Which card for 8k video??

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I quite new z8 user here. I m using Homemade ssd sn520 and bg4, both are good when taking photos but cant record 8k.

Well...in theory the ssd should be fast enough. I tested in pc and get 1000mb/s write easy.

I am. Looking to get reasonably priced card. Which one should i get? I hear from friends thay sandsisk is no good and sony is over priced.

Im thinking about "Angelbird - AV PRO CFexpress B SE. Is it any good?
 
Im thinking about "Angelbird - AV PRO CFexpress B SE. Is it any good?
That card has a quoted sustained write speed of only 800 MB/s so probably not fast enough for 8K raw video (NRAW) but might be ok for H.265. The next one in the Angelbird line (the SX) would be a better bet as it has a faster write speed. I've not used it myself but I have the next one in the line (MK2 1 TB) and that has the same write speed as the SX. It has no problem with 8K 60fps sustained so I presume the SX would be fine. If you are going to shoot 8K NRAW, it is advisable to get something bigger than the basic 160GB as that will fill up in no time. You could always contact Angelbird directly and ask them before buying.
 
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Top line Delkin Black cards.

Personally I never heard of this line of cards until the z9/8. It's all I've been using and they are fantastic. Fast and reliable.
 
I got a 330GB Delkin Black recently and it's been fine with all 8K settings on the Z8. I've not seen any performance differences between it and my Angebird Mk2 - no issues with either shooting shortform 8K NRAW video at fairly high ambient temps (up to 35C).
 
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Got a Sabrent 2TB pro CFe card USED on ebay, £240 and its rated for 1800MB/s continuous minimum write speed. Does all the Z8s various high data rate video no problem. And never stops. Card doesent get very hot either. Hot warning comes and goes over time. With the highest raw data rate, and 8.4k NRAW 60FPS HQ it says 44 mins. Other modes, anything up to 8 hours or more.

I suggest you have a look on ebay. This is a £650 card for 1/3rd the price. You never know! Its as new and tested perfectly. With warranty!

An an endless buffer for stills with the new compressed RAW format. It just goes indefinitely at 20fps. And 57k shots!

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I also did the DIY route as well.

My DIY card uses a 1TB sabrent rocket 2230 SSD. Because it has a fast large cache area. One of extremely few card that are suitable. It is also capable of all the various data rate 8k that the nikon can do. At least it is until the card is between half and 2/3rds full. Then it stops. Why is that?

Because the various "pro" cards like the delkin etc use exactly the same fast NVMe internals as my DIY cards. But they are over provisioned.

That means a 350GB or similar rated capacity is really a 512GB card under the skin. But around 1/2 to 1/3rd of the cards data area is kept hidden away in firmware. Its there. To be used as write cache. But is invisible to the end user. Thats because these cards are all using the actual data area as the fast write cache. This cache area gets smaller as the card fills up. So inevitably they slow as they fill. So to make a card that writes to the "end" of the card at high speed they need to restrict its data area size.

So if you use the fast 1TB card for example as I did, (1TB Rocket Pro NVMe SD dont use the 512, or 2tb ones! too slow) and format it as the full 1TB but make 2 partitions. One as 600GB visible to use. And one HIDDEN partition taking up the rest of the space then you have the exact same thing as a 600GB pro card. For £100 complete. That does the exact same thing as these overprovisioned pro cards do. And then you can write the 600GB at high speed till its full no prob. Didn't you ever wonder why the fast expensive cards are odd sizes? Instead of 128, 256, 512, 1TB, 2TB etc they are always around 325, 330, 350 or 625 or 1500GB or whatever.

Well this is why. Even the fastest 2230 NVMe ssd's have inadequate room for the required seperate fast cache to allow full write speed for the complete card. And all the pro cards are just NVMe potted in a case. And so instead they restrict the size and reserve the rest as fast write cache. Thats why they are expensive! You are really buying a fast NVMe and also its a bigger GB card that only allows you to use a part of it. Over-provisioning the RIGHT ssd card, allows high speed until its user space is 100% full. But wasting the hidden part.
 
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I also did the DIY route as well.

My DIY card uses a 1TB sabrent rocket 2230 SSD. Because it has a fast large cache area. One of extremely few card that are suitable. It is also capable of all the various data rate 8k that the nikon can do. At least it is until the card is between half and 2/3rds full. Then it stops. Why is that?

Because the various "pro" cards like the delkin etc use exactly the same fast NVMe internals as my DIY cards. But they are over provisioned.

