G100 (original) vs G100D (updated version)

I bought a G100 about a year and a half ago.

Aside from a couple of UI differences from their upper level bodies (reduced button/dial programmability) that were a little annoying, it was a very functional 20MP M43 body, with excellent color rendition and output overall. When compared to the GX9 output, it was just about identical, and I think a little nicer, in terms of WB and color rendition, than the G95, at least for SOOC image use.

However, the EVF was cranky. I had to have my eye exactly centered and a little set back from the eyepiece to get the image correctly in focus across the frame, and the EVF color accuracy was not great. I sometimes use glasses (sometimes not) with the EVF, and this made that kind of difficult. So, I found myself not using the camera much because of that.

As an added conundrum, I had bought the kit with the tripod/handle with the intention of also using that on my other Panasonic bodies, however it turned out that because it was a micro USB plug not USB C, it only would partially be compatible with the other bodies when used with a micro USB to USB C adapter. That was a frustrating discovery.

So, when they came out with the new version, (the current D version), which solved the EVF and tripod compatibility problems, I started thinking maybe I should take a look at that, and maybe trade in the original for the new one, if the improvements were significant enough.

I went back and forth with this for several months, and had decided to just sell the original G100 and have only the G95 for the M43 and the S5 for the FF (with the old faithful GM5 for the quick portable kit). Too much camera churn is not always helpful, after all, you know? (I am sure you all are giggling heartily at my actually saying that, given my gear history...)

But, I ended up selling a whole batch of gear to MPB, and generating enough funds from that to cover both the OM 90mm macro and about half the cost of the new version of the G100, so I said what the heck. Life is short, and I really like having two M43 bodies; one for long use (the G95 with the PL 100-400mm is a VERY nice combination), and one for short and portable. And, the new version of the tripod/handle that comes with the G100D is fully USB-C and cross compatible with all of my Panasonic bodies now, which makes it finally genuinely useful for my purposes.

So, the new G100D arrived today, and I will tell you, the EVF difference on this one vs the original is HUGE. I do not have to aim my eyeball just right to get a clear image; I can put my eye to the eyepiece and see everything, the color rendition is much, much, more accurate (it agrees with the rear screen also), and I can use it with or without my glasses.

The rest of the camera is pretty much the same; color rendition is great, the same little annoying button/dial programming stuff is still there (unfortunately); in other words the good and bad of the original is still there, other than the EVF, which is a genuinely significant improvement over the first version.

So, this is either good or bad news, depending on how you use the camera. If you are not a big EVF user, the original can be bought at bargain rates, and you get a very competent small camera with excellent output. On the other hand, the sale prices of the new version are very competitive and you get a truly useful EVF now, if you need one.

Not a bad choice of options for a small M43 body with excellent output....

-J
Nice review Janet. I wish they would give us something a little more upmarket in the G100 size package. I would like a G9 writ small (with compromises, of course), but I suspect Panasonic has little appetite to offer a mid-tiered product for our system. I do still struggle with understanding where Panasonic thinks the G100 sit in the market when the E-M10 IV exists, but I appreciate not everyone gets along with Olympus UI.
 
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There is a substantial (about 80%) difference in screen dots, with the G100 having the highest count. 1.84M vs 1.04M. ;-)
Where are you seeing this difference? In the viewfinder, or the LCD, or on your computer screen? How are you measuring your 'dots'?

And I think Janet's just trying to help you PLShooter, don't shout at her...you may have misunderstood her intentions.

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Please re-read my reply. 1.84M dots refers to the camera LCD, not the VF which is 2.36M or my computer screen. I thought my reply was very clear on that. :-|

A 1.84M dot LCD screen will most probably always display a "nicer" image than one with much fewer dots. Similar to the output of a high-resolution sensor vs one with less resolution.

And I don't believe I shouted in any manner (no BOLD letters) and meant no offense to her. :-)

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There is a substantial (about 80%) difference in screen dots, with the G100 having the highest count. 1.84M vs 1.04M. ;-)
Where are you seeing this difference? In the viewfinder, or the LCD, or on your computer screen? How are you measuring your 'dots'?

And I think Janet's just trying to help you PLShooter, don't shout at her...you may have misunderstood her intentions.

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Please re-read my reply. 1.84M dots refers to the camera LCD, not the VF which is 2.36M or my computer screen. I thought my reply was very clear on that. :-|

A 1.84M dot LCD screen will most probably always display a "nicer" image than one with much fewer dots. Similar to the output of a high-resolution sensor vs one with less resolution.

And I don't believe I shouted in any manner (no BOLD letters) and meant no offense to her. :-)
I sometimes wonder what goes on at Panasonic. The GX9 is mechanically better in every way except the EVF. Why not take the GX9 guts and put it in the G100 shell then? Is the addition of the larger shutter and IBIS unit that much more expensive that it wouldn't hit the profitability target for Panasonic?
 
You're asking the wrong person. I personally believe it is fine as is for how I use it, and never been in a situation where its "limitations" have caused an issue. YMMV. ;-)

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Well done. I am finding the OMS 90/3.5 also works well on my G100. The in-lens IS is obviously working well ....
It's a good combo. I just started a flower thread with a few more peony shots from that setup.

