Adapted scanner lenses - Resources and experiences

While the scanner it was used in (Screen Cezanne Elite FT-S5500) gained some popularity (due to the fact that it is among the most impressive scanners of its kind) the lens is almost unknown. Why? Well, there's a number of reasons:

1.) if you have got a scanner like that (it was VERY expensive) you likely don't want to risk anything by removing the lens because according to some information online it's very difficult to get the lens back into its place in the same accurate position as it came from the factory

2.) there's no inscription on the lens, so it's hard to reference. Neither the manufacturer of it is known for sure, nor the specs.

3.) it has a deep red filter on it which (sometimes, but not always) can be a sign, that it might not be great as a taking lens.

So, even though it would theoretically make sense to check out the lens in a scanner, often referenced as "the best of its kind", it has likely only been done a couple of times. One of the people who did is (you guessed it) Robert OToole, but he never published his results. He mentioned it not performing as well as he had hoped, given the impressive specs and called it "just good to very good".

Well, if there is someone out there who doesn't automatically dismiss lenses, which are "only very good" that must be me then... so of course I was curious about it.

Thankfully I got in touch with the person who had introduced Robert to that scanner and its lens and thanks to this very nice and generous fellow I finally got one of those lenses myself.

I'm still not very familiar with it spec-wise and am also in the process of figuring out what to use it for, but I certainly got the impression that it's a worthwhile lens to give a real chance. It seems to be similar to some other scanner lenses with a focal length of around 85-90 mm and a wide-open aperture of f/4. I'm pretty sure it not up to the excellent Agfa-Gevaert 107 mm f/4 wide open, but my impression is, that the difference will likely disappear slightly stopped down... it might even be better.

It certainly seems better corrected for CAs and while the lens is not overly impressive in terms of sharpness wide open, it does some really interesting stuff with its OOF rendering, that I still need to explore some more.

Here's a lot of information on the scanner:

https://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?33565-Screen-Cezanne-Users-Unite

Here's an interesting blog-post and video by Austrian photographer Markus Hofstaetter, who got one to scan large format plates:

https://blog.markus-hofstaetter.at/2022/04/bringing-a-73kg-high-end-scanner-back-to-life/

and as usual, here are some of my sample shots:

Can't say I nailed it... but still it's a wrap!

Can't say I nailed it... but still it's a wrap!


Wrapped up in the Christmas rush

Wrapped up in the Christmas rush


The flame is gone, the fire remains

The flame is gone, the fire remains


Wrapture

Wrapture


So very ice of you to stick up for us

So very ice of you to stick up for us


Crisp-mas

Crisp-mas

https://flic.kr/p/2o5hyFC

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Experimenting manual lens enthusiast.
 
Certainly one of the (if not THE) most impressive scanner lens I've tried so far. I'm well aware that the later (Coolscan 8000/9000 ED) scanner Nikkor lenses might be way ahead in terms of specs, but I because I've never tried those, I don't have any comparison. I've been pretty much blown away by what Nikon decided to put into one of their first film scanner.

There's a comparison test between this lens and the Primefilm XE lens (which claimed 10.000 dpi resolution) and the LS-3510 AF on closeuphotography (https://www.closeuphotography.com/3000dpi-vs-10000dpi-lens-shootout) but unfortunately Robert OToole hasn't been able to finish & release his complete test and writeup on this fine Nikon lens.

Because there's no reviews and barely and images samples out there, this lens is not well known. It's also possible that the scanner wasn't produced in very high numbers, because all of the later Nikon film scanners seem to turn up more regularly than this one. It's also possible that many just rot away somewhere (including the lenses unfortunately). It's the main reason why it's still possible to get such a lens for a good price if you're lucky, which has become very hard with the later 7 and 14 element ED Nikkor lenses.

Anyway, here are some samples:

Shooting metal waste into space again?

Shooting metal waste into space again?


Bread Bit portrait

Bread Bit portrait


Still a match.

Still a match.


'We’re open' sign

'We’re open' sign


The time is now or lever

The time is now or lever


Toothpicks are handy... quite literally!

Toothpicks are handy... quite literally!

https://flic.kr/p/2oboZiL

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Experimenting manual lens enthusiast.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/simple_joy/
 
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Great shots. Amazing quality of the lens, sharp is sharp and transitions are nice. Great colors. Perfect!

I’ve seen some of these on Flickr and just looked at the collection, quite impressive.

Cheers

mark
 
Did the LS-3510 look like a big toaster with the bread slot the wrong way round?

I'm pretty sure I had one of these in 90's, but it was Agfa branded, a "Vision 35" I think. It was really slow as it had a colour wheel and did a complete pass for each channel. I remember being very impressed when the LS-1000 came along with one pass scanning - no ICE though.
 
