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G3 Dilemma
- Thread starter d70ex
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Seriously, who cares! I can't figure out why people feel they need to post these kinds of messages to the forum other then for the fact you feel you need to justify your reasons.
I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
i apologized if this indeed offends u. however, everything means something, and at the very least. don't you understand the term "freedom of speech"? this forum has been so good for us to share our experience--good or bad, so we won't make the same mistake in the future. i don't understand why you are taking this so serious and offensive. you could easily discard it if you are offended.
http://www.pbase.com/brianl
--I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
http://www.pbase.com/brianl
Dr. Geoffrey Britt
Active member
I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
---
Doc Geoff
Why would you want to discourage those who may find the G3 to be a wonderful camera? A camera that exceeds expectations? I am glad I didn't find a post such as your before I bought my G3. I would not trade it for ten SLR's or digital cameras. It is better than I imagined. Light years ahead of the digital I replaced.
Anyway, good luck returning to film. I hope you are very happy tpgether.
DocGeoff
It might be useful if you described some of the problems with the G3 that you find intolerable. Perhaps someone can actually help you with them, if they are not merely the product of unmet expectations. I bought a G3 recently just to get back into photography and I'm having a great time with it.I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
Roger
You are the one who seems to misunderstand that term, but then again, many other prople are plagued by the same misunderstanding.
It's not legally guaranteed right in many nations, but in the US, the relevant part of the Constitution reads as follows:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
"Freedom of speech" means that you have the right to say what you want about what you want, without interference from the government, but it doesn't mean that a news paper, TV station, internet message board, etc. has an obligation to let you say it through their medium, nor that anyone has an obligation to listen to you express your views, nor that you have a right to spray paint your views on someone's property (and that also includes public property).
Nor are you protected from others that don't agree with what you say using their "freedom of speech", or freedom of expression, in economic retaliation against you (by choosing not to buy your music, watch your movies or TV shows, shop in your stores, and so forth), which is as it should be. If you choose to open your mouth, you should be prepared for rection to it, for after all, expressing their reaction to your views is their right as well. If you can dish it out, be prepared for the return wave.
It's not legally guaranteed right in many nations, but in the US, the relevant part of the Constitution reads as follows:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
"Freedom of speech" means that you have the right to say what you want about what you want, without interference from the government, but it doesn't mean that a news paper, TV station, internet message board, etc. has an obligation to let you say it through their medium, nor that anyone has an obligation to listen to you express your views, nor that you have a right to spray paint your views on someone's property (and that also includes public property).
Nor are you protected from others that don't agree with what you say using their "freedom of speech", or freedom of expression, in economic retaliation against you (by choosing not to buy your music, watch your movies or TV shows, shop in your stores, and so forth), which is as it should be. If you choose to open your mouth, you should be prepared for rection to it, for after all, expressing their reaction to your views is their right as well. If you can dish it out, be prepared for the return wave.
don't you understand the term "freedom of speech"?
ralph m
Leading Member
I have had a G3 for several months. The more I use it, the more I appreciate what it can do. Dollar for dollar, it is very hard to beat a G3 and and the G5's are getting more attractive as well. I would not hesitate to recommend it to a friend.. I would also tell him/her to stay away from Ebay for equipment like this. Waiting for the next generation... ?? The only thing that you can be sure of is a higher price tag.
REM
--I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
REM
Man-Fai Wong
Veteran Member
Personally, if I were Brian, I would've kept his post in his other discussion thread, instead of starting a new one just to say this.
Still, I don't see anything wrong w/ showing some disappointment in the G3 (and more importantly, the current generation of non-SLR digicams). The G series is not the cheapest thing in the world afterall, and there are flaws w/ it that really should've been addressed in the G5, if not the G3. They may be the best for the $$$, but still far from perfect really even if you discount Brian's main disappointment w/ the high DoF of these digicams.
I like my G3 quite well, but know it's flawed nonetheless and also cannot do certain things at all. And while it's light years ahead of my previous digicam, I too yearn for a DSLR. But the technology is still maturing and good DSLRs are very expensive, and I don't want to wait forever. Maybe in a couple years, good DSLRs will come down into G series price range. We shall see...
Man
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
Still, I don't see anything wrong w/ showing some disappointment in the G3 (and more importantly, the current generation of non-SLR digicams). The G series is not the cheapest thing in the world afterall, and there are flaws w/ it that really should've been addressed in the G5, if not the G3. They may be the best for the $$$, but still far from perfect really even if you discount Brian's main disappointment w/ the high DoF of these digicams.
