Maybe Greg is right and real cameras are doomed...

My sister had an MG Midget restored before selling it on at a profit. She let me drive it once. I got about 100yrds down the road before pulling over and abandoning it. Terrifying at 5mph. Why on earth anyone today would want to drive one is beyond me. Unbelievably crude.
 
My sister had an MG Midget restored before selling it on at a profit. She let me drive it once. I got about 100yrds down the road before pulling over and abandoning it. Terrifying at 5mph. Why on earth anyone today would want to drive one is beyond me. Unbelievably crude.
Smaller, but not much cruder than an MG-TD, MGA, or MGB. But definitely crude. I had a Mk II not a bugeye (or frogeye where you are), but it still had sliding plastic windows, a top that you assembled like an erector set, no self-cancelling turn signals, etc. And then there were those SUs.
 
Hi,

Well, Jim is running GTP and all I have is a wheezy, worn out Lotus Seven. ;)
I've never driven a 7, but I understand that they are great fun. I had a Sprite once that was great fun until I rolled it.
Rolled a Sprite? And lived to tell about it!? The angels were watching.
They sure were.
You had a roll bar, yes?
Unfortunately, no.
I had your car's evil twin - MG Midget.
We used to call them collectively Spridgets.
Death traps, they were. Primitive British engineering personified.
When I wound come down Page Mill Road early on a Sunday morning, in esses the floorboards would pop under my feet like a cricket toy.
I rebuilt almost everything in that POS. Leather disks acted as suspension vibration dampeners! ("Shocks")

Need to replace the clutch? Simple, just remove the hood, er, bonnet, and pull the radiator and engine!
And synching the SU carbs was no fun, either.
The d*mn crank cases leaked a pint of oil a day. My dad threatened to dis-own me when I parked the car in his driveway and created a large black stain over night.

We used to joke about the difference between a Porsche and a British car -

The British machined the mating surfaces of two cast iron pieces, added massive gaskets, pounds of gasket seal, and bolted them together every half inch. The thing still leaked like a sieve.

The Germans machined the mating surfaces of two cast iron pieces, bolted them together just like that, every 75mm, and not a drop of oil ever escaped.
 
My sister had an MG Midget restored before selling it on at a profit. She let me drive it once. I got about 100yrds down the road before pulling over and abandoning it. Terrifying at 5mph. Why on earth anyone today would want to drive one is beyond me. Unbelievably crude.
Smaller, but not much cruder than an MG-TD, MGA, or MGB. But definitely crude. I had a Mk II not a bugeye (or frogeye where you are), but it still had sliding plastic windows, a top that you assembled like an erector set, no self-cancelling turn signals, etc. And then there were those SUs.
My dad loved the SU carb, said it was simple to repair. He had a Morris Oxford. I learned to drive in a Toyota Starlet, then because I had no car of my own, once I have my licence, I drove the Oxford. Also unbelievably crude, but with leather seats.
 
Scottish landscape photographer Bruce Percy, whose work I am a fan of, is also an occasional travel portraitist. He may be an even better portrait photographer than landscaper.

In a blog post yesterday https://brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2024/4/23/hos-paillacar-gaucho-patagonia, he talked about a project he was mulling over to shoot portraits of Patagonian gauchos. He is a committed medium format film shooter, uses Velvia and Portra.

He shot this test shot on his iPhone

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I can't help but feel that I had coaxed this out of any camera, much less a phone, I'd be pretty happy.

He has a (film) portrait section on his website:

https://brucepercy.co.uk/portraiture
Everything is beautifully perfect: the colors, the contrast, the sharpness, the friendly, discreetly smiling man: a picture from paradise. Or set up for National Geographic.
But never ever what we see and photograph in reality.
The question is always: what do we want? And everyone has their own idea.
I swear that shot looks like an AI generated cartoon. No disrespect to the photographer. That is probably what he was going for. Are you sure that is an actual image and not animation? That was taken with a phone stuck a foot from his face? Probably a candid photo shot as a surprise. LOL.

