Torn between the Z 24-120, Z 24-200 and Z 28-400 for Europe trip this fall

Taking a trip this fall for a week to Portugal (if you've followed any of my other posts).... but can't decide on which "travel zoom" to bring... the Z 24-120 (which I own), the Z 24-200 (which I don't own, but thought about buying again for various reasons), and the Z 28-400 (which I don't own, and would only rent if I chose this route).

I'll be taking my Z 14-30 and Z 40 f/2 with me as well (trying to keep the kit as light as possible as most of the shooting will be mostly travel and architecture photography. I'm just concerned that 120mm may be too short but also want to avoid having to change lenses (as a 70-300 was an option but would require a lens change).

I somewhat think the 24-200 might be enough as I have rarely found I needed 300mm or more in those instances (and when I went to Banff two years ago I mostly used the 24-200 below about 100mm but most of that was also landscape photography...) My Europe trip will probably be a bit different as I want to be able to capture small detail but am not sure if carrying around the 28-400 is necessary either.

I also considered adapting a 28-300 but that requires the FTZ (which I no longer have) and would be large and probably heavier than a 28-400 (and probably not as sharp at the longer FLs).

Thoughts?
I traveled extensively throughout Europe last year with a Panasonic mirrorless system. I had both a 24-120 equivalent and a 100-300. I very, very rarely used the 100-300. So I would bring the 24-120. The test results I have seen from the 24-200 and 28-400 are not encouraging.
From my own personal experience shooting demanding 8K video as well as this review, I’d disagree and say the 28-400 is quite encouraging. I really enjoy it for both its versatility and its overall quality. Personally I don’t care which lens the OP takes, but I think people need to see a balanced review of the 28-400 before assuming its quality is lackluster. It is not.

https://petapixel.com/2024/05/19/nikon-z-28-400mm-f-4-8-vr-the-best-all-purpose-lens-ive-ever-used/
 
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Yeah I guess so. I'd have to make sure the combo fits in my sling bag though with possibly the 40 tucked away somewhere. Should fit, although I am contemplating borrowing or renting a Z7 II for the trip but am not sure if it's worth it (it is a bit smaller and lighter, and closer in size/weight to the Zf). The Z8 (aside from resolution )is overkill for the trip.

(I'm also seriously considering another Z7 II for $2k as a travel camera and backup 45MP camera too, since $2k is not bad for that camera and probably the lowest it will go.) Have about a week to think about that one before the sale ends.
Sounds like your real issue is GAS, which can only be cured, at least temporarily, by buying something. Just go ahead and get a Z7ii with a 24-200 as kit lens. :-) I am sure Nikon will announce a Z7iii after your trip.
Well it was more about size/weight but after reconsidering this (and looking at the Zf which is about the same weight) I'm not going to bother. I really don't need 45MP cameras, and the difference wasn't as a big as I had thought it was. So I'll leave it as it is and just take the Z8 and Zf with a lens on each. I guess then again, there are going to be days I will HAVE to carry all the camera gear with me while I'm moving between hotels....
Recently, we established that the weight difference between a Z8 and a Z6ii is about 200 grams, around 7 ounces. I believe that I forgot to remove all the memory cards from the cameras before putting them on a scale, although I took out the batteries. In any case, you won't save much weight going from a Z8 to a Z6/Z7. The Z8 is a bit larger, though.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67683627
That's the other thing... the Z8 feels (in my hands at least) quite a bit larger (the grip mainly) because it is and for normal shooting where I might be shooting for an hour and then taking a break, but not carrying it around all day, it's fine. However, I don't know if spending $2k makes sense to get a slightly smaller grip either. Unfortunately used Z7 II's are not really cheaper than the current Z7 II promo so no point in buying used either.

So I'll have to see. Some of it is just ergonomics carrying the Z8 around all day (now I mean I can put it in the sling bag when I'm not shooting with it so I can do that as well.
I guess since I booked my flight and have to check a bag (which will only be clothes and a tripod) I have more room in my carry on for more gear, not that I want to bring everything, but size of bodies/lenses won't be as much of a concern (originally was going to do just a large carry-on but most Euro airlines limit you pretty heavilyi to about 26 lbs total, and my camera gear alone is about 10-12 lbs).
 
