What do you think of the new rumored dedicated Film Sims dial on the X-T50?

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I'm calling it rumored because I find it hard to believe Fujifilm would dedicate an entire dial to just Film Simulations on one of their cameras. I rarely change Film Sims, so this would be a negative for me. Why not just provide an unmarked dial that can be reassigned to something else like the X-S10/20. Maybe Fujirumors got this wrong and it is just a spoof?



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Well I have to be honest and say that I change film simulations far more often than I change drive modes. I think I’d have to live with it a bit before I could say for sure that I like it better.
 
Deeply horrible change IMO. Huge disadvantage to serious photographers, both because film sims are useless if you shoot RAW, and because having quick, convenient and reliable access to the drive modes is very important if you are shooting action/wildlife. Also being able to switch to video in a hurry is very important (an entire dial on the X-T4/5!!!)

This single-handedly makes me reconsider my plan to insta-preorder the camera. Along with the price, it makes the X-T5, despite being heavier than I want, look like a good deal all of a sudden. I don't even want an ISO dial, but having a film sim dial always there being completely worthless is offensive to me.

Am I being fussy? Yes. Why do I even buy Fuji cameras in the first place rather than cheaper technically-superior full frame cameras? Because I am fussy.

We haven't seen the whole camera yet


This is still just a rumor, so I wish I could think it's fake, but it seems real.

Still, it's possible there's another drive wheel on the camera somewhere, such as if it replaced the "auto" toggle switch under the shutter speed dial. It's probably not under this film sim dial, because that's where the flash release goes and I doubt they changed that.

If there is a drive wheel, that will help this decision not be such a train wreck, but the film sim wheel is still a really bad choice for serious photographers.

Dials are for quick changes

Suddenly having a fast subject and needing burst mode, or suddenly wanting to capture a video, comes up a lot in my experience.

Suddenly needing to change the film sim without lifting your eye from the viewfinder: Never.

Dials should be for things that you need to change quickly, not for things that you ponderously change when you are feeling bored, and can change in post-processing.

This dial should be customizable

As someone else said, this would be better as a blank dial because film sims are 100% useless to RAW shooters, though personally a drive dial strikes me as worthwhile.

We can dream that they will do the right thing with this dumb film sim dial and allow us to get the same effect as a "blank dial" by customizing it to act that way.

With the "C" position, it definitely looks like a wheel that can spin forever, so they should let us make it into a third generic wheel who's outcome we see on the screen. Letting us customize it this way would mean we also regain a custom button from elsewhere on the camera, since most of us probably have that "most important other thing" on a button somewhere.

I would probably make it control ISO, e.g. to shift between the three auto-iso modes by turning the dial.

You could also have it control drive mode, assuming there's no other physical control for that.

AF modes (wide/zone/point) would be another option you could switch between using the dial.

Honestly if they work that out, it will save this dial in my mind. Yeah it's ugly but as long as it's useful, I can forgive it.

Of course, they could have done the same with the drive dial if they thought it was useless, but they did this instead. I don't think they'll make this dial configurable, only that they absolutely should.

Hope the people who like this change really love it, because for those of us that use Fuji cameras as tools, this is a really big downgrade and waste of space.
 
Well I have to be honest and say that I change film simulations far more often than I change drive modes. I think I’d have to live with it a bit before I could say for sure that I like it better.
If this rumor is true, then Fujifilm obviously didn't design this camera for RAW shooters.
 
Well I have to be honest and say that I change film simulations far more often than I change drive modes. I think I’d have to live with it a bit before I could say for sure that I like it better.
Likewise.

I’m not really interested in the X-Txx range, but I’m curious about what firmware changes come with it.

If (and this is a very big if) they’ve changed things so that you can attach other image settings (highlights, shadows, WB, etc) with those film sim slots then I think it’s one of the best things they’ve ever done—for JPEG shooters at least.

If, however, it simply changes the film sim setting (and I think this is almost certainly what it will do) then it’s not actually very helpful to JPEG shooters and it’s a downgrade for raw-only shooters.

So I’ll reserve judgement until we see the whole package. But it would seem that there is a tide of negative opinion from people who are happy to judge it without knowing the details 😉
 
Hate it.

As a RAW shooter, not only do I never change film sims but, if I did, I'd still much rather press a single button to scroll through a list of customized recipe presets anyway, not waste a dial that already had a useful purpose to what? Scroll through some of the basic sims?