I'm not knocking it. It looks pretty cool.

But to get a shot like that you have to take pictures of people up real close and set it up perfectly with some lights or a window just right..... Shoot 100 shots. Pick the best one, then Photoshop the absolute Hell out of it.

But it's a nice shot. Really with a phone? If that is a candid street shot I will give you all my gear for free,

But I like it....
Quote from Bruce's blog

"The shot above is a quick mock up with my iPhone. Hosé was very kind and posed for me inside his kitchen. I found the three gauchos I visited today to be very funny guys. Lots of humour, and also very hard working. Their homes were very rustic and had a lot of character to them. I so wished I had brought some reflectors with me to help with the light, but we got by, re-arranging things in the houses a little to make use of the available light."

And here's what you get when you take a normal snap with a phone in the ordinary way that most phones are shot: From https://brucepercy.co.uk/blog/2024/4/25/gaucho-shoot-is-complete

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I'm looking forward to seeing the finished film shots.

Some more examples of his older medium format film work:

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All from Bruce Percy, Portraiture https://brucepercy.co.uk/portraiture
All absolutely marvellous pictures.
Every amateur wishes they were capable of taking pictures like these.
Until one day he realises: there are thousands of such pictures in his inexperienced database. His only problem: he doesn't know how to use Photoshop and the AI tools.
 
I really like them but with AI, stuff like this is going to be everywhere.

But it is nice to look at. It is art portrait work and a whole lot of post processing, replacing, switching, substitution, color adding, and everything else you can think of.

It is what is happening now.

I saw some landscapes of Lake Como (we are there now) in a gallery today and I don't trust any of them. They switched skies, added massive over-done reflections, super saturated everything, and added detail to mountains while doing who knows what else....

They looked like a cross between oil paintings, cartoons and some kind of beautiful unrealistic impressionist art.

Not much resolution. Everything muted but with amazing added color.

I'll shoot all day tomorrow and not get anything like it.

Today, driving on a super-windy (dangerous) tiny mountain road (SP 62) from the high mountain down to Ballano on Lake Como, I was almost all the way down and shot this out the window of my rented Mercedes sedan (need an SUV) with the Q3 with one hand.

One version B&W - the tother in color. I didn't do much. 30 seconds in LR.

It was foggy, raining and overcast, but the sun was trying to pop through but didn't.



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Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
Of course, the thread is tongue in cheek and Bruce presented this as a test shot; as I said he is a medium format film photographer. But I think it does show that a good shot often has little to do with the equipment it was shot on, and a lot more to do with the photographer. We can get so hung up on the gear, we forget that.

To me, for general purpose photography where you don't need specialist gear, better cameras just mean bigger print capability. I have only printed a couple of shots from a phone: one was from an ancient 4MP phone camera and it prints great to about 8"x6", the other from my current budget Motorola G30. That printed very nicely to A3 and I could see no obvious flaws. Phone photography is not for me (other than for snaps), for various reasons, but modern phones are surprisingly capable even for medium size prints.
I absolutely agree, yet it invokes reactions like "a sports car doesn't make one a race car driver" - first of all nobody said that it would, second a race car driver still needs a sports car in order to learn how to drive a race car, practise and gain experience... and lastly - photography is not a "race". (Though if it was you wouldn't want to compete against others in a tricycle.)

I'm just saying that while the gear isn't that important but it's also not completely irrelevant.
I don't know why some of you guys spend a small fortune on GFX and Hassy gear if you really think the way this thread is insinuating. I know why I do. I can see the clear advantages in several areas, and I enjoy it.

Why would someone come on the MF Forum and start telling us that the only advantage to MF is printing really big, that we don't need it, that any camera can take a nice picture and this latest gem - that a 12 MP 17-year-old mid-level DSLR from the digital Stone Age is just as good?

Why do people read the MF Board that don't like Hassy or GFX? Why do some feel the need to constantly tell us that the advantages are minimal or non-existent except in certain rather obscure usages?