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Did the LS-3510 look like a big toaster with the bread slot the wrong way round?

I'm pretty sure I had one of these in 90's, but it was Agfa branded, a "Vision 35" I think. It was really slow as it had a colour wheel and did a complete pass for each channel. I remember being very impressed when the LS-1000 came along with one pass scanning - no ICE though.
Yes indeed - that's a perfect description!

Yeah, the Agfa Vision 35 was identical and also featured the same Nikon lens. It's a perfect example why it can be a bad idea to judge a book by its cover in terms of optics... I'm sure lots of these scanners have been trashed (particularly because of their cheap look) - what a loss!
 
Okay, this is a weird one... and I have to add, that this being a scanner lens is only my suspicion. So far I haven't been able to locate any spec sheet for this lens and I would be highly surprised, if it was based on any of the other Rodagon lenses. It is pretty massive, almost double the diameter and weight of a 90 mm f/4 Apo-Rodagon. It has a fixed aperture plate inside of it (I would suspect at around f/8) but this can be removed.

The lens does lose quite a bit of contrast in direct light and it shows some CAs, but to me it seems absolutely usable at f/2.8, reasonably sharp and actually more pleasant in terms of rendering, than I would have expected.

Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8
Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8

Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8
Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8

If you happen to know anything about this lens, please let me know. I also happen to have a second sample of this one, which has a pretty severe case of separation in one of the groups however. I'm doubtful it's worth it to send it into a lab for repair (if anyone even attempts that with such an unknown lens like that).

Here are some samples:

Capturing light

Capturing light


Uphill bottle...

Uphill bottle...


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Experimenting manual lens enthusiast.
 
Okay, this is a weird one... and I have to add, that this being a scanner lens is only my suspicion. So far I haven't been able to locate any spec sheet for this lens and I would be highly surprised, if it was based on any of the other Rodagon lenses. It is pretty massive, almost double the diameter and weight of a 90 mm f/4 Apo-Rodagon. It has a fixed aperture plate inside of it (I would suspect at around f/8) but this can be removed.

The lens does lose quite a bit of contrast in direct light and it shows some CAs, but to me it seems absolutely usable at f/2.8, reasonably sharp and actually more pleasant in terms of rendering, than I would have expected.

If you happen to know anything about this lens, please let me know. I also happen to have a second sample of this one, which has a pretty severe case of separation in one of the groups however. I'm doubtful it's worth it to send it into a lab for repair (if anyone even attempts that with such an unknown lens like that).

Here are some samples:


Thanks for this presentation! I agree about the rendering, nice shots!
 
Okay, this is a weird one... and I have to add, that this being a scanner lens is only my suspicion. So far I haven't been able to locate any spec sheet for this lens and I would be highly surprised, if it was based on any of the other Rodagon lenses. It is pretty massive, almost double the diameter and weight of a 90 mm f/4 Apo-Rodagon. It has a fixed aperture plate inside of it (I would suspect at around f/8) but this can be removed.
A weird one, I agree. If you look at the serial number, it's near the same age with this . Early seventies is too early time for a scanner lens, or how do you think? Maybe used in a photocopier scanning paper documents?

It have to be taken from some kind of machine but what? I don't believe in any aerial solution because of f/8 aperture, but why not? Microfilm? X-rays?

Is it so big? What is the mounting thread? 50mm?
The lens does lose quite a bit of contrast in direct light and it shows some CAs, but to me it seems absolutely usable at f/2.8, reasonably sharp and actually more pleasant in terms of rendering, than I would have expected.

Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8
Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8

Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8
Rodenstock Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8

If you happen to know anything about this lens, please let me know. I also happen to have a second sample of this one, which has a pretty severe case of separation in one of the groups however. I'm doubtful it's worth it to send it into a lab for repair (if anyone even attempts that with such an unknown lens like that).

Here are some samples:

Capturing light

Capturing light


Uphill bottle...

Uphill bottle...


ac2c53470f5044d0a76cf3ccd52e4cc2.jpg

603bdb1e63974f58aa2c0f852d6d2c13.jpg

2b75379fdc2d4c56bef91c2079f2edcc.jpg

2f62d5c9719349b3942d649a30801492.jpg
I love your photos and the are no exceptions. Those two last ones are my favorites. :-)
 
A weird one, I agree. If you look at the serial number, it's near the same age with this . Early seventies is too early time for a scanner lens, or how do you think? Maybe used in a photocopier scanning paper documents?

It have to be taken from some kind of machine but what? I don't believe in any aerial solution because of f/8 aperture, but why not? Microfilm? X-rays?

Is it so big? What is the mounting thread? 50mm?
Sorry for the late reply... wanted to measure the thread before I answered and then I forgot... Thanks for the information on the serial number. Yeah, I think that might be correct. You could be right and it actually was intended for a microfilm application or something like that. I don't know.