Taking a trip this fall for a week to Portugal (if you've followed any of my other posts).... but can't decide on which "travel zoom" to bring... the Z 24-120 (which I own), the Z 24-200 (which I don't own, but thought about buying again for various reasons), and the Z 28-400 (which I don't own, and would only rent if I chose this route).

I'll be taking my Z 14-30 and Z 40 f/2 with me as well (trying to keep the kit as light as possible as most of the shooting will be mostly travel and architecture photography. I'm just concerned that 120mm may be too short but also want to avoid having to change lenses (as a 70-300 was an option but would require a lens change).

I somewhat think the 24-200 might be enough as I have rarely found I needed 300mm or more in those instances (and when I went to Banff two years ago I mostly used the 24-200 below about 100mm but most of that was also landscape photography...) My Europe trip will probably be a bit different as I want to be able to capture small detail but am not sure if carrying around the 28-400 is necessary either.

I also considered adapting a 28-300 but that requires the FTZ (which I no longer have) and would be large and probably heavier than a 28-400 (and probably not as sharp at the longer FLs).

Thoughts?
As enticing as the 24-120 is... I've had it in my cart several times... I still find 120mm too short to be my longest lens when traveling.

I was playing around with 24-120 today on some shots and limiting myself to 120mm I was unhappy.

I view 24-200 as a stop gap for me... What I really would like is a compact 70-200mm f4 that takes TCs.

I had the 70-200mm f4 but it's too long and unbalanced with FTZ on Z6 IMO.

I also really like my 24-70mm f4 copy, it's done everything I need it to and it's significantly smaller than the 24-120mm f4... it's also not worth much on used market so don't really want to get rid of it.

28-400mm I think for me would have too many compromises in it. 24-200mm for me is already pushing it.

I also sometimes put 24-200 on my Zf to get to 300mm.

That being said... for you, and where you are going in Europe, the length might not be needed?

My vacations are often more nature oriented... i.e. I've got a vacation coming up for Colorado... last summer was Oregon/Washington.

For a European city, I'd probably be happy just street shooting with a 35mm lens TBH b/c the environment calls for it. When I'm somewhere like NYC it's often what I opt for rather than a zoom at all.

And another easy way to not swap lenses is...small 2nd body.

I can do 14-30mm on Z6 and put 24-200mm on Zfc and have 14-300 covered without that much weight.
 
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Well it was more about size/weight but after reconsidering this (and looking at the Zf which is about the same weight) I'm not going to bother. I really don't need 45MP cameras, and the difference wasn't as a big as I had thought it was. So I'll leave it as it is and just take the Z8 and Zf with a lens on each. I guess then again, there are going to be days I will HAVE to carry all the camera gear with me while I'm moving between hotels....
Recently, we established that the weight difference between a Z8 and a Z6ii is about 200 grams, around 7 ounces. I believe that I forgot to remove all the memory cards from the cameras before putting them on a scale, although I took out the batteries. In any case, you won't save much weight going from a Z8 to a Z6/Z7. The Z8 is a bit larger, though.
I didn't like the size of it when handling nor do I need those type of features that a Z8 has. 45mp is realistically overkill as is 8k vid, burst rate, etc. I do want the AF though...

From Z6 to Z8 is a slightly bigger jump with 235g. Z6 is also already at the size/weight limit that I want to carry...one of the reasons why I have a Zfc to compliment it.

I only considered FF mirrorless once the weight got reasonable with lenses like 24-70, 14-30 and Z6 style bodies. I used to shoot Fuji APS-C for quite awhile.

The Z8 reminds me more of an old DSLR in weight/size, which I think was by design to pull in D810/D850/D750/etc users that like a heftier camera, but just not for me.
 
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Taking a trip this fall for a week to Portugal (if you've followed any of my other posts).... but can't decide on which "travel zoom" to bring... the Z 24-120 (which I own), the Z 24-200 (which I don't own, but thought about buying again for various reasons), and the Z 28-400 (which I don't own, and would only rent if I chose this route).