I like my G3 quite well, but know it's flawed nonetheless and also cannot do certain things at all. And while it's light years ahead of my previous digicam, I too yearn for a DSLR. But the technology is still maturing and good DSLRs are very expensive, and I don't want to wait forever. Maybe in a couple years, good DSLRs will come down into G series price range. We shall see...
Man
--I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.---
Doc Geoff
Why would you want to discourage those who may find the G3 to be a
wonderful camera? A camera that exceeds expectations? I am glad I
didn't find a post such as your before I bought my G3. I would not
trade it for ten SLR's or digital cameras. It is better than I
imagined. Light years ahead of the digital I replaced.
Anyway, good luck returning to film. I hope you are very happy
tpgether.
DocGeoff
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
MarekM
Leading Member
MarekM wrote:
Civis could not be more right, particularly in view of the title to your post "G3 dilemma", (where is that dilemma, by the way?).
Rgds
Civis could not be more right, particularly in view of the title to your post "G3 dilemma", (where is that dilemma, by the way?).
Rgds
Man-Fai Wong
Veteran Member
He's mostly disappointed w/ the high DoF, ie. can't easily blur backgrounds, based on his other recent thread.
Really nothing you can do about that w/ current non-SLR digicams.
Might be other flaws he doesn't like.
Actually, if I already owned a decent film SLR, I might be tempted to return my G3 also when I found out the various flaws/weaknesses. It all depends...
Man
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
Really nothing you can do about that w/ current non-SLR digicams.
Might be other flaws he doesn't like.
Actually, if I already owned a decent film SLR, I might be tempted to return my G3 also when I found out the various flaws/weaknesses. It all depends...
Man
--It might be useful if you described some of the problems with theI've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
G3 that you find intolerable. Perhaps someone can actually help
you with them, if they are not merely the product of unmet
expectations. I bought a G3 recently just to get back into
photography and I'm having a great time with it.
Roger
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
MarekM
Leading Member
The trouble is, all of a sudden, we are all experts in the field of digital cameras. G3 has bad this, wrong that, could be improved......Personally, if I were Brian, I would've kept his post in his other
discussion thread, instead of starting a new one just to say this.
Still, I don't see anything wrong w/ showing some disappointment in
the G3 (and more importantly, the current generation of non-SLR
digicams). The G series is not the cheapest thing in the world
afterall, and there are flaws w/ it that really should've been
addressed in the G5, if not the G3. They may be the best for the
$$$, but still far from perfect really even if you discount Brian's
main disappointment w/ the high DoF of these digicams.
I like my G3 quite well, but know it's flawed nonetheless and also
cannot do certain things at all. And while it's light years ahead
of my previous digicam, I too yearn for a DSLR. But the technology
is still maturing and good DSLRs are very expensive, and I don't
want to wait forever. Maybe in a couple years, good DSLRs will
come down into G series price range. We shall see...
MarekM wrote:
Off course it could , this is what progress is all about. On the other hand, no camera is everything to everybody.
Rgds
Scott Doyle
Senior Member
I think if you had listed your problems you had with the G3, the message might not have been percieved as just venting. I think your message would have been a little more justified had you expressed the problems you had with the G3.
http://www.pbase.com/sdoyle98/best_photos
Canon G3
----I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
http://www.pbase.com/brianl
http://www.pbase.com/sdoyle98/best_photos
Canon G3
Scott Doyle
Senior Member
I second that! (higher price tag)
http://www.pbase.com/sdoyle98/best_photos
Canon G3
----I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
REM
http://www.pbase.com/sdoyle98/best_photos
Canon G3
Man-Fai Wong
Veteran Member
Ah, but you have to admit that Canon should've done better w/ the G5 given that it followed the G3. There was basically zero progress from G3 to G5 -- 1 extra MP w/ the quality tradeoffs is not progress. To me, clearly, the manual focus interface should've been improved to make it more useable/effective. With the way the G5 is, Canon could've released it when they released the G3.The trouble is, all of a sudden, we are all experts in the field of
digital cameras. G3 has bad this, wrong that, could be
improved......
Off course it could , this is what progress is all about. On the
other hand, no camera is everything to everybody.
Anyway, I do agree it's probably the best value in digicams right now, but flaws are flaws -- and it's not like other camera makers haven't done better in certain areas. Anyhoo...
Man
--
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
Mick Ruthven
Senior Member
You'll note that your message has produced a lot of stupid responses. I'm not excusing them but I will say that you contributed to that by not saying just what your problems with the G3 have been. "I've had enough problems with G3" doesn't really say anything. If you truly want some assistance wtih your G3, a camera a lot of people get great pictures with, and which I like a lot (I used 35mm for over 40 years until a year ago), say specifically what your problems have been.