Would any of you go on a yachting forum and start lecturing how you were considering buying a yacht but that a 30-foot center console is just as good? Would you go onto an Italian Over-Under Custom Shotgun Forum and start preaching that a 900-dollar Remington 870 is just as good at busting clays and killing doves?

Would you go onto the Sony forum and start preaching that the Fuji APSC X-Series is just as good and why get FF?

Would you enter the Porsche or any high-end car forum and start Pontificating about how a VW Golf will get you there at the same time with the same speed limits as a 500,000-dollar Maserati?

It is rampant on this Forum. It is disheartening. If you don't like shooting GFX and Hassy then why bother here? If you already tried it, don't like it and regret the expensive purchase then why post about it here? Especially repeatedly and constantly?

I don't think that many people who bought GFX and/or Hassy regret it. I know of two for sure. I also can name 55 guys here who don't regret it.
 
He shot this test shot on his iPhone

Hos%C3%A9.jpg


I can't help but feel that I had coaxed this out of any camera, much less a phone, I'd be pretty happy.
Based on this sample, I think it is fair to say that big cameras are far to be doomed ;-)
Cheers,

Max

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He shot this test shot on his iPhone

Hos%C3%A9.jpg


I can't help but feel that I had coaxed this out of any camera, much less a phone, I'd be pretty happy.
Based on this sample, I think it is fair to say that big cameras are far to be doomed ;-)

Cheers,

Max
Depends on the calibration of the group flavour.
10,000 flies can't be wrong.
 
He shot this test shot on his iPhone

Hos%C3%A9.jpg


I can't help but feel that I had coaxed this out of any camera, much less a phone, I'd be pretty happy.
Based on this sample, I think it is fair to say that big cameras are far to be doomed ;-)

Cheers,

Max
Why? What do you think is wrong with it?

Viewed using the original size link, it look as good as any photo I've seen to me. Does it look worse than any McCurry? Not to me.

Persuade me there is a problem with it....

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Of course, the thread is tongue in cheek and Bruce presented this as a test shot; as I said he is a medium format film photographer. But I think it does show that a good shot often has little to do with the equipment it was shot on, and a lot more to do with the photographer. We can get so hung up on the gear, we forget that.

To me, for general purpose photography where you don't need specialist gear, better cameras just mean bigger print capability. I have only printed a couple of shots from a phone: one was from an ancient 4MP phone camera and it prints great to about 8"x6", the other from my current budget Motorola G30. That printed very nicely to A3 and I could see no obvious flaws. Phone photography is not for me (other than for snaps), for various reasons, but modern phones are surprisingly capable even for medium size prints.
I absolutely agree, yet it invokes reactions like "a sports car doesn't make one a race car driver" - first of all nobody said that it would, second a race car driver still needs a sports car in order to learn how to drive a race car, practise and gain experience... and lastly - photography is not a "race". (Though if it was you wouldn't want to compete against others in a tricycle.)

I'm just saying that while the gear isn't that important but it's also not completely irrelevant.
I don't know why some of you guys spend a small fortune on GFX and Hassy gear if you really think the way this thread is insinuating. I know why I do. I can see the clear advantages in several areas, and I enjoy it.

Why would someone come on the MF Forum and start telling us that the only advantage to MF is printing really big, that we don't need it, that any camera can take a nice picture and this latest gem - that a 12 MP 17-year-old mid-level DSLR from the digital Stone Age is just as good?

Why do people read the MF Board that don't like Hassy or GFX? Why do some feel the need to constantly tell us that the advantages are minimal or non-existent except in certain rather obscure usages?

Would any of you go on a yachting forum and start lecturing how you were considering buying a yacht but that a 30-foot center console is just as good? Would you go onto an Italian Over-Under Custom Shotgun Forum and start preaching that a 900-dollar Remington 870 is just as good at busting clays and killing doves?

Would you go onto the Sony forum and start preaching that the Fuji APSC X-Series is just as good and why get FF?