I'll be taking my Z 14-30 and Z 40 f/2 with me as well (trying to keep the kit as light as possible as most of the shooting will be mostly travel and architecture photography. I'm just concerned that 120mm may be too short but also want to avoid having to change lenses (as a 70-300 was an option but would require a lens change).

I somewhat think the 24-200 might be enough as I have rarely found I needed 300mm or more in those instances (and when I went to Banff two years ago I mostly used the 24-200 below about 100mm but most of that was also landscape photography...) My Europe trip will probably be a bit different as I want to be able to capture small detail but am not sure if carrying around the 28-400 is necessary either.

I also considered adapting a 28-300 but that requires the FTZ (which I no longer have) and would be large and probably heavier than a 28-400 (and probably not as sharp at the longer FLs).

Thoughts?
Personally I would say you already have the perfect travel lens set, no need to add more. TBH I would just take the 24-120 on the Z8 and your phone.
 
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Recently, we established that the weight difference between a Z8 and a Z6ii is about 200 grams, around 7 ounces. I believe that I forgot to remove all the memory cards from the cameras before putting them on a scale, although I took out the batteries. In any case, you won't save much weight going from a Z8 to a Z6/Z7. The Z8 is a bit larger, though.
I didn't like the size of it when handling nor do I need those type of features that a Z8 has. 45mp is realistically overkill as is 8k vid, burst rate, etc. I do want the AF though...

From Z6 to Z8 is a slightly bigger jump with 235g. Z6 is also already at the size/weight limit that I want to carry...one of the reasons why I have a Zfc to compliment it.

I only considered FF mirrorless once the weight got reasonable with lenses like 24-70, 14-30 and Z6 style bodies. I used to shoot Fuji APS-C for quite awhile.
Actually I find the Z6 somewhat too small for my taste, and the Z6ii/Z7ii are essentially the same. I prefer the Z8 and also like the Z9. I can certainly understand that plenty of people don't like the size and weight of the Z9, not to mention the price, but I come from the F4s, F5, D2X, and D5 .... I am used to such size and at least for now, I can still carry it, but obviously I have been using Nikon for decades and not that young any more.
The Z8 reminds me more of an old DSLR in weight/size, which I think was by design to pull in D810/D850/D750/etc users that like a heftier camera, but just not for me.
Seriously, if you prefer small camera bodies, Sony should be your brand. They also use (physically, not necessarily capacity) memory cards such as CFexpress Type A, instead of Type B.

And there is Micro 4/3.
 
Recently, we established that the weight difference between a Z8 and a Z6ii is about 200 grams, around 7 ounces. I believe that I forgot to remove all the memory cards from the cameras before putting them on a scale, although I took out the batteries. In any case, you won't save much weight going from a Z8 to a Z6/Z7. The Z8 is a bit larger, though.
I didn't like the size of it when handling nor do I need those type of features that a Z8 has. 45mp is realistically overkill as is 8k vid, burst rate, etc. I do want the AF though...

From Z6 to Z8 is a slightly bigger jump with 235g. Z6 is also already at the size/weight limit that I want to carry...one of the reasons why I have a Zfc to compliment it.

I only considered FF mirrorless once the weight got reasonable with lenses like 24-70, 14-30 and Z6 style bodies. I used to shoot Fuji APS-C for quite awhile.
Actually I find the Z6 somewhat too small for my taste, and the Z6ii/Z7ii are essentially the same. I prefer the Z8 and also like the Z9. I can certainly understand that plenty of people don't like the size and weight of the Z9, not to mention the price, but I come from the F4s, F5, D2X, and D5 .... I am used to such size and at least for now, I can still carry it, but obviously I have been using Nikon for decades and not that young any more.
The Z8 reminds me more of an old DSLR in weight/size, which I think was by design to pull in D810/D850/D750/etc users that like a heftier camera, but just not for me.
Seriously, if you prefer small camera bodies, Sony should be your brand. They also use (physically, not necessarily capacity) memory cards such as CFexpress Type A, instead of Type B.

