Going from FF to 4/3 for macro?

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I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
 
I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
MFT is a good choice for macro work. OM systems has the 90/3.5 pro macro lens, 60mm macro and 30mm macro lens. Panasonic has the 45/2.8 macro lens and 30mm/2.8 macro lens as well. Then there are several 3rd party companies offering macro lens too.

Lot of choices for a macro shooter.
 
I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
M4/3 is superb for insect macro, especially with flash. The OM-1 with the 90 mm is the ultimate setup, and there's little if any benefit in having the OM-1 Mark II for macro so you can grab a bargain while the 'Mark I' is still available. The price difference will almost pay for the lens!

The 60 macro is also very good and much lighter, but I greatly prefer the 90 for a whole range of reasons.

The viewfinder is good rather than excellent - I wish it was a bit finer resolution, and the 'Night Vision' which is needed for MF with flash is nowhere near as good as the Canon implementation. For ordinary ambient light macro this is a non-issue.

AF works surprisingly well at macro distances, but fine tuning with MF or by moving the whole camera is still needed for precise focusing on insect's eyes etc.
 
I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
4/3 is a poor choice because it was discontinued about a decade ago. Coincidentally, though, you have posted in the forum of its successor, Micro Four Thirds (MFT).

Macro, light weight, easy. Here are my MFT suggestions...

Lens: Olympus/OMDS 60mm f2.8 Macro. Extremely sharp, weather resistant, and long enough to provide good subject distance & room for good lighting. 185g

Body: either the E-M5 III or OM-5. Both have the same weather resistant body. The OM-5 is newer and has more features, none of which (I think) benefit macro photography. Only restriction on this body is that the tripod socket must be treated gently. Both have focus stacking and focus bracketing. 414g w/battery.

Total weight: 599g

Research these. I could bloviate on the virtues of such a system for macro but there are already a lot of online reviews and videos on both the lens and the bodies.

I'll admit, though, that I am not very well versed in other, lighter bodies from both Olympus/OMDS and Panasonic.

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I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
If you look at my gallery here, you can see that I do a ton of flower and moderate insect work.

I have both FF and M43, and M43 really hits a sweet spot for macro, for a couple of reasons:

First, the crop factor means that at any given (equivalent) focal length, the DOF at any specific aperture will be deeper on M43 than on FF. So, for example:

If you have a 60mm f2.8 FF lens on a FF body, and a 30mm f2.8 lens on an M43 body, you will get the same field of view, in terms of subject coverage in frame. However, at the same f stop (say f2.8 on both), your DOF on the M43 lens will be twice what it is on the FF lens (equivalent to the DOF on the FF lens at f5.6). Note: I am not talking about ANY OTHER equivalence factors here, just DOF per any given aperture at the focal lengths of both lenses that give an identical field of view. (As you might guess, this gets into contentious territory, but for working with macro, this is the relevant information that you need to get an idea of how the LENSES behave, comparatively, on the formats' bodies.)

Second: There are LOT of options for macro work on M43. I've owned most of the M43 macro lenses over the years, and all of them are good. I have found that I prefer to shoot at longer focal lengths, though, so for some time I have been using the PL 100-400mm for a lot of flower work, and using extension tubes some of the time, or occasionally a high quality diopter. This works quite well, but it's not a "true" macro.

Recently, I was able to buy the OM 90mm macro. This gives you a full frame equivalent focal length of 180mm, which is in the range of where I prefer to shoot, and it is a fantastic lens. I think this is the single best M43 macro lens that anyone has made, and it is optically just exceptional. To its credit, it also has very effective in-lens stabilization, which means it can be used not just on IBIS bodies, but also on bodies that do not have IBIS, which opens up options that the other Oly/OM macro lenses do not have. And, even at that long focal length, it's small, certainly compared to any FF macro setup, esp with that long a focal length.

Interestingly enough, I use primarily Panasonic bodies. I don't care for the OM/Oly user interface, and I vastly prefer the Panasonic native color rendition (it tends to be a bit cooler, the OM a bit warmer). To its credit, the OM 90mm works utterly flawlessly on even the diminutive G100D, which is a small camera body with no IBIS. I would gain a little more stabilization if I used an OM body, but the OIS in the lens is so good that it's great even without the sync IS, and that means I can use it with the bodies I prefer and get great results.

So, my suggestions?
  1. Absolutely M43 is great for macro.
  2. Get the 90mm lens.
  3. Whatever body you get, make sure it has at least one of the 20MP or 25MP sensors. There are a fair number of 16MP bodies still out there currently for sale, and these are NOT good enough for critical macro work. The 20MP and 25MP bodies, of either manufacturer, are.
  4. Lots of macro shooters use mostly manual focus, but I do prefer AF. However, I don't use either continuous or tracking AF for my macro work. Single point S-AF is so fast and accurate that I have great results with that for my AF macro method of choice. However, if you prefer tracking C-AF, the OM 1mk II or the Panasonic G9 mk II would be the bodies of choice,
    If you do work with S-AF primarily, ANY of the 20MP bodies will do great.
I have attached a bunch of shots with the 90mm lens and either the G100D or the G95 camera bodies, and a couple with the PL 100-400mm.