Would you enter the Porsche or any high-end car forum and start Pontificating about how a VW Golf will get you there at the same time with the same speed limits as a 500,000-dollar Maserati?

It is rampant on this Forum. It is disheartening. If you don't like shooting GFX and Hassy then why bother here? If you already tried it, don't like it and regret the expensive purchase then why post about it here? Especially repeatedly and constantly?

I don't think that many people who bought GFX and/or Hassy regret it. I know of two for sure. I also can name 55 guys here who don't regret it.
I regret getting rid of my GFX 50R. Even though my Z7 II is arguably just as good at
It's not. Smaller sensor. Why do you think we are spending on GFX?
and better for action, I find the GFX works better for me. Aspect ratio, handling, etc all suit me. I am on the hunt for another one to complement my GFX 100S.
 
Of course, the thread is tongue in cheek and Bruce presented this as a test shot; as I said he is a medium format film photographer. But I think it does show that a good shot often has little to do with the equipment it was shot on, and a lot more to do with the photographer. We can get so hung up on the gear, we forget that.

To me, for general purpose photography where you don't need specialist gear, better cameras just mean bigger print capability. I have only printed a couple of shots from a phone: one was from an ancient 4MP phone camera and it prints great to about 8"x6", the other from my current budget Motorola G30. That printed very nicely to A3 and I could see no obvious flaws. Phone photography is not for me (other than for snaps), for various reasons, but modern phones are surprisingly capable even for medium size prints.
I absolutely agree, yet it invokes reactions like "a sports car doesn't make one a race car driver" - first of all nobody said that it would, second a race car driver still needs a sports car in order to learn how to drive a race car, practise and gain experience... and lastly - photography is not a "race". (Though if it was you wouldn't want to compete against others in a tricycle.)

I'm just saying that while the gear isn't that important but it's also not completely irrelevant.
I don't know why some of you guys spend a small fortune on GFX and Hassy gear if you really think the way this thread is insinuating. I know why I do. I can see the clear advantages in several areas, and I enjoy it.

Why would someone come on the MF Forum and start telling us that the only advantage to MF is printing really big, that we don't need it, that any camera can take a nice picture and this latest gem - that a 12 MP 17-year-old mid-level DSLR from the digital Stone Age is just as good?

Why do people read the MF Board that don't like Hassy or GFX? Why do some feel the need to constantly tell us that the advantages are minimal or non-existent except in certain rather obscure usages?

Would any of you go on a yachting forum and start lecturing how you were considering buying a yacht but that a 30-foot center console is just as good? Would you go onto an Italian Over-Under Custom Shotgun Forum and start preaching that a 900-dollar Remington 870 is just as good at busting clays and killing doves?

Would you go onto the Sony forum and start preaching that the Fuji APSC X-Series is just as good and why get FF?

Would you enter the Porsche or any high-end car forum and start Pontificating about how a VW Golf will get you there at the same time with the same speed limits as a 500,000-dollar Maserati?

It is rampant on this Forum. It is disheartening. If you don't like shooting GFX and Hassy then why bother here? If you already tried it, don't like it and regret the expensive purchase then why post about it here? Especially repeatedly and constantly?

I don't think that many people who bought GFX and/or Hassy regret it. I know of two for sure. I also can name 55 guys here who don't regret it.
I regret getting rid of my GFX 50R. Even though my Z7 II is arguably just as good at
It's not. Smaller sensor. Why do you think we are spending on GFX?
and better for action, I find the GFX works better for me. Aspect ratio, handling, etc all suit me. I am on the hunt for another one to complement my GFX 100S.
 
Of course, the thread is tongue in cheek and Bruce presented this as a test shot; as I said he is a medium format film photographer. But I think it does show that a good shot often has little to do with the equipment it was shot on, and a lot more to do with the photographer. We can get so hung up on the gear, we forget that.