And there is Micro 4/3.
Oh I've totally looked at them, I just kind of dread switching. The A7cii and A7CR cams are both enticing as are the 20-70mm f4 and 70-200mm f4 for me. All things Nikon doesn't really offer unfortunately.

I'm waiting to see what Nikon brings out with Z6iii though.
 
Recently, we established that the weight difference between a Z8 and a Z6ii is about 200 grams, around 7 ounces. I believe that I forgot to remove all the memory cards from the cameras before putting them on a scale, although I took out the batteries. In any case, you won't save much weight going from a Z8 to a Z6/Z7. The Z8 is a bit larger, though.
I didn't like the size of it when handling nor do I need those type of features that a Z8 has. 45mp is realistically overkill as is 8k vid, burst rate, etc. I do want the AF though...

From Z6 to Z8 is a slightly bigger jump with 235g. Z6 is also already at the size/weight limit that I want to carry...one of the reasons why I have a Zfc to compliment it.

I only considered FF mirrorless once the weight got reasonable with lenses like 24-70, 14-30 and Z6 style bodies. I used to shoot Fuji APS-C for quite awhile.
Actually I find the Z6 somewhat too small for my taste, and the Z6ii/Z7ii are essentially the same. I prefer the Z8 and also like the Z9. I can certainly understand that plenty of people don't like the size and weight of the Z9, not to mention the price, but I come from the F4s, F5, D2X, and D5 .... I am used to such size and at least for now, I can still carry it, but obviously I have been using Nikon for decades and not that young any more.
The Z8 reminds me more of an old DSLR in weight/size, which I think was by design to pull in D810/D850/D750/etc users that like a heftier camera, but just not for me.
Seriously, if you prefer small camera bodies, Sony should be your brand. They also use (physically, not necessarily capacity) memory cards such as CFexpress Type A, instead of Type B.

And there is Micro 4/3.
Oh I've totally looked at them, I just kind of dread switching. The A7cii and A7CR cams are both enticing as are the 20-70mm f4 and 70-200mm f4 for me. All things Nikon doesn't really offer unfortunately.

I'm waiting to see what Nikon brings out with Z6iii though.
The grass is often greener. My photo buddy is a Sony guy. He actually likes my Z8, and complains about the ergonomics and interface on his A7's all the time - but says he's used to it now and doesn't want to switch.

I've considered a m4/3 system as a second system a number of times, but just have never been drawn to it enough..
 
I was in Cascais any Lisbon a couple of years ago and I brought a 50mm Z , an old 16mm D lens which was terrific, and the 28-300 af-s adapted on my then Z7. It was perfect for every situation and I could carry it easily. I’d say the 24-200 would be fine (you’ll probably pick up a used copy for the price of renting the 28-400) with a fast prime and UW zoom/prime.
 
Recently, we established that the weight difference between a Z8 and a Z6ii is about 200 grams, around 7 ounces. I believe that I forgot to remove all the memory cards from the cameras before putting them on a scale, although I took out the batteries. In any case, you won't save much weight going from a Z8 to a Z6/Z7. The Z8 is a bit larger, though.
I didn't like the size of it when handling nor do I need those type of features that a Z8 has. 45mp is realistically overkill as is 8k vid, burst rate, etc. I do want the AF though...

From Z6 to Z8 is a slightly bigger jump with 235g. Z6 is also already at the size/weight limit that I want to carry...one of the reasons why I have a Zfc to compliment it.

I only considered FF mirrorless once the weight got reasonable with lenses like 24-70, 14-30 and Z6 style bodies. I used to shoot Fuji APS-C for quite awhile.
Actually I find the Z6 somewhat too small for my taste, and the Z6ii/Z7ii are essentially the same. I prefer the Z8 and also like the Z9. I can certainly understand that plenty of people don't like the size and weight of the Z9, not to mention the price, but I come from the F4s, F5, D2X, and D5 .... I am used to such size and at least for now, I can still carry it, but obviously I have been using Nikon for decades and not that young any more.
The Z8 reminds me more of an old DSLR in weight/size, which I think was by design to pull in D810/D850/D750/etc users that like a heftier camera, but just not for me.
Seriously, if you prefer small camera bodies, Sony should be your brand. They also use (physically, not necessarily capacity) memory cards such as CFexpress Type A, instead of Type B.