The OM 90mm is a heck of a lens...and yes, its OIS works quite well with the G100.
Strange that OMS is seemingly fitting In-lens IS in new lenses whilst Panasonic is moving away from this in more recent lenses - vide: the range of f1.7 lenses although they might be considered "fast enough" not to need it.

I am not good for referencing where I read things and i do read a lot. But somewhere recently I saw a comment that with dual stabilisation "80%" of the stabilisation comes from the in-lens stabilisation. I could be wrong in my remembered percentage but I was a bit surprised at the time that the in-lens side offered such a high percentage of the total utility.

This was not a comment on in-body versus in-lens but more that they were considered equally good to be worth following separate paths before Panasonic started adding IBIS to its camera bodies. I have never felt myself disadvantaged by having to rely on in-lens stabilisation.

The fact that I have rock steady platforms with the Olympus 12-100/4.0 and the OMS 90/3.5 seems to confirm this.

So we might get IBIS is great or ILIS is great but when they are combined the ILIS does much of the heavy lifting and the IBIS tidies it up with some useful help.

Interesting but not worth arguing about.

Although when it comes to selling stuff IBIS certainly is holding the floor. Consider that the main attack line over the quite useful G100 is that it does not sport IBIS. Making of course the silly situation that no-IBIS = no-deal no matter how affordable of compelling a camera might otherwise be.
 
There is a substantial (about 80%) difference in screen dots, with the G100 having the highest count. 1.84M vs 1.04M. ;-)
Where are you seeing this difference? In the viewfinder, or the LCD, or on your computer screen? How are you measuring your 'dots'?

And I think Janet's just trying to help you PLShooter, don't shout at her...you may have misunderstood her intentions.

😊
Please re-read my reply. 1.84M dots refers to the camera LCD, not the VF which is 2.36M or my computer screen. I thought my reply was very clear on that. :-|

A 1.84M dot LCD screen will most probably always display a "nicer" image than one with much fewer dots. Similar to the output of a high-resolution sensor vs one with less resolution.

And I don't believe I shouted in any manner (no BOLD letters) and meant no offense to her. :-)
I sometimes wonder what goes on at Panasonic. The GX9 is mechanically better in every way except the EVF. Why not take the GX9 guts and put it in the G100 shell then? Is the addition of the larger shutter and IBIS unit that much more expensive that it wouldn't hit the profitability target for Panasonic?
I suspect Panasonic may have been driven partly from heat management issues with the G100. It feels like to keep costs down, they went with a pure plastic shell case.

I could be wrong by I don't think it's got a lot of capacity to shed heat like the GX9/GX85 hence the relatively short record time limits. I think this is also what is limiting the S9 record times as well.

If you also had more heat from IBIS operating in there, it might be even worse.

So I think they stripped it out. Might save some $ too but not sure... It might have even cost them money to change it because design and tooling costs might exceed the manufacturing costs. Not sure.

Anyway, just my hunch...
 
Although when it comes to selling stuff IBIS certainly is holding the floor. Consider that the main attack line over the quite useful G100 is that it does not sport IBIS. Making of course the silly situation that no-IBIS = no-deal no matter how affordable of compelling a camera might otherwise be.
I took out the new G100 today, briefly, with the PL 100-400mm. By the time I got to my favorite marsh, it was dusk, so the light was considerably less than optimal.

I still managed to get a few decent shots. If I had had the monopod in the trunk, I would have gotten even more. However, I was still able to get more than a few sharp shots at 280mm, hand-held, at between 1/60s and 1/125s, with no IBIS to help the lens, just its OIS. That's not too shabby....


Northern Rough-winged Swallow. These guys move very fast in flight, so I was quite surprised he decided to take a break and perch long enough for me to get a few shots.


If you look closely at the center flower, there is a mosquito-like insect hanging out in the middle of it :) .
 

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Just to clarify, the updates to the G100D version are updated EVF and LCD? Anything else?
 
Just to clarify, the updates to the G100D version are updated EVF and LCD? Anything else?
The EVF and USB C connection vs micro USB are the updates. I believe the LCD is the same.

And I think the output might be tweaked just a tiny bit; the first one excellent, but I think this one might be a tiny bit nicer....but I don't have the first version to compare it to on hand, so that might be a totally subjective observation. In any case, the color rendition of both is excellent.

-J
 
I see no reason for me to upgrade used mine for a few years EVF is fine but I am used to those minute dim film compact EVF's



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I have finally bought the G100D.

I think apart from the USB-C and OLED EVF. It seems the shape of the rubber of the rear thumb grip is different from G100 (just recall my memory).

The OLED EVF is much better than the LCD one. And with USB-C in-body charging, I will never use the battery charger again.

Although G100D is a beginner level camera, the UI is very smooth. And the high res LCD and OLED EVF makes it comfortable to use.
 
I have finally bought the G100D.

I think apart from the USB-C and OLED EVF. It seems the shape of the rubber of the rear thumb grip is different from G100 (just recall my memory).