To me, for general purpose photography where you don't need specialist gear, better cameras just mean bigger print capability. I have only printed a couple of shots from a phone: one was from an ancient 4MP phone camera and it prints great to about 8"x6", the other from my current budget Motorola G30. That printed very nicely to A3 and I could see no obvious flaws. Phone photography is not for me (other than for snaps), for various reasons, but modern phones are surprisingly capable even for medium size prints.
I absolutely agree, yet it invokes reactions like "a sports car doesn't make one a race car driver" - first of all nobody said that it would, second a race car driver still needs a sports car in order to learn how to drive a race car, practise and gain experience... and lastly - photography is not a "race". (Though if it was you wouldn't want to compete against others in a tricycle.)

I'm just saying that while the gear isn't that important but it's also not completely irrelevant.
I don't know why some of you guys spend a small fortune on GFX and Hassy gear if you really think the way this thread is insinuating. I know why I do. I can see the clear advantages in several areas, and I enjoy it.

Why would someone come on the MF Forum and start telling us that the only advantage to MF is printing really big, that we don't need it, that any camera can take a nice picture and this latest gem - that a 12 MP 17-year-old mid-level DSLR from the digital Stone Age is just as good?

Why do people read the MF Board that don't like Hassy or GFX? Why do some feel the need to constantly tell us that the advantages are minimal or non-existent except in certain rather obscure usages?

Would any of you go on a yachting forum and start lecturing how you were considering buying a yacht but that a 30-foot center console is just as good? Would you go onto an Italian Over-Under Custom Shotgun Forum and start preaching that a 900-dollar Remington 870 is just as good at busting clays and killing doves?

Would you go onto the Sony forum and start preaching that the Fuji APSC X-Series is just as good and why get FF?

Would you enter the Porsche or any high-end car forum and start Pontificating about how a VW Golf will get you there at the same time with the same speed limits as a 500,000-dollar Maserati?

It is rampant on this Forum. It is disheartening. If you don't like shooting GFX and Hassy then why bother here? If you already tried it, don't like it and regret the expensive purchase then why post about it here? Especially repeatedly and constantly?

I don't think that many people who bought GFX and/or Hassy regret it. I know of two for sure. I also can name 55 guys here who don't regret it.
I regret getting rid of my GFX 50R. Even though my Z7 II is arguably just as good at
It's not. Smaller sensor. Why do you think we are spending on GFX?
and better for action, I find the GFX works better for me. Aspect ratio, handling, etc all suit me. I am on the hunt for another one to complement my GFX 100S.
Partially offset by the lower base ISO (64). You have to be more careful with highlights, but I can get pretty close to my older GFX 50R with the Z7 II. Having said that, once the ISO goes up, yeah, visible difference.
Close? Close is relative. A phone is close for some. If it really were "close," GFX and Hassy would be dead.
 
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Of course, the thread is tongue in cheek and Bruce presented this as a test shot; as I said he is a medium format film photographer. But I think it does show that a good shot often has little to do with the equipment it was shot on, and a lot more to do with the photographer. We can get so hung up on the gear, we forget that.

To me, for general purpose photography where you don't need specialist gear, better cameras just mean bigger print capability. I have only printed a couple of shots from a phone: one was from an ancient 4MP phone camera and it prints great to about 8"x6", the other from my current budget Motorola G30. That printed very nicely to A3 and I could see no obvious flaws. Phone photography is not for me (other than for snaps), for various reasons, but modern phones are surprisingly capable even for medium size prints.
I absolutely agree, yet it invokes reactions like "a sports car doesn't make one a race car driver" - first of all nobody said that it would, second a race car driver still needs a sports car in order to learn how to drive a race car, practise and gain experience... and lastly - photography is not a "race". (Though if it was you wouldn't want to compete against others in a tricycle.)

I'm just saying that while the gear isn't that important but it's also not completely irrelevant.
I don't know why some of you guys spend a small fortune on GFX and Hassy gear if you really think the way this thread is insinuating. I know why I do. I can see the clear advantages in several areas, and I enjoy it.