And there is Micro 4/3.
Oh I've totally looked at them, I just kind of dread switching. The A7cii and A7CR cams are both enticing as are the 20-70mm f4 and 70-200mm f4 for me. All things Nikon doesn't really offer unfortunately.

I'm waiting to see what Nikon brings out with Z6iii though.
The grass is often greener. My photo buddy is a Sony guy. He actually likes my Z8, and complains about the ergonomics and interface on his A7's all the time - but says he's used to it now and doesn't want to switch.

I've considered a m4/3 system as a second system a number of times, but just have never been drawn to it enough..
Yeah I get it... I'm just really itching for a new camera over Z6...

I may just say screw it and lean in to Nikon with their Retro Advantage...and get the Zf.

I said I didn't want one but... The more I think about it, the Z6 probably won't offer much over it besides maybe a newer 24mp sensor and 6k video and cfexpress, all the other internals I imagine will be the same.

Where as if I got Zf...I could having matching Zf/Zfc with same dials. No other system really has that with FF/APS-C retro cameras that are twinning.

There is definitely some "joy" to using a Zf style cam over an A7cii cam also... plus it has better EVF and dual card slots, prob better low light performance also.

Of course, as soon as I would buy the thing, they would probably release a Z6iii :D
 
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I made a trip to Portland Spain in spring with my z24-120 and 40mm. Worked fine for my needs. You might need a bit wider in churches. The small Viltrox 20mm might be a cheap, small and lightweight solution.

I personally would not like to carry a bigger lens than the 24-120. I enjoyed the use of a zoom without permanently changing lenses. When you make a 360 turn in these narrow streets and beautiful plazzas you are confronted with a dozend and more of motives for various focal lengths.

Longer might be handy when you intend to shoot birds at the beach, or flamingos in the Algarve salt marches. But I am not a birder.

Trains in Portugal are very cheap. In case you want to make a short trip over to Spain for instance to Seville, Alsa the Bus company is really cheap when you joyn their free Alsa plus program online.
 
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Taking a trip this fall for a week to Portugal (if you've followed any of my other posts).... but can't decide on which "travel zoom" to bring... the Z 24-120 (which I own), the Z 24-200 (which I don't own, but thought about buying again for various reasons), and the Z 28-400 (which I don't own, and would only rent if I chose this route).

I'll be taking my Z 14-30 and Z 40 f/2 with me as well (trying to keep the kit as light as possible as most of the shooting will be mostly travel and architecture photography. I'm just concerned that 120mm may be too short but also want to avoid having to change lenses (as a 70-300 was an option but would require a lens change).

I somewhat think the 24-200 might be enough as I have rarely found I needed 300mm or more in those instances (and when I went to Banff two years ago I mostly used the 24-200 below about 100mm but most of that was also landscape photography...) My Europe trip will probably be a bit different as I want to be able to capture small detail but am not sure if carrying around the 28-400 is necessary either.

I also considered adapting a 28-300 but that requires the FTZ (which I no longer have) and would be large and probably heavier than a 28-400 (and probably not as sharp at the longer FLs).

Thoughts?
My wife and I recently returned from a 3 week trip to the Netherlands. We took our Z6-II, Z 24-200, and Z 14-30. Other than sometimes wanting a faster lens in museums, the 24-200 worked great. Of 2100 images, 1650 were shot with the 24-200, and of those images, 620 were shot at 24mm; I seldom wished I could reach beyond 200mm.

Obviously everyone shoots differently, and folks have preferences. For me, what we brought with us was about the limit of what I was prepared to carry weight wise - and frankly the 24-200 on a Z6 became an anchor around my neck at the end of a long day :-)

Enjoy your trip :-)
 
The Z8 with 24-120 F4 is a great combo. The output of the 24-120 F4 is so much nicer than the 24-200, plus you can crop up to 200 without loosing to much details.

