet over the lens, or a box with bellows, etc. made to evoke a large format camera. The issue is it takes me 10 minutes to disassemble and reassemble the gear, so changing lenses is out of the question. I need to photograph stuff indoors in dim light and outdoors where rain is always a possibility. In the past, I had used the Sigma 16mm f/1.4 lens, but I just recently got the Olympus 17mm f/1.2 lens, and I really like this lens. For this setup, 15-20mm is my sweet spot. Because of the size of the bellows or dragon puppet, having a larger lens is actually helpful. I had thought about the new OM 20mm f/1.4, but in this case the larger Olympus 17mm f/1.2 works better.

In the few times when I want to shoot macro, particularly shots with focus stacking, I got a used Olympus 60mm f/2.8 macro lens. But I don't typically use it.

I do have other lenses that I've used in the past, but I don't use them as much these days.
 
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My sighthound, Milo, says he prefers zoomies; anything from 0 to 200 metres (in Milo Fe#king Tonking it equivalence terms).

I hope I've Interpreted the poll correctly.
 
My primary interest is landscape/nature at narrow apertures, so zoom lenses are more practical. I carry a fast prime, but it's mostly for low light where I need shutter speed.
 
I like the versatility of zooms and use the 8-25mm and 12-100mm lenses quite often, but for wildlife/macro I use the 300mm and 90mm primes. The telephoto zooms are either too much of a compromise, or bigger and heavier than I want to carry.
 
I've noticed an apparently increasing interest in zoom lenses vs prime lenses in this forum. All of the recent "which lens should I buy?" questions are really about choosing a zoom lens. I like my f1.7-f2 primes that form the backbone of my lens collection. I have four zooms (P. 12-32, O. 12-40, 14-150, 75-300) but, except for the O. 12-40 f2.8, I don't use them frequently.

How often do you actually use prime lenses vs zoom lenses? I'm around 75%.
90% zoom, 10% prime.

The combo of 8-25, 12-100, and one of the light tele zooms like the PL 100-400 does it for me. Then throw in a fast pancake like the 20mm F1.7 or the 60mm macro.

I also have a range of Sigma Art lenses, 24, 35, 50, 85 all F1.4, that I can use on a speed booster, but they are large lenses so it has to be something special for me to use them on the Om1.
 
I've noticed an apparently increasing interest in zoom lenses vs prime lenses in this forum. All of the recent "which lens should I buy?" questions are really about choosing a zoom lens. I like my f1.7-f2 primes that form the backbone of my lens collection. I have four zooms (P. 12-32, O. 12-40, 14-150, 75-300) but, except for the O. 12-40 f2.8, I don't use them frequently.

How often do you actually use prime lenses vs zoom lenses? I'm around 75%.
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2 x 12-35/2.8
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From my SLR film days, I greatly preferred primes and had only a single zoom for when I needed a longer reach.

When I switched to mirrorless cameras in 2014, my default preference was for primes and only very gradually grew in my appreciation of zooms.

I still really enjoy my primes but find that in practice, I mostly use zooms for MFT (first, the Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 for my E-M1 Mk2 and later added the Olympus 12-45mm f/4 to pair with the E-M5 Mk3). Despite my strong preference for a tilting screen, the E-M5 Mk3 paired with the 12-45mm f/4 had become my most used camera/lens combination. Since I missed the tilting screen, I purchased another 12-45mm f/4 lens to pair with my recently purchased E-M10 Mk4 camera.

Jim
 
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The main reason I moved to m43 from Nikon(dSLR, 1 series) and Sony(NEX, A6xxx) were their lack of oem prime lenses. My first camera (in 1980's) was an Olympus OM-10 + 28/f2.8 and 50/f1.8 - fully manual settings including aperture and shutter speed. ISO/ASA is fixed by whatever film that was in the camera ;-)


All the zooms I used on Nikon and Sony were kit lenses starting at f4.0 at best. My mode dial was almost always on 'P'(rogram).


With prime, I'm almost always on 'A'.
 
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I've noticed an apparently increasing interest in zoom lenses vs prime lenses in this forum. All of the recent "which lens should I buy?" questions are really about choosing a zoom lens. I like my f1.7-f2 primes that form the backbone of my lens collection. I have four zooms (P. 12-32, O. 12-40, 14-150, 75-300) but, except for the O. 12-40 f2.8, I don't use them frequently.

How often do you actually use prime lenses vs zoom lenses? I'm around 75%.
I have always pretty much been a prime shooter, but for m4/3 in particular the zooms of which I have knowledge don't really fit any of my use cases (I debated pretty heavily on the 50-200/2.8-4.0 at one time though...).

I do have one zoom in my FF system, but it is a fast wide angle zoom.
 
I like being able to choose a lens that complements my mood. When it goes right, it just works and I get pictures I would never get with a zoom because I wouldn't see in the same way.
 
I’ve only got one MFT lens and it’s a zoom.

I was never going to invest more into this system than the one body and one lens.
Had that lens been a prime (other than the specialty 60 Macro or 300/4) my E-M1III would probably get very little use.

The versatile zoom I chose makes the E-M1III my first choice for general & opportunistic use - grab and go for landscapes, people and video.

jj
 
Undoubtedly zooms are versatile and great for travel albeit larger and heavier. However, for photographic pleasure, it's refreshing to spend some time with a fixed FOV. It forces one to think of composition in a particular way rather than just zooming to what feels comfortable.
 

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In general I found the pro F 2.8 zooms from both systems to be so good that I rarely need to use a prime for anything. I will actually sometimes put one on my Panasonic and Olympus bodies just to challenge myself.

But there is probably a period of time for about 2015 to 2022 where I didn't use anything other than the F 2.8 zooms from both Panasonic and Olympus. No exceptions whatsoever.

Actually one exception, I would occasionally use the Olympus 35-100 F 2.0 4/3 lens which is probably sharper than any of my primes anyway.

So I occasionally use the 45 in the 20, the cheap ones, but probably for only about 30 or 40 shots a year out of the thousands that I take.

Interesting though, I have a bunch of RF L zoom glass and several bodies for that system, and I find myself using primes probably about 20% of the time On that particular system for some reason.

But I also don't think the L zoom glass is nearly as sharp as the Olympus or Panasonic Pro Zoom glass.
 

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