Why would someone come on the MF Forum and start telling us that the only advantage to MF is printing really big, that we don't need it, that any camera can take a nice picture and this latest gem - that a 12 MP 17-year-old mid-level DSLR from the digital Stone Age is just as good?

Why do people read the MF Board that don't like Hassy or GFX? Why do some feel the need to constantly tell us that the advantages are minimal or non-existent except in certain rather obscure usages?

Would any of you go on a yachting forum and start lecturing how you were considering buying a yacht but that a 30-foot center console is just as good? Would you go onto an Italian Over-Under Custom Shotgun Forum and start preaching that a 900-dollar Remington 870 is just as good at busting clays and killing doves?

Would you go onto the Sony forum and start preaching that the Fuji APSC X-Series is just as good and why get FF?

Would you enter the Porsche or any high-end car forum and start Pontificating about how a VW Golf will get you there at the same time with the same speed limits as a 500,000-dollar Maserati?

It is rampant on this Forum. It is disheartening. If you don't like shooting GFX and Hassy then why bother here? If you already tried it, don't like it and regret the expensive purchase then why post about it here? Especially repeatedly and constantly?

I don't think that many people who bought GFX and/or Hassy regret it. I know of two for sure. I also can name 55 guys here who don't regret it.
I regret getting rid of my GFX 50R. Even though my Z7 II is arguably just as good at
It's not. Smaller sensor. Why do you think we are spending on GFX?
and better for action, I find the GFX works better for me. Aspect ratio, handling, etc all suit me. I am on the hunt for another one to complement my GFX 100S.
Partially offset by the lower base ISO (64). You have to be more careful with highlights, but I can get pretty close to my older GFX 50R with the Z7 II. Having said that, once the ISO goes up, yeah, visible difference.
Close? Close is relative. A phone is close for some. If it really were "close," GFX and Hassy would be dead.
This is a line you like to repeat a lot that makes no sense. GFX and Hassleblad being expensive and selling successfully is not proof that they are better than other cameras. They might be or they might not, the price and success tell you nothing either way, there is no point in repeating it as if it proved anything.

There are many products that are expensive and sell well without actually being the best. For example, in the 1980s and 1990s high end British hifi manufacturers Linn and Naim were top of the range UK manufacturers with impeccable reputations for quality and superiority and they charged for it. There are a number of very high end US companies that held similar sway in your country. But with the passage of time and proper technical testing it has now become clear that it was smoke and mirrors and these products were not as good as was thought at the time - in fact a large number of lesser ranked products from common or garden Japanese companies were technically and sonically superior. But Linn and Naim had a massive marketing machine and, crucially the hifi magazines who taught customers what to buy, on their side. And so the mythological brands were created. This is one example, there are many others. Price and success might suggest quality, but they don't guarantee it or prove it. There are plenty of expensive and successful disappointments out there.

The way to be confident that GFX and Hassie are superior is not to come up with a bunch of extraneous by the way assertions that prove nothing, but simply to directly compare them to the products you say they beat. That's the only meaningful way. Something DPR actually did at great length when the compared the GFX50 to FF and found little improvement over the FF. You didn't like those results, but you are not going to debunk or overthrow them by throwing out lines about sales success, you need to address the findings themselves directly.

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He shot this test shot on his iPhone

Hos%C3%A9.jpg


I can't help but feel that I had coaxed this out of any camera, much less a phone, I'd be pretty happy.
Based on this sample, I think it is fair to say that big cameras are far to be doomed ;-)

Cheers,

Max
Why? What do you think is wrong with it?
(i) harsh processing with heavy vignetting

(ii) heavy contrast with no smooth transition

(iii) skin tones are (very) ugly

(iv) poor colors

Cell phones are probably great for sharing quick snapshots with friends & family, but as far as I am concerned that's about it.
Viewed using the original size link, it look as good as any photo I've seen to me. Does it look worse than any McCurry? Not to me.
Seriously!