You'll enjoy the Z8, it's a great camera!
 
Well it was more about size/weight but after reconsidering this (and looking at the Zf which is about the same weight) I'm not going to bother. I really don't need 45MP cameras, and the difference wasn't as a big as I had thought it was. So I'll leave it as it is and just take the Z8 and Zf with a lens on each. I guess then again, there are going to be days I will HAVE to carry all the camera gear with me while I'm moving between hotels....
I guess since I booked my flight and have to check a bag (which will only be clothes and a tripod) I have more room in my carry on for more gear, not that I want to bring everything, but size of bodies/lenses won't be as much of a concern (originally was going to do just a large carry-on but most Euro airlines limit you pretty heavilyi to about 26 lbs total, and my camera gear alone is about 10-12 lbs).
Carrying and having the equipment ready when an interesting view comes up remains a challenge. If you like to walk with a small backpack, then you might keep one camera (the 24-120mm) ready, attached to your left backpack strap (for right hander) with a holster. The neck strap serves just for safety backup, without load. If you have another camera and water-bottle (+ wind-jacket, picnic...*) in your backpack, you nicely equilibrate the load over your shoulder with the upfront camera.

camera holster

* wallet needs separate considerations. Top of backpack is making it easy for the wrong people.
 
Most of my travel is in Europe and the longest focal length I have been using the last years has been 120. I have the 24-200 but that has not had any use since I got the z24-120f4, a by far better lens.
When I travel, being a photo enthusiast I want the best IQ I can get, so would take the z14-30, z24-120 and your 50 a1.8s. If you take your z8, you can easily crop the z24-120 to close to 200 anyway.
This kind of comment makes me question my choices a lot.

I use the following three lenses for events/parties/weddings: Z 14-24, Z 24-70 f/2.8, and Z 70-200 f/2.8.
I use my three prime lenses for portraits of my children: Z 35, Z 50, and Z 85 f/1.8.
And I use the Z 24-200 for travel/hiking.
I'm trying to convince myself that I don't need to replace my Z 24-200 with the Z 24-120, but it's difficult because we hear such good things about the 24-120

Until now, I've been using a Nikon Z6.
But I have ordered the Z8, which will arrive next week.
I already regret not buying the Z8 in a bundle with the Z 24-120.
I have the Z8 with the 24-120 and I love it - just the right mix of reach, speed, weight/size. and sharpness to make it a natural choice for the majority of shots in that focal range.

I don't feel it needs to be longer - if I want more reach (for wildlife, sports, air shows etc.) then the 100-400 goes on and pretty much stays on. For even more reach I use the TC1.4x.

When using the Z8 I tend to be doing a specific photo activity so I don't feel I need the range of focal lengths.

If I'm travelling then I use the Zfc - either the 16-50/50-250 combo or the 18-140 gives flexibility but more importantly is really compact and lightweight. Much as many have said they want the ultimate image quality, I actually want a balance of IQ and convenience for carrying around so it doesn't get in the way on holiday..
Thank you very much for your feedback.

I read your message yesterday but didn't take the time to respond.

The night brought advice, and I put my Z 24-200 up for sale this morning.
I've already found a second-hand offer for the Z 24-120, but I will wait to sell the Z 24-200 first.
It's a pity I missed the opportunity to buy the Z 24-120 new in a bundle with the Z8.

Well, I've only just decided to switch from the 24-200 to the 24-120.
I hope the Z 24-200 sells because there are many of them available second-hand in France.
 
The Z8 with 24-120 F4 is a great combo. The output of the 24-120 F4 is so much nicer than the 24-200, plus you can crop up to 200 without loosing to much details.

You'll enjoy the Z8, it's a great camera!
Thank you very much for your feedback! I am now determined to sell my Z 24-200 in favor of the Z 24-120. I don't know why I waited so long! The purchase of the Z8 with its 45 megapixels finally convinced me. Thanks again for your advice.
 
I haven't read every post in this thread but IMO you already have all you need.

24-120 + 14-30 + 40 F2.

Unless of course you intend to shoot wildlife or small birds.
 