The OLED EVF is much better than the LCD one. And with USB-C in-body charging, I will never use the battery charger again.

Although G100D is a beginner level camera, the UI is very smooth. And the high res LCD and OLED EVF makes it comfortable to use.
Condolences, sir, on your purchase. At least you got the least bad variant of the G100.

As a G100 owner myself, here's my advice: Don't be seen by the neighbors with it as you enter and leave the house. Wear dark glasses and a fake mustache when shooting with it in public. And if you should get caught with it by someone you know, let them know you bought it on the used market as a gift for some distant relative who doesn't know any better and you wanted to test it out to make sure it works before sending it to them.

Good luck.

PS: it doesn't have IBIS.
 
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I have finally bought the G100D.

I think apart from the USB-C and OLED EVF. It seems the shape of the rubber of the rear thumb grip is different from G100 (just recall my memory).

The OLED EVF is much better than the LCD one. And with USB-C in-body charging, I will never use the battery charger again.

Although G100D is a beginner level camera, the UI is very smooth. And the high res LCD and OLED EVF makes it comfortable to use.
Condolences, sir, on your purchase. At least you got the least bad variant of the G100.

As a G100 owner myself, here's my advice: Don't be seen by the neighbors with it as you enter and leave the house. Wear dark glasses and a fake mustache when shooting with it in public. And if you should get caught with it by someone you know, let them know you bought it on the used market as a gift for some distant relative who doesn't know any better and you wanted to test it out to make sure it works before sending it to them.

Good luck.

PS: it doesn't have IBIS.
No IBIS? I've had the G100 for almost two years and I never noticed.
 
I have finally bought the G100D.

I think apart from the USB-C and OLED EVF. It seems the shape of the rubber of the rear thumb grip is different from G100 (just recall my memory).

The OLED EVF is much better than the LCD one. And with USB-C in-body charging, I will never use the battery charger again.

Although G100D is a beginner level camera, the UI is very smooth. And the high res LCD and OLED EVF makes it comfortable to use.
Condolences, sir, on your purchase. At least you got the least bad variant of the G100.

As a G100 owner myself, here's my advice: Don't be seen by the neighbors with it as you enter and leave the house. Wear dark glasses and a fake mustache when shooting with it in public. And if you should get caught with it by someone you know, let them know you bought it on the used market as a gift for some distant relative who doesn't know any better and you wanted to test it out to make sure it works before sending it to them.

Good luck.

PS: it doesn't have IBIS.
No IBIS? I've had the G100 for almost two years and I never noticed.
Me neither.

In fact it is surprising that "lack of IBIS" is used as an "excuse"by those who would not have bought a G100/D anyway.

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How fast it USB-C charging with G100D, can it charge while in use when connected to a powerbank?
Honestly, I have no idea. I have chargers for the batteries, that I've had from previous models that used the same battery size, so I've never actually had to use in-the camera charging capability.

Have you checked the manual? You can download it; maybe it will have the info?

-J
 
Most cameras can either charge or be used but not both when connected to a USB charger. The manual doesn't say it explicitly but hints that the G100D is the same.
 
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Most cameras can either charge or be used but not both when connected to a USB charger. The manual doesn't say it explicitly but hints that the G100D is the same.
Happy to be shown to be wrong - but am pretty sure that none of the "D" upgrades to Lumix M43s brought this dual capability?

Peter
 
Most cameras can either charge or be used but not both when connected to a USB charger. The manual doesn't say it explicitly but hints that the G100D is the same.
Happy to be shown to be wrong - but am pretty sure that none of the "D" upgrades to Lumix M43s brought this dual capability?
Right.

The newer Panasonic cameras equipped with USB-C port — MFT or L-mount — allow either in-camera battery changing (without camera operating) or powering the camera (without charging the battery) while the camera is operating.

A useful application: With a proper USB-C cable, one can connect the camera to a laptop computer’s USB-C port. The laptop (likely wall-powered) will power the camera while it is operating and, at the same time, receive “tethering” image data.

In production scenarios, one cares more about constant power supply than the battery.

I can see the convenience of charging the battery in-camera with a portable power bank in the bag while one is walking or sitting in the bus, or via wall-power adapter while one is sleeping.

Personally, I bring multiple fully-charged batteries and, at the end of the day, recharge the spent ones using a dual-slot charger.
 
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Most cameras can either charge or be used but not both when connected to a USB charger. The manual doesn't say it explicitly but hints that the G100D is the same.
Happy to be shown to be wrong - but am pretty sure that none of the "D" upgrades to Lumix M43s brought this dual capability?
Right.

The newer Panasonic cameras equipped with USB-C port — MFT or L-mount — allow either in-camera battery changing (without camera operating) or powering the camera (without charging the battery) while the camera is operating.
My G100D doesn't power the camera, it just doesn't charge when turned on and displays a message. I have a power supply with current display and it shows zero as soon as the camera is switched on while plugged in.

I have no idea if this applies to other models but as this query is about the G100D specifically it's important to avoid confusion.
 

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