Macro with M43 is really a lot of fun!

-J













The ones below were taken with the PL 100-400mm:



 

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I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
How do you plan to shoot macro?

Just wander around and click away or super closeups?

Tripod or hand held?

Stage a scene and take multiple photos to stack?
 
I went from Nikon FF to Olympus M4/3 some years ago to downsize. I found early on that the Olympus 60mm f/2.8 macro lens was as good or better than any macro lens I ever had for Nikon, of which there were several over the years including the legendary and massive Micro Nikkor AF 200mm f/4.

The OM-1 and the Olympus 90mm macro lens are top of the Olympus M4/3 line for macro. However, they are also a lot bigger, heavier, and more expensive than some alternatives in the M4/3 system.

Although I have an OM-1, I usually prefer to use my E-M5iii for macro and closeup work. It's smaller and lighter and less expensive than the Olympus "1" series cameras and works just as well for the macro work I do in most instances. I also prefer it for travel, but that's another story.

The Oly 60mm is small, light, and is awesome optically. It goes to 1:1 without accessories, while the 90mm lens goes to 2:1. At 1:1 the two lenses have essentially the same working distance. While the 90mm lens makes it easier to get higher magnification, 1:1 is good enough for me most of the time and I'm spoiled by the compactness, features, and optical excellence of the 60mm lens. It is selling now for $399 USD compared to $1299 USD for the 90.

If the cost is no problem and perhaps more importantly in your case, if you can put up with the size and weight, go for the top of the line. If you want small and light with optical performance at 1:1 that you almost certainly couldn't tell apart plus lower cost, then there is the 60mm option and a more compact body. Olympus also has a very compact 30mm macro lens that gets good reviews, but the working distance is too short for my taste. I can't address Panasonic gear, but there are options there as well.

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I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
If you look at my gallery here, you can see that I do a ton of flower and moderate insect work.

I have both FF and M43, and M43 really hits a sweet spot for macro, for a couple of reasons:

First, the crop factor means that at any given (equivalent) focal length, the DOF at any specific aperture will be deeper on M43 than on FF. So, for example:

If you have a 60mm f2.8 FF lens on a FF body, and a 30mm f2.8 lens on an M43 body, you will get the same field of view, in terms of subject coverage in frame. However, at the same f stop (say f2.8 on both), your DOF on the M43 lens will be twice what it is on the FF lens (equivalent to the DOF on the FF lens at f5.6). Note: I am not talking about ANY OTHER equivalence factors here, just DOF per any given aperture at the focal lengths of both lenses that give an identical field of view. (As you might guess, this gets into contentious territory, but for working with macro, this is the relevant information that you need to get an idea of how the LENSES behave, comparatively, on the formats' bodies.)

Second: There are LOT of options for macro work on M43. I've owned most of the M43 macro lenses over the years, and all of them are good. I have found that I prefer to shoot at longer focal lengths, though, so for some time I have been using the PL 100-400mm for a lot of flower work, and using extension tubes some of the time, or occasionally a high quality diopter. This works quite well, but it's not a "true" macro.

Recently, I was able to buy the OM 90mm macro. This gives you a full frame equivalent focal length of 180mm, which is in the range of where I prefer to shoot, and it is a fantastic lens. I think this is the single best M43 macro lens that anyone has made, and it is optically just exceptional. To its credit, it also has very effective in-lens stabilization, which means it can be used not just on IBIS bodies, but also on bodies that do not have IBIS, which opens up options that the other Oly/OM macro lenses do not have. And, even at that long focal length, it's small, certainly compared to any FF macro setup, esp with that long a focal length.

Interestingly enough, I use primarily Panasonic bodies. I don't care for the OM/Oly user interface, and I vastly prefer the Panasonic native color rendition (it tends to be a bit cooler, the OM a bit warmer). To its credit, the OM 90mm works utterly flawlessly on even the diminutive G100D, which is a small camera body with no IBIS. I would gain a little more stabilization if I used an OM body, but the OIS in the lens is so good that it's great even without the sync IS, and that means I can use it with the bodies I prefer and get great results.