I've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
MarekM
Leading Member
MarekM wrote:Ah, but you have to admit that Canon should've done better w/ the
G5 given that it followed the G3. There was basically zero
progress from G3 to G5 -- 1 extra MP w/ the quality tradeoffs is
not progress. To me, clearly, the manual focus interface should've
been improved to make it more useable/effective. With the way the
G5 is, Canon could've released it when they released the G3.
Anyway, I do agree it's probably the best value in digicams right
now, but flaws are flaws -- and it's not like other camera makers
haven't done better in certain areas. Anyhoo...
You are right about the slow progress from G3 to G5. I think manufacturers trickle down improvements on us, to squeeze more "new" models in between.
The thing is, we do not have to buy it. It makes really for a lame case buying insignificantly upgraded product and then complaining about lack of better features.
Do not buy if you do not like it. Could not be simpler.
On manual focus, I agree with you that it is practically useless on G3.
Imprecise, slow in response, plain awkward to use.
But, I knew it when I bought it.
Rgds
Shutterbugin
Veteran Member
I'm not sure I understand this. I totally disagree with the "nothing you can do about that w/current non-SLR digicams. I have taken some beautiful photos with blurred backgrounds, and I am using a G2. It takes some experimentation with Aperture to get the background you want, but my point is - the DoF is not severely limited with the G3. Just an understanding of exposure and aperture can provide wonderful results with this camera!
I agree with everyone when you said he should have listed his problems with the G3, and maybe asked for some help - it is a great camera for the money, without spending $1500 for a 10D or D100 - the next step.
ShutterBugin
I agree with everyone when you said he should have listed his problems with the G3, and maybe asked for some help - it is a great camera for the money, without spending $1500 for a 10D or D100 - the next step.
--Really nothing you can do about that w/ current non-SLR digicams.
Might be other flaws he doesn't like.
Actually, if I already owned a decent film SLR, I might be tempted
to return my G3 also when I found out the various flaws/weaknesses.
It all depends...
Man
--It might be useful if you described some of the problems with theI've had enough problems with G3... and decide to sell it on ebay.
I am going to stick with my S230 and Nikon SLR and wait for the
next generation of digicam.
G3 that you find intolerable. Perhaps someone can actually help
you with them, if they are not merely the product of unmet
expectations. I bought a G3 recently just to get back into
photography and I'm having a great time with it.
Roger
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
ShutterBugin
Tony SD
Senior Member
And what flaws/weaknesses did you find, Man?He's mostly disappointed w/ the high DoF, ie. can't easily blur
backgrounds, based on his other recent thread.
Really nothing you can do about that w/ current non-SLR digicams.
Might be other flaws he doesn't like.
Actually, if I already owned a decent film SLR, I might be tempted
to return my G3 also when I found out the various flaws/weaknesses.
It all depends...
Man
--
TonySD
KRDV
Leading Member
Not sure what is the point of this post?
Man-Fai Wong
Veteran Member
Yes, I know what you're saying and certainly know how to blur background w/ my G3, BUT there's a big difference between what you can do w/ a non-SLR vs an SLR in most any given situation. They are simply totally different beasts in terms of DoF at this point in time. Maybe that will change in the not too distant future, but that's just how it is right now.I'm not sure I understand this. I totally disagree with the
"nothing you can do about that w/current non-SLR digicams. I have
taken some beautiful photos with blurred backgrounds, and I am
using a G2. It takes some experimentation with Aperture to get the
background you want, but my point is - the DoF is not severely
limited with the G3. Just an understanding of exposure and aperture
can provide wonderful results with this camera!
I did say "can't easily blur backgrounds" afterall. Didn't say it's impossible. Also, people who generally want background blur actually want more blur and better bokeh than what the G series offers. Most average consumers, who don't know anything about photography, don't even realize blur in a picture can be a good thing, whether foreground or background.
Yes, I agree that the G3 is one of the best values for digicam, but that won't stop anyone from wanting better next year -- well, actually, this already is "next year" for the G3.I agree with everyone when you said he should have listed his
problems with the G3, and maybe asked for some help - it is a great
camera for the money, without spending $1500 for a 10D or D100 -
the next step.
Man
--
Baseball as a metaphor for life?
Well, 'luck is a residue of design.' --Bill Dickey--
email: [email protected]
gallery: http://www.pbase.com/mandnwong
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