The feeling of a non-event caused by the lack of a shutter mechanism (shaking your camera while you are in the process of trying to hold it still) can be rectified by shooting in 20fps mode. The rapid-fire is addicting.
The Z8 and Zf are deficient?
I think MJ_Photo38 was mostly referring to the other FF cameras aside from the Z8/Z9. The Z8 and Z9 are fine, the Zf is on the fence (it's an improvement but also still shares some of the downsides that came with the Z6 series, like the slower sensor). So I think what was meant that they won't release another mid-range FF body unless it has vastly improved AF over what we have (including the Zf, not that it's bad, but the sensor is kind of holding it back too IMO). But also the Zf is a bit of a special case since the focus (no pun intended) there is on aesthetics and feel (handling) not so much performance. The improved AF was just a bonus really. Nikon probably could have just saved some cash and given it the Expeed 6 and most would probably still have gone for it anyway. It was probably also an opportunity to show potential Z6 III buyers that Nikon IS still working on the $2000 FF market, and they haven't been left out to dry competely, maybe ignored for a few years... My guess is that the Z6 III was not completely finalized and parts sourced when the Zf was released so it was also used as a measure to fill the gap temporarily (so serving two purposes really: a retro camera, and a hold-over until the Z6 III is released.
I guess so, but I can count on the fingers of one hand the instances where a burst rate faster than 8fps was absolutely required for me, so you can imagine that I'm not about to fire at 20fps all the time lol (also I played with it a little and it was still life less even with that little sound). As I said, to me haptic feedbck is important, I don't know hy they didn't bother to put a super small vibration motor like there is in phones : on my phone I have an haptic feedback when I take a picture, it does not shake the phone at all yet I still feel it and it works great
Oh okay, that's nice to know. Thanks for the info.The Z6 has an IMX410 (while the Z5 has an IMX128). The exact model code for the Z6 is IMX410BQJ (as opposed to the D780's IMX410BQT). It is a Sony sensor.I'm not saying it will happen... but be prepared for it to happen
(by the way, I don't think the Z6 has a IMX 410, that sensor has a resolution of 6064x4040 pixels while the Z6's sensor has a resolution of 6048x4024. I think that all Nikon Z cameras (exception made of the Z5) all have Nikon design produced by Sony Semicon, but those are not Sony designs and therefore not on Sony's sensor lineup)
Here is a picture of the Z6's (left) and D780's (right) sensor. Note the labels at the top (left image) and Left (right image).
Nikon (and Sony) often mask edge pixels and don't use them directly for imaging, which is why you'll see small variances between things like "Effective pixels" and "Total pixels" (and also why Nikon claims a sensor size of 35.9 x 23.9mm rather than 36 x 24). Exact pixel counts are not a reliable indicator of sensor model number.
The Z6 has 25.28MP total pixels and 24.5MP effective pixels: https://www.nikonusa.com/p/z-6/1595/overview#tech-specs
Never said it couldn't be used for pro stuff. I'm talking about the "pro control layout" that Nikon has been using ever since the D1 came out in 1999 :
The D750 isn't the successor to the D700.
It should be noted that nikon is a brand that tend to stay in their way. I see no reason for them to not include a mode dial.
Yeah I was talking about Z bodies. D series cameras were pretty consistent.The Z6 & Z8 already have similar button layouts, with only a handful of differences:
So in this picture, the only differences are the top left button and bottom right button:
- The play button is bottom right corner on the Z8 and top left on the Z6. The top left button on the Z8 is lock / Fn3. This doesn't exist on the Z6
- The drive mode button is bottom right on the Z6 and top/mode on the Z8
- The Z8 has a dedicated front AF/MF switch and 4 top mode buttons; while the Z6 has no dedicated AF/MF switch and a PASM dial instead of these 4 buttons
Other than that, the layouts are already similar, but just different enough to make switching between dual bodies annoying. They have the same locations for:
For other examples, just off the top of my head:
- Fn1
- Fn2
- Movie Record
- ISO
- Metering
- Trash
- DISP / Movie / Stills
- AF-On
- Thumbstick
- information menu
- D-Pad
- Zoom In
- Zoom out
- Menu
- The Z9 & Z8 have similar button layouts.
- The Z5 and Z6/Z7 and Z6ii/Z7ii are different bodies and all have similar layouts. (The Z5 is different from a Z6/Z7 in internal sensor, top dial location/LCD, and build materials; but the Z6 and Z7 are identical bodies; and the Z6ii & Z7ii are identical except with the additions of dual slots and contact points for a grip).
- The D5, D500, & D850 had similar layouts.
- The D7200 & D750 had similar layouts.
I still think it won't happen looking at Nikon's releases in the last 15 years. I guess we'll get back to this post when the Z6III is released and I'm proven wrong lol (wou;dn't be the first time)
For starters, let me direct you to this thread: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67673448. Also, see recent threads by @horshack documenting serious Eye AF problems in the Z8.
I don't think my standards are too high, but I do like the intended subject to be in focus!
What is an "OG" Z6?
You do realize this statement is not possible, right?
I assume the original Z6, i.e. the first version announced on 23 August, 2018.
Not sure if you read my post carefully, but what I described is in essence a Z8 with a 24 MP Sensor.
I disagree with your “Whatever” because that ignores what the camera will actually end up being. If it’s a new non-stacked sensor with a traditional shutter then yes I agree $2500 is more likely the price as I stated originally.
Thank you. I did not think of that.
Currently the price in Switzerland for a Z8 is 3200 chf. I ordered a Z8 yesterday for 3000, special price and cancelled today while reading the Z6iii rumors again.
with high end haptic motors, yes it is. Wasn't possible a few years ago.
I don't need to shoot with a Z8 specifically, I've shot plenty with electronic shutter with both my Z6 and the Fujifilm cameras I was using before, when I didn't want to make any noise during event shootings.
Yes I can see how such a camera could be worth 3000. But as I said, whatever the camera, it's not what nikon needs and it won't sell at that price, no matter how good it is.
You literally just described what the Z7/Z8/Z9 and Z30/50/Fc cameras are and not what the Z6 is supposed to be.
