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Ryzen 7540U and 7840U for Topaz

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Austinian said:
CBR1100XX said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
BobKnDP said:
Henry Richardson said:
I wonder how the new Snapdragon will do compared to the 7840U I bought in January?

Anyone seen anything?
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Does Topaz Photo AI run on the X Elite at all?

It appears that Topaz doesn't support the ARM versions of Windows.
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It will run in emulation. 10-20 perfect maximum drop in performance (for now).
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That's if everything is supported and it works well with the emulation layer.

Lightroom Classic for example can't use the GPU currently.

And other bugs are popping up making it so some other apps don't run at all or have larger performance issues.

This isn't surprising, when Intel went big/little there were a few compatibility and thread scheduling issues and this is an even bigger switch. So this is likely the worst of it, the questions are how fast and broadly can they fix these issues?
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One concern may be drivers; at least when I had my Windows ARM Dev Kit, drivers couldn't be emulated, so anything that needed a driver (in my case, Macrium Reflect Free) would fail without a native ARM driver.
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Yup.

And then there's going to be architecture sensitive programs, or even specific actions in them. I remember when I built my last PC Intel 10th gen chips weren't too far behind AMD in most benchmarks but were way back in preview creation for Lightroon Classic.

And even with AMD chips for that same task 12 core ones are a hair faster than 16 core.
 
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
BobKnDP said:
Henry Richardson said:
I wonder how the new Snapdragon will do compared to the 7840U I bought in January?

Anyone seen anything?
Click to expand...
Does Topaz Photo AI run on the X Elite at all?

It appears that Topaz doesn't support the ARM versions of Windows.
Click to expand...
It will run in emulation. 10-20 perfect maximum drop in performance (for now).
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I wonder why Topaz doesn't list that?

ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
 
BobKnDP said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
BobKnDP said:
Henry Richardson said:
I wonder how the new Snapdragon will do compared to the 7840U I bought in January?

Anyone seen anything?
Click to expand...
Does Topaz Photo AI run on the X Elite at all?

It appears that Topaz doesn't support the ARM versions of Windows.
Click to expand...
It will run in emulation. 10-20 perfect maximum drop in performance (for now).
Click to expand...
I wonder why Topaz doesn't list that?

ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
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Up until this point, Arm PC's were low powered systems made for basic computing, and long battery life for all day use. Most creative software applications were horrible on them.

The difference is now, there are Arm systems that are quite powerful and can run these software packages without issue. That 11 percent was mostly for running edge and word, now people expect the software companies to have their poop together since they knew for a long time this was happening.

I expect 3 months max of growing pains, but still be able to run most everything on the new systems.
 
BobKnDP said:
ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
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"At the moment Arm has an 11% share of the Windows PC market according to Counterpoint Research."

I find that a little hard to believe, if they're talking PCs currently in the hands of actual users.
 
Austinian said:
BobKnDP said:
ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
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"At the moment Arm has an 11% share of the Windows PC market according to Counterpoint Research."

I find that a little hard to believe, if they're talking PCs currently in the hands of actual users.
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There were arm PC’s before X elite/Plus series chips. Surface Pro X 1 and 2, and some others from Lenovo HP etc have been around for 3 to 4 years. They have been popular with enterprise for long battery life and lower initial costs for startup.

The surface pro X was a great device hampered by poor emulation. Since prism, it has been MUCH MUCH better.
 
Austinian said:
BobKnDP said:
ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
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"At the moment Arm has an 11% share of the Windows PC market according to Counterpoint Research."

I find that a little hard to believe, if they're talking PCs currently in the hands of actual users.
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That's what I thought too.

However based on this article in Tom's HW, the 10.6% shipment rate in 3Q2023 included Apple M1 M2 M3. ARM Holdings gets royalties for those and Snapdragon.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/arm-pc-market-share-shrinks-mercury-research
 
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Henry Richardson said:
I wonder how the new Snapdragon will do compared to the 7840U I bought in January?

Anyone seen anything?
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I searched around and found some stuff for the 4 Snapdragon X versions compared to the Ryzen 7840U:

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus (X1P-64-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus (X1P-64-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U: performance comparison

We compared Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus (X1P-64-100) (3.4 GHz) against AMD Ryzen 7 7840U (3.3 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has...
nanoreview.net nanoreview.net

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-78-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-78-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U: performance comparison

We compared Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-78-100) (3.4 GHz) against AMD Ryzen 7 7840U (3.3 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has...
nanoreview.net nanoreview.net

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-80-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-80-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U: performance comparison

We compared Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-80-100) (3.4 GHz) against AMD Ryzen 7 7840U (3.3 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has...
nanoreview.net nanoreview.net

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-84-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U

Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-84-100) vs AMD Ryzen 7 7840U: performance comparison

We compared Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (X1E-84-100) (3.8 GHz) against AMD Ryzen 7 7840U (3.3 GHz) in games and benchmarks. Find out which CPU has...
nanoreview.net nanoreview.net

Take a look at those pages for some benchmark scores, but here are screenshots of the overall comparisons:



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And then on a different site I found this:



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Yes, we all know that benchmarks do not tell the whole story. What we really care about is our app performance, etc. But for the moment these at least may be of some interest.
 
BobKnDP said:
Henry Richardson said:
I wonder how the new Snapdragon will do compared to the 7840U I bought in January?

Anyone seen anything?
Click to expand...
Does Topaz Photo AI run on the X Elite at all?

It appears that Topaz doesn't support the ARM versions of Windows.
Click to expand...
I sent a message to Topaz asking about Photo AI support of Snapdragon X and I got this reply:

While we are not there yet, we are looking into supporting the new Windows ARM systems in the future
 
CAcreeks said:
Austinian said:
BobKnDP said:
ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
Click to expand...
"At the moment Arm has an 11% share of the Windows PC market according to Counterpoint Research."

I find that a little hard to believe, if they're talking PCs currently in the hands of actual users.
Click to expand...
That's what I thought too.

However based on this article in Tom's HW, the 10.6% shipment rate in 3Q2023 included Apple M1 M2 M3. ARM Holdings gets royalties for those and Snapdragon.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/arm-pc-market-share-shrinks-mercury-research
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That explains it, thank you.
 
Henry Richardson said:
Yes, we all know that benchmarks do not tell the whole story. What we really care about is our app performance, etc. But for the moment these at least may be of some interest.
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That interests me as a comparison of the different Elite X chips, I hadn't seen that before. Thanks!
 
Austinian said:
BobKnDP said:
ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
Click to expand...
"At the moment Arm has an 11% share of the Windows PC market according to Counterpoint Research."

I find that a little hard to believe, if they're talking PCs currently in the hands of actual users.
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It seemed high to me, too, but I have no data to the contrary.

Maybe many thin/light laptops and low-end Chromebooks have been sold with ARM CPUs. I don't know what sort of Chromebooks are distributed in some public schools in the US.
 
BobKnDP said:
Austinian said:
BobKnDP said:
ARM based PCs are supposed to represent an 11% market share. Small, but not trivial.
Click to expand...
"At the moment Arm has an 11% share of the Windows PC market according to Counterpoint Research."

I find that a little hard to believe, if they're talking PCs currently in the hands of actual users.
Click to expand...
It seemed high to me, too, but I have no data to the contrary.

Maybe many thin/light laptops and low-end Chromebooks have been sold with ARM CPUs. I don't know what sort of Chromebooks are distributed in some public schools in the US.
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See CAcreek's link above.
 
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