That means a 350GB or similar rated capacity is really a 512GB card under the skin. But around 1/2 to 1/3rd of the cards data area is kept hidden away in firmware. Its there. To be used as write cache. But is invisible to the end user. Thats because these cards are all using the actual data area as the fast write cache. This cache area gets smaller as the card fills up. So inevitably they slow as they fill. So to make a card that writes to the "end" of the card at high speed they need to restrict its data area size.

So if you use the fast 1TB card for example as I did, (1TB Rocket Pro NVMe SD dont use the 512, or 2tb ones! too slow) and format it as the full 1TB but make 2 partitions. One as 600GB visible to use. And one HIDDEN partition taking up the rest of the space then you have the exact same thing as a 600GB pro card. For £100 complete. That does the exact same thing as these overprovisioned pro cards do. And then you can write the 600GB at high speed till its full no prob. Didn't you ever wonder why the fast expensive cards are odd sizes? Instead of 128, 256, 512, 1TB, 2TB etc they are always around 325, 330, 350 or 625 or 1500GB or whatever.

Well this is why. Even the fastest 2230 NVMe ssd's have inadequate room for the required seperate fast cache to allow full write speed for the complete card. And all the pro cards are just NVMe potted in a case. And so instead they restrict the size and reserve the rest as fast write cache. Thats why they are expensive! You are really buying a fast NVMe and also its a bigger GB card that only allows you to use a part of it. Over-provisioning the RIGHT ssd card, allows high speed until its user space is 100% full. But wasting the hidden part.
Woo. Thank you so much for your reply.

Is it this one

https://www.amazon.com/SABRENT-Rocket-2230-Performance-SB-2130-1TB/dp/B0BQG6JCRP

And... Is it ok to leave it as 1tb and use 600gb fast and 400gb slow?

And how come the 2tb is slower than 1tb?

What adapter do u use? I tested my diy card amd get 1000mbs in pc. In theory, it should be enough for z8 but not in reality 😭

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Hello,

Can you share your method/procedure for partioning, and labeling of the partitions?

Thanks!
I also did the DIY route as well.

My DIY card uses a 1TB sabrent rocket 2230 SSD.

So if you use the fast 1TB card for example as I did, (1TB Rocket Pro NVMe SD dont use the 512, or 2tb ones! too slow) and format it as the full 1TB but make 2 partitions. One as 600GB visible to use. And one HIDDEN partition taking up the rest of the space then you have the exact same thing as a 600GB pro card. For £100 complete. That does the exact same thing as these overprovisioned pro cards do. And then you can write the 600GB at high speed till its full no prob.Over-provisioning the RIGHT ssd card, allows high speed until its user space is 100% full. But wasting the hidden part.
 
I ordered my Sabrent 1tb rocket NVMe directly from Sabrent. Sign up for e mails on the website and get 10% off, free shipping and I wasn't charged any tax. I ordered the Zitay all aluminum housing on Amazon.

Its plenty fast and the total was about $130.00 US to assemble the card
 
Partitioning and labeling?

Many ways.

I used a free (cracked!) version of MINITOOL PARTITION WIZARD PRO which I have been using for years but there are other ways listed below.

1. I made one 600B partition. And didnt bother making the 2nd one. Just left the rest as unallocated space. And formatted it ExFat. Then let the camera do a full format. With MINITOOL PARTITION WIZARD PRO

2. You can also create a 2nd partition. And tell the program to make it hidden. Which is similar to what the pro £££$$$ cards do. Both end up looking and working the same. Both work.

3. You can also use windows built in disk manager. Just "shrink" the main partition to say 600GB and let the camera do a full format. Or format ExFat. And ignore the unpartitioned extra space.

4. You can just use the full 1TB partition. Format ExFat but know that at some point when the card is between 1/2 and 2/3rds full that you cant write fast. So the card will fail to accept high data rates. So the high data rate 60fps raw 8k for e.g will fail at this point. But that still leaves a load of space for slower data rates, like 4k 30 or photos.

Basically your choice! As long as you inderstand why it doesent matter.

Label? I called the working partition Z8 but it doesent matter, whatever works for you.
 
I also did the DIY route as well.

My DIY card uses a 1TB sabrent rocket 2230 SSD. Because it has a fast large cache area. One of extremely few card that are suitable. It is also capable of all the various data rate 8k that the nikon can do. At least it is until the card is between half and 2/3rds full. Then it stops. Why is that?

Because the various "pro" cards like the delkin etc use exactly the same fast NVMe internals as my DIY cards. But they are over provisioned.