This, of course, means those Drive Dial settings will now have to be assigned to a (likely non-existent) new customizable button.

Beyond stupid. And now they haven't completely ruined just the X-E cameras, but now the X-Txx cameras too.

I haven't even seen what they've done (or haven't done) with the rear panel yet, but I'm already pretty sure that I wouldn't trade my old X-T20 for this thing.

Disappointed, again.
 
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Well I have to be honest and say that I change film simulations far more often than I change drive modes. I think I’d have to live with it a bit before I could say for sure that I like it better.
Likewise.

I’m not really interested in the X-Txx range, but I’m curious about what firmware changes come with it.

If (and this is a very big if) they’ve changed things so that you can attach other image settings (highlights, shadows, WB, etc) with those film sim slots then I think it’s one of the best things they’ve ever done—for JPEG shooters at least.

If, however, it simply changes the film sim setting (and I think this is almost certainly what it will do) then it’s not actually very helpful to JPEG shooters and it’s a downgrade for raw-only shooters.

So I’ll reserve judgement until we see the whole package. But it would seem that there is a tide of negative opinion from people who are happy to judge it without knowing the details 😉
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At the risk, as usual of repeating myself. I have the impression that the threaded view functionality is not the best solution for a continous discussion. Sorry, OT.
 
It is nice for people who have no ability to switch it in the normal ways that Fuji has offered on all they other cameras. Including the ways you can assign it to something else.

Me? I think it is a waste. And what happens, or how do you, do film sim bracketing? That might melt these peoples mind.

And what if they ever add a new film sim through. firmware update? Send you a new button?
 
It is nice for people who have no ability to switch it in the normal ways that Fuji has offered on all they other cameras. Including the ways you can assign it to something else.
Could equally be said about the drive dial of course 😉
And what if they ever add a new film sim through. firmware update? Send you a new button?
Well, they couldn’t add a film sim without a firmware update, and there are three positions on the dial where it could be used (along with the 12 other film sims that don’t have dedicated space on the dial).
 
Well I have to be honest and say that I change film simulations far more often than I change drive modes. I think I’d have to live with it a bit before I could say for sure that I like it better.
If this rumor is true, then Fujifilm obviously didn't design this camera for RAW shooters.
Yeah, in my many years of using Fujis, I have not once used Film sims in camera. I shoot RAW only.

I hope they make it programmable so it can be programmed to something useful for RAW shooters. Otherwise it's a waste of a perfectly good dial for us RAW shooters.

I'm possibly thinking of this as a replacement form XE4 - becuase i want better controls and like the AF improvements in this generation.
 
Deeply horrible change IMO. Huge disadvantage to serious photographers, both because film sims are useless if you shoot RAW, and because having quick, convenient and reliable access to the drive modes is very important if you are shooting action/wildlife. Also being able to switch to video in a hurry is very important (an entire dial on the X-T4/5!!!)

This single-handedly makes me reconsider my plan to insta-preorder the camera. Along with the price, it makes the X-T5, despite being heavier than I want, look like a good deal all of a sudden. I don't even want an ISO dial, but having a film sim dial always there being completely worthless is offensive to me.

Am I being fussy? Yes. Why do I even buy Fuji cameras in the first place rather than cheaper technically-superior full frame cameras? Because I am fussy.

We haven't seen the whole camera yet


This is still just a rumor, so I wish I could think it's fake, but it seems real.

Still, it's possible there's another drive wheel on the camera somewhere, such as if it replaced the "auto" toggle switch under the shutter speed dial. It's probably not under this film sim dial, because that's where the flash release goes and I doubt they changed that.

If there is a drive wheel, that will help this decision not be such a train wreck, but the film sim wheel is still a really bad choice for serious photographers.

Dials are for quick changes

Suddenly having a fast subject and needing burst mode, or suddenly wanting to capture a video, comes up a lot in my experience.

Suddenly needing to change the film sim without lifting your eye from the viewfinder: Never.

Dials should be for things that you need to change quickly, not for things that you ponderously change when you are feeling bored, and can change in post-processing.

This dial should be customizable

As someone else said, this would be better as a blank dial because film sims are 100% useless to RAW shooters, though personally a drive dial strikes me as worthwhile.

We can dream that they will do the right thing with this dumb film sim dial and allow us to get the same effect as a "blank dial" by customizing it to act that way.