The Z8 with 24-120 F4 is a great combo. The output of the 24-120 F4 is so much nicer than the 24-200, plus you can crop up to 200 without loosing to much details.

You'll enjoy the Z8, it's a great camera!
I highly doubt that a cropped in 120 would be as good as 200mm native. I’ve yet to see any type of proof of that also but several ppl claiming that. Yes the lens is sharper but not that much sharper. There’s quite a diff between 120 and 200. I have the 24-70 and 24-200 and have used 7 other Nikon z mount lenses and the gap is not that big as ppl make it seem. Esp when shooting travel and landscape photos that are typically stopped down to f8/f11.

The biggest difference I see is the aperture. The 24-200 gets slow really fast. But stopped down the differences aren’t dramatic.
 
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Taking a trip this fall for a week to Portugal (if you've followed any of my other posts).... but can't decide on which "travel zoom" to bring... the Z 24-120 (which I own), the Z 24-200 (which I don't own, but thought about buying again for various reasons), and the Z 28-400 (which I don't own, and would only rent if I chose this route).

I'll be taking my Z 14-30 and Z 40 f/2 with me as well (trying to keep the kit as light as possible as most of the shooting will be mostly travel and architecture photography. I'm just concerned that 120mm may be too short but also want to avoid having to change lenses (as a 70-300 was an option but would require a lens change).

I somewhat think the 24-200 might be enough as I have rarely found I needed 300mm or more in those instances (and when I went to Banff two years ago I mostly used the 24-200 below about 100mm but most of that was also landscape photography...) My Europe trip will probably be a bit different as I want to be able to capture small detail but am not sure if carrying around the 28-400 is necessary either.

I also considered adapting a 28-300 but that requires the FTZ (which I no longer have) and would be large and probably heavier than a 28-400 (and probably not as sharp at the longer FLs).

Thoughts?
As enticing as the 24-120 is... I've had it in my cart several times... I still find 120mm too short to be my longest lens when traveling.

I was playing around with 24-120 today on some shots and limiting myself to 120mm I was unhappy.

I view 24-200 as a stop gap for me... What I really would like is a compact 70-200mm f4 that takes TCs.

I had the 70-200mm f4 but it's too long and unbalanced with FTZ on Z6 IMO.

I also really like my 24-70mm f4 copy, it's done everything I need it to and it's significantly smaller than the 24-120mm f4... it's also not worth much on used market so don't really want to get rid of it.

28-400mm I think for me would have too many compromises in it. 24-200mm for me is already pushing it.

I also sometimes put 24-200 on my Zf to get to 300mm.

That being said... for you, and where you are going in Europe, the length might not be needed?

My vacations are often more nature oriented... i.e. I've got a vacation coming up for Colorado... last summer was Oregon/Washington.

For a European city, I'd probably be happy just street shooting with a 35mm lens TBH b/c the environment calls for it. When I'm somewhere like NYC it's often what I opt for rather than a zoom at all.

And another easy way to not swap lenses is...small 2nd body.

I can do 14-30mm on Z6 and put 24-200mm on Zfc and have 14-300 covered without that much weight.
Yeah I'm sort of leaning towards a 24-200 (might just buy one) versus trying to use crop mode on the Z8 with the 24-120 (which is an option) mainly for the sake of lost resolution ,as I may need to crop further in post so I'd like to keep as many pixels as possible (on either camera). Thinking about what I'll be shooting and when, I will mostly be out during the day, and any shooting at sunrise/sunset will be on a tripod anyway so the slower aperture of the 24-200 is not likely going to become an issue. Also, while the Z8 is a great camera, I'm not sure I want to carry it around all day for 7 days.
 
Yeah I'm sort of leaning towards a 24-200 (might just buy one) versus trying to use crop mode on the Z8 with the 24-120 (which is an option) mainly for the sake of lost resolution ,as I may need to crop further in post so I'd like to keep as many pixels as possible (on either camera).
Again, be careful of FOMO. The 24-120mm is going to give you 19mp at essentially 180mm crop, so exactly how big a print are you thinking you're going to do from a telephoto subject?
 

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