That means a 350GB or similar rated capacity is really a 512GB card under the skin. But around 1/2 to 1/3rd of the cards data area is kept hidden away in firmware. Its there. To be used as write cache. But is invisible to the end user. Thats because these cards are all using the actual data area as the fast write cache. This cache area gets smaller as the card fills up. So inevitably they slow as they fill. So to make a card that writes to the "end" of the card at high speed they need to restrict its data area size.

So if you use the fast 1TB card for example as I did, (1TB Rocket Pro NVMe SD dont use the 512, or 2tb ones! too slow) and format it as the full 1TB but make 2 partitions. One as 600GB visible to use. And one HIDDEN partition taking up the rest of the space then you have the exact same thing as a 600GB pro card. For £100 complete. That does the exact same thing as these overprovisioned pro cards do. And then you can write the 600GB at high speed till its full no prob. Didn't you ever wonder why the fast expensive cards are odd sizes? Instead of 128, 256, 512, 1TB, 2TB etc they are always around 325, 330, 350 or 625 or 1500GB or whatever.

Well this is why. Even the fastest 2230 NVMe ssd's have inadequate room for the required seperate fast cache to allow full write speed for the complete card. And all the pro cards are just NVMe potted in a case. And so instead they restrict the size and reserve the rest as fast write cache. Thats why they are expensive! You are really buying a fast NVMe and also its a bigger GB card that only allows you to use a part of it. Over-provisioning the RIGHT ssd card, allows high speed until its user space is 100% full. But wasting the hidden part.
Woo. Thank you so much for your reply.

Is it this one

https://www.amazon.com/SABRENT-Rocket-2230-Performance-SB-2130-1TB/dp/B0BQG6JCRP

And... Is it ok to leave it as 1tb and use 600gb fast and 400gb slow?

And how come the 2tb is slower than 1tb?

What adapter do u use? I tested my diy card amd get 1000mbs in pc. In theory, it should be enough for z8 but not in reality 😭
In order...

600 fast then 400 slow? Yes. But at least you will know why it stops at just over half the card! At slower data rates, you may get longer. At 4k 30 you might get the ful card. Say 4 hours of video. And same with photos.

Why not the 2TB one? The 2TB card uses slower memory. And is just a slower card. It substitutes speed for capacity in the tiny physical space available on these cards. So it cant write the cache to memory fast enough. Theres a lot of reviews online comparing them to other cards.

The 512 is also slower and has half the write speed. So only the 1TB one is good for what we need.

I used the alloy aliexpress ones... Super cheap.

I got a black one, with a label for 1TB and it looks and fits better than most of the rest. I tried a few. Some dont fit or release reliably. This one is perfect.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005800646040.html

Probably get the same quality with Zitay. There are many dodgy ones available!

And yes your link is the correct card.
 
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I quite new z8 user here. I m using Homemade ssd sn520 and bg4, both are good when taking photos but cant record 8k.

Well...in theory the ssd should be fast enough. I tested in pc and get 1000mb/s write easy.

I am. Looking to get reasonably priced card. Which one should i get? I hear from friends thay sandsisk is no good and sony is over priced.

Im thinking about "Angelbird - AV PRO CFexpress B SE. Is it any good?
Probably Delkin Black. Ricci (on Youtube) did some tests and I think the Delkin Black cards did the best job (didn't overheat) even using aggressive settings (or any overheating was by the camera itself, not because of the card if I recall correctly).
 
Delkin Power G4 650?GB and up. Delkin is also coming out with another series of Power cards that will be sufficient. Only downside to the new series is you have to get the 1TB+ version for the 1500mb sustained write speed.
 
I have another issue now... The card get too hot and slow down when shooting bust. 😭 Look likr i need a fancy expensive card now
 
I also did the DIY route as well.

My DIY card uses a 1TB sabrent rocket 2230 SSD. Because it has a fast large cache area. One of extremely few card that are suitable. It is also capable of all the various data rate 8k that the nikon can do. At least it is until the card is between half and 2/3rds full. Then it stops. Why is that?

Because the various "pro" cards like the delkin etc use exactly the same fast NVMe internals as my DIY cards. But they are over provisioned.

That means a 350GB or similar rated capacity is really a 512GB card under the skin. But around 1/2 to 1/3rd of the cards data area is kept hidden away in firmware. Its there. To be used as write cache. But is invisible to the end user. Thats because these cards are all using the actual data area as the fast write cache. This cache area gets smaller as the card fills up. So inevitably they slow as they fill. So to make a card that writes to the "end" of the card at high speed they need to restrict its data area size.