With the "C" position, it definitely looks like a wheel that can spin forever, so they should let us make it into a third generic wheel who's outcome we see on the screen. Letting us customize it this way would mean we also regain a custom button from elsewhere on the camera, since most of us probably have that "most important other thing" on a button somewhere.

I would probably make it control ISO, e.g. to shift between the three auto-iso modes by turning the dial.

You could also have it control drive mode, assuming there's no other physical control for that.

AF modes (wide/zone/point) would be another option you could switch between using the dial.

Honestly if they work that out, it will save this dial in my mind. Yeah it's ugly but as long as it's useful, I can forgive it.

Of course, they could have done the same with the drive dial if they thought it was useless, but they did this instead. I don't think they'll make this dial configurable, only that they absolutely should.

Hope the people who like this change really love it, because for those of us that use Fuji cameras as tools, this is a really big downgrade and waste of space.
Customer who wants unmarked dial may already want to use a6700 instead, I think X-T50 is a great fun camera
 
Hate it.

As a RAW shooter, not only do I never change film sims but, if I did, I'd still much rather press a single button to scroll through a list of customized recipe presets anyway, not waste a dial that already had a useful purpose to what? Scroll through some of the basic sims?

This, of course, means those Drive Dial settings will now have to be assigned to a (likely non-existent) new customizable button.

Beyond stupid. And now they haven't completely ruined just the X-E cameras, but now the X-Txx cameras too.

I haven't even seen what they've done (or haven't done) with the rear panel yet, but I'm already pretty sure that I wouldn't trade my old X-T20 for this thing.

Disappointed, again.
Perhaps they put their XE4 UI design team on it?!?
 
Perhaps they put their XE4 UI design team on it?!?
Or the design team for any of the X-E series. Or the X-Pro. Or the X100. None of them have mode dials. They’re probably all rubbish cameras 🙂
 
I agree, but to be honest I wasn't going to buy X-T50. Anyway, after bad (IMHO) design of H2 bodies, this one is another example of bizarre UI design. X-T20 was my first X body and I liked it much more than X-T30. I don't understand Fujifilm strategy, I would expect X-T50 to be mini X-T5 with worse EVF, no WR, one card slot in battery compartment etc. Meanwhile it seems to be another UI experiment and this camera is rather for JPEG shooters... Maybe it came from their market analysis, but I think X-T line should be classic with consistent UX and such experiments should be tested on X-S line.

In general I don't like the overall direction in Fujifilm body design and I'm afraid next X-H body might be not acceptable to me. Apparently I'm not a typical target anymore.

Cheers,

Artur
 
Customer who wants unmarked dial may already want to use a6700 instead, I think X-T50 is a great fun camera
FWIW I didn't say it should be unmarked, just that that would be better than what they've done with it. It should be marked and it should have the most important control possible, not something useless to a huge percentage (maybe majority) of users who shoot RAW.

Second place after having something good on there is making it configurable so you can ignore the label and spin it as a custom wheel. We'll see if they are smart enough to make it work that way.
 
Hate it.

As a RAW shooter, not only do I never change film sims but, if I did, I'd still much rather press a single button to scroll through a list of customized recipe presets anyway, not waste a dial that already had a useful purpose to what? Scroll through some of the basic sims?

This, of course, means those Drive Dial settings will now have to be assigned to a (likely non-existent) new customizable button.

Beyond stupid. And now they haven't completely ruined just the X-E cameras, but now the X-Txx cameras too.

I haven't even seen what they've done (or haven't done) with the rear panel yet, but I'm already pretty sure that I wouldn't trade my old X-T20 for this thing.

Disappointed, again.
Perhaps they put their XE4 UI design team on it?!?
Maybe, or possibly the AF development team, they weren’t busy doing anything else productive, apparently. :)
 
Maybe it came from their market analysis, but I think X-T line should be classic with consistent UX and such experiments should be tested on X-S line.
Thing is, you know where I think this dial would be the most perfect thing? On a Leica M-D. You know, the ones with no screen. Just an ISO dial, a shutter speed dial, and a button.

They only record raw, but adding a JPEG engine controlled by a dial like this would be utterly analogous to swapping film.

Honestly, I think if you stripped away all the other controls and left just this one*, its value would become completely obvious.

As it stands, it’s like just about every camera other than a Leica: the number of available interactions exceed the number of controls by orders of magnitude, which means you can’t please everyone.

* and call it the X-Pro4, please 🙂
 
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