So, my suggestions?
  1. Absolutely M43 is great for macro.
  2. Get the 90mm lens.
  3. Whatever body you get, make sure it has at least one of the 20MP or 25MP sensors. There are a fair number of 16MP bodies still out there currently for sale, and these are NOT good enough for critical macro work. The 20MP and 25MP bodies, of either manufacturer, are.
  4. Lots of macro shooters use mostly manual focus, but I do prefer AF. However, I don't use either continuous or tracking AF for my macro work. Single point S-AF is so fast and accurate that I have great results with that for my AF macro method of choice. However, if you prefer tracking C-AF, the OM 1mk II or the Panasonic G9 mk II would be the bodies of choice,
    If you do work with S-AF primarily, ANY of the 20MP bodies will do great.
I have attached a bunch of shots with the 90mm lens and either the G100D or the G95 camera bodies, and a couple with the PL 100-400mm.

Macro with M43 is really a lot of fun!

-J

The ones below were taken with the PL 100-400mm:
No one can honestly dispute jalywol's mastery of macro photography but in the interest of fairness, the 185g 60mm is 268g lighter than the 453g 90mm.

The G100D is a featherweight 352g, a good choice if the camera is usually stabilized on a tripod for slower shutter speeds.
 
I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
4/3 is a poor choice because it was discontinued about a decade ago. Coincidentally, though, you have posted in the forum of its successor, Micro Four Thirds (MFT).
Well yes, but I think most people realise I meant Micro 4/3 😎
 
No one can honestly dispute jalywol's mastery of macro photography but in the interest of fairness, the 185g 60mm is 268g lighter than the 453g 90mm.
Yes it is. But, oddly enough, the 60mm, because it IS so light and yet long and kind of oddly skinny, so its center of gravity is forward of the body by a significant amount, I found it quite a bit harder to hand-hold and get good results with it, even with IBIS bodies. It sort of flies around on the camera, lol.
The G100D is a featherweight 352g, a good choice if the camera is usually stabilized on a tripod for slower shutter speeds.
Oh humph. The 90mm has such good stabilization that it does just fine without a tripod, even at slower speeds. See photos below.

The 60mm is not usable on unstabilized bodies, like the G100, without a tripod. Just my opinion, but, it's a bad match for an unstabilized system.

So, if the OP decided they might have an unstabilized body in the mix, my macro lens recommendations would be: The 90mm OM, the PL 45mm macro, or the Panasonic 30mm macro. All are good.

And, below are slower shutter speed shots using ONLY the lens OIS with the 90mm lens:

(Remember, even on the G95, it only uses the lens OIS, not the body and lens sync IS...)

-J

























 

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I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
How do you plan to shoot macro?

Just wander around and click away or super closeups?
both
Tripod or hand held?
both
Stage a scene and take multiple photos to stack?
Sometimes required to stage studio scenes occasionally do stacking
 
I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
How do you plan to shoot macro?

Just wander around and click away or super closeups?
both
Tripod or hand held?
both
Stage a scene and take multiple photos to stack?
Sometimes required to stage studio scenes occasionally do stacking
For wandering around I prefer the Om1 and PL 100-400mm. I also have AF macro tubes and a Canon 500D close up filter if I need it but I usually don't.

For external stacks and extreme macro, I prefer the GX85 and Oly 60mm F2.8 sometimes used with a 1.4x TC on macro tubes and also a Raynox 250 if need be.

I like the GX85 for multiple shot macro because it is very simple to set up. Simple menu. Or maybe it is just what I am used to.

My main Om1 camera I like to leave setup for normal photography.

This is with the Om1 + PL 100-400mm alone hand held...



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Look out in mpb for 60mm if you decide to go that way Save a $ toward a flash and diffuser

also check out this guys YouTube channel for Info




he is m4/3 macro shooter
 
Look out in mpb for 60mm if you decide to go that way Save a $ toward a flash and diffuser

also check out this guys YouTube channel for Info


he is m4/3 macro shooter
I have the 60mm F2.8 macro and flash and diffuser.
 
I sold my full frame stuff a little while back..long story won't bore you!..Anyway, I want to invest in a system mainly for macro work, insects, still life, etc. but due to health issues want a lightweight system and excellent view finder with good AF where practical (though I realise from my experience , many subjects are better using MF) Could going 4/3 be a good option? Suggestions.
4/3 is a poor choice because it was discontinued about a decade ago. Coincidentally, though, you have posted in the forum of its successor, Micro Four Thirds (MFT).
Well yes, but I think most people realise I meant Micro 4/3 😎
Maybe on other forums but not so much here. Most here will suspect you meant m4/3 but can't be certain. The difference is quite specific. 4/3 and m4/3 use the same 4/3" sensor but the mount is quite different. Some hear use adaptors to fit the older though excellent 4/3 glass to their m4/3 cameras.
 
Look out in mpb for 60mm if you decide to go that way Save a $ toward a flash and diffuser

also check out this guys YouTube channel for Info


he is m4/3 macro shooter
Don't skimp on flash power particularly if you want to do in-camera stacking. Powerful flash with a good fold-up type diffuser helps drown out ambient light. You can always dial the power down,
 

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