So if you use the fast 1TB card for example as I did, (1TB Rocket Pro NVMe SD dont use the 512, or 2tb ones! too slow) and format it as the full 1TB but make 2 partitions. One as 600GB visible to use. And one HIDDEN partition taking up the rest of the space then you have the exact same thing as a 600GB pro card. For £100 complete. That does the exact same thing as these overprovisioned pro cards do. And then you can write the 600GB at high speed till its full no prob. Didn't you ever wonder why the fast expensive cards are odd sizes? Instead of 128, 256, 512, 1TB, 2TB etc they are always around 325, 330, 350 or 625 or 1500GB or whatever.

Well this is why. Even the fastest 2230 NVMe ssd's have inadequate room for the required seperate fast cache to allow full write speed for the complete card. And all the pro cards are just NVMe potted in a case. And so instead they restrict the size and reserve the rest as fast write cache. Thats why they are expensive! You are really buying a fast NVMe and also its a bigger GB card that only allows you to use a part of it. Over-provisioning the RIGHT ssd card, allows high speed until its user space is 100% full. But wasting the hidden part.
Woo. Thank you so much for your reply.

Is it this one

https://www.amazon.com/SABRENT-Rocket-2230-Performance-SB-2130-1TB/dp/B0BQG6JCRP

And... Is it ok to leave it as 1tb and use 600gb fast and 400gb slow?

And how come the 2tb is slower than 1tb?

What adapter do u use? I tested my diy card amd get 1000mbs in pc. In theory, it should be enough for z8 but not in reality 😭
In order...

600 fast then 400 slow? Yes. But at least you will know why it stops at just over half the card! At slower data rates, you may get longer. At 4k 30 you might get the ful card. Say 4 hours of video. And same with photos.

Why not the 2TB one? The 2TB card uses slower memory. And is just a slower card. It substitutes speed for capacity in the tiny physical space available on these cards. So it cant write the cache to memory fast enough. Theres a lot of reviews online comparing them to other cards.

The 512 is also slower and has half the write speed. So only the 1TB one is good for what we need.

I used the alloy aliexpress ones... Super cheap.

I got a black one, with a label for 1TB and it looks and fits better than most of the rest. I tried a few. Some dont fit or release reliably. This one is perfect.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005800646040.html

Probably get the same quality with Zitay. There are many dodgy ones available!

And yes your link is the correct card.
Could i ask if the 1tb card work well for you when taking lots of photos under hot condition??

I tried few card today from different brands and also ssd, work well in door but when i shoot birds, it is too slow
 
you asked what card to use, and didn't want to spend the money on a tested and proven card and tried to go cheap- now you've spent money and it isn't working as you hoped, so now what?
 
I have recorded 8k without issue to Delkin Black and Nextorage B1 Pro cards.

The Nextorage seems to stay even cooler than the Delkin.

The Nextorage is also officially compatible according to Nikon.
 
you asked what card to use, and didn't want to spend the money on a tested and proven card and tried to go cheap- now you've spent money and it isn't working as you hoped, so now what?
The OP is trying to capture 8K video with a Z8. I am afraid that is going to overheat regardless of which card one uses, if the video is more than a few minutes.

I have both the Z8 and Z9, and I mostly use the Z9 for video. In my experience, the Z8 can handle 4K30p mostly without any issues. 4K60p can be an problem after a little while, e.g. 20 minutes or so, depending on various factors such as ambient temperature, card type .... Likewise, 8K30p will likely be a problem for video longer than a few minutes. That is why I mostly stick with the Z9 for video.
 
The OP is trying to capture 8K video with a Z8. I am afraid that is going to overheat regardless of which card one uses, if the video is more than a few minutes.
Nope. I've recorded 20+ minutes on my Z8, no problem. But I use good cards.
I have both the Z8 and Z9, and I mostly use the Z9 for video. In my experience, the Z8 can handle 4K30p mostly without any issues. 4K60p can be an problem after a little while, e.g. 20 minutes or so, depending on various factors such as ambient temperature, card type .... Likewise, 8K30p will likely be a problem for video longer than a few minutes. That is why I mostly stick with the Z9 for video.
Odd that you don't mention what cards you use. I use Delkin Black and Angelbird cards in both my Z9 and Z8. No overheat problems with either, even at 8K.

Saying you have problems without details is of little value. If you said "I use Sandisk cards" then we would all tell you its the card. But if you said you used a Delkin Black, Angelbird or one of the many known-good cards, then you would receive different answers.
 

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