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Persuade me there is a problem with it....
See above. The Afghan girl contains the recipe for the "perfect" portrait, whereas the shot above is flawed on so many levels (see (i)-(iv)). No comparisons to be made!

As for McCurry, even though I am not necessarily a huge fan, he has made some superb photographs.

https://www.thecollector.com/photographs-steve-mccurry/

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Of course, the thread is tongue in cheek and Bruce presented this as a test shot; as I said he is a medium format film photographer. But I think it does show that a good shot often has little to do with the equipment it was shot on, and a lot more to do with the photographer. We can get so hung up on the gear, we forget that.

To me, for general purpose photography where you don't need specialist gear, better cameras just mean bigger print capability. I have only printed a couple of shots from a phone: one was from an ancient 4MP phone camera and it prints great to about 8"x6", the other from my current budget Motorola G30. That printed very nicely to A3 and I could see no obvious flaws. Phone photography is not for me (other than for snaps), for various reasons, but modern phones are surprisingly capable even for medium size prints.
I absolutely agree, yet it invokes reactions like "a sports car doesn't make one a race car driver" - first of all nobody said that it would, second a race car driver still needs a sports car in order to learn how to drive a race car, practise and gain experience... and lastly - photography is not a "race". (Though if it was you wouldn't want to compete against others in a tricycle.)

I'm just saying that while the gear isn't that important but it's also not completely irrelevant.
I don't know why some of you guys spend a small fortune on GFX and Hassy gear if you really think the way this thread is insinuating. I know why I do. I can see the clear advantages in several areas, and I enjoy it.

Why would someone come on the MF Forum and start telling us that the only advantage to MF is printing really big, that we don't need it, that any camera can take a nice picture and this latest gem - that a 12 MP 17-year-old mid-level DSLR from the digital Stone Age is just as good?

Why do people read the MF Board that don't like Hassy or GFX? Why do some feel the need to constantly tell us that the advantages are minimal or non-existent except in certain rather obscure usages?

Would any of you go on a yachting forum and start lecturing how you were considering buying a yacht but that a 30-foot center console is just as good? Would you go onto an Italian Over-Under Custom Shotgun Forum and start preaching that a 900-dollar Remington 870 is just as good at busting clays and killing doves?

Would you go onto the Sony forum and start preaching that the Fuji APSC X-Series is just as good and why get FF?

Would you enter the Porsche or any high-end car forum and start Pontificating about how a VW Golf will get you there at the same time with the same speed limits as a 500,000-dollar Maserati?

It is rampant on this Forum. It is disheartening. If you don't like shooting GFX and Hassy then why bother here? If you already tried it, don't like it and regret the expensive purchase then why post about it here? Especially repeatedly and constantly?

I don't think that many people who bought GFX and/or Hassy regret it. I know of two for sure. I also can name 55 guys here who don't regret it.
I regret getting rid of my GFX 50R. Even though my Z7 II is arguably just as good at
It's not. Smaller sensor. Why do you think we are spending on GFX?
and better for action, I find the GFX works better for me. Aspect ratio, handling, etc all suit me. I am on the hunt for another one to complement my GFX 100S.
Partially offset by the lower base ISO (64). You have to be more careful with highlights, but I can get pretty close to my older GFX 50R with the Z7 II. Having said that, once the ISO goes up, yeah, visible difference.
Close? Close is relative. A phone is close for some. If it really were "close," GFX and Hassy would be dead.
Don't forget the IBIS offset if the comparison is Z7ii vs. GFX50r. Between those two I'd have to go Z7ii just on that basis despite preferring GFX50r's body style and traditional dials.

Z7ii vs. GFX50s ii, different calculus.
 
Partially offset by the lower base ISO (64). You have to be more careful with highlights, but I can get pretty close to my older GFX 50R with the Z7 II. Having said that, once the ISO goes up, yeah, visible difference.
Close? Close is relative. A phone is close for some. If it really were "close," GFX and Hassy would be dead.
How quickly we forget...
 

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