The thread is around 64x0.75 mm so unfortunately nothing I can easily adapt... and yes it really is weirdly big compared to every other Rodagon lens I have, even the 180 mm one...
I love your photos and the are no exceptions. Those two last ones are my favorites. :-)
Thanks a lot!
 
Okay, here’s a special one… probably my favorite scanner lens in terms of image quality:

The Agfa D-Lab Zoom lens.

There’s no inscription hinting at the focal length range and maximum f-stop and as far as I know no documentation inside any of the D-Lab manuals indicating anything about its construction.

As its name suggests (and as far as I know) this lens was used in the Agfa D-Lab – a high-end minilab series – for film-scanning.

The reason why I haven’t been able to find out more about its specs lies in the weird way the lens is constructed. There are basically just two lens groups, which are mounted on a metal rail (on which they were moved by a motor inside of the minilab scanner originally). There’s no “lens body” so to speak, just a massive metal box surrounding the whole application, in order to keep dust away. To use it, I had to fix the position of the moving lens groups, so in its current state it is a fixed focal length lens. The way it is now, it seems to be around 70-80 mm, which might be the shortest focal length of the zoom range. The lens doesn’t have a variable aperture but seems to be fixed to something around f/6.3.

If you have any additional information or some knowledge, that contradicts any of my claims, please let me know, because I’m really curious to know.

Here’s how it looks:

Awful, I know... 😅
Awful, I know... 😅

... and here's what it does on a camera:

A snack for when you have the blues

A snack for when you have the blues


A true colormity

A true colormity


Love at first sight!

Love at first sight!


No matter how hard the material, liquid will prevail.

No matter how hard the material, liquid will prevail.


Top of the fruit-chain

Top of the fruit-chain


Bean around the block

Bean around the block

https://flic.kr/p/2ob7LDz

I have no idea how to adapt this one to unlock its full potential yet... I just know it has to be attempted somehow.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/simple_joy/
 
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A weird one, I agree. If you look at the serial number, it's near the same age with this . Early seventies is too early time for a scanner lens, or how do you think? Maybe used in a photocopier scanning paper documents?

It have to be taken from some kind of machine but what? I don't believe in any aerial solution because of f/8 aperture, but why not? Microfilm? X-rays?

Is it so big? What is the mounting thread? 50mm?
Sorry for the late reply... wanted to measure the thread before I answered and then I forgot... Thanks for the information on the serial number. Yeah, I think that might be correct. You could be right and it actually was intended for a microfilm application or something like that. I don't know.

The thread is around 64x0.75 mm so unfortunately nothing I can easily adapt... and yes it really is weirdly big compared to every other Rodagon lens I have, even the 180 mm one...
I love your photos and the are no exceptions. Those two last ones are my favorites. :-)
Thanks a lot!
I beg your pardon! I'm the very late one to reply. I've been a little tired lately. Maybe I can't discuss normally, not answering to posts, but sometimes I could post some small comments, I hope.

When looking at something else I found this lens . I think it's in the same lens body as yor 90mm with a lens plate with four holes ( for screws?) in the corners.
 
I beg your pardon! I'm the very late one to reply. I've been a little tired lately. Maybe I can't discuss normally, not answering to posts, but sometimes I could post some small comments, I hope.

When looking at something else I found this lens . I think it's in the same lens body as yor 90mm with a lens plate with four holes ( for screws?) in the corners.
Thank you very much - you're right! That seems like the same mount. I have a similarly looking Rodagon 180 mm f/5.6 lens, which is in a differant (albeit also fixed aperture) mount. My Rodagon 90 mm f/2.8 also has the slot, which is mentioned in the 240 mm lens.

Hope your feeling tired is nothing too serious btw. and that you'll feel better soon!
 
simple-joy wrote: [...]

Thankfully I got in touch with the person who had introduced Robert to that scanner and its lens and thanks to this very nice and generous fellow I finally got one of those lenses myself. [...]
Dear simple-joy,

I feel honored and happy that one of "my" beautiful Screen Cezanne scanner lenses has ended up in your experienced hands [ and I'm finally glad that I dared to take this scanner beast apart a few times now.]

Your wonderful pictures show what these hidden treasures are able to deliver.
THANK YOU for your reports and your pictures --

and my best wishes
 
simple-joy wrote: [...]

Thankfully I got in touch with the person who had introduced Robert to that scanner and its lens and thanks to this very nice and generous fellow I finally got one of those lenses myself. [...]
Dear simple-joy,

I feel honored and happy that one of "my" beautiful Screen Cezanne scanner lenses has ended up in your experienced hands [ and I'm finally glad that I dared to take this scanner beast apart a few times now.]

Your wonderful pictures show what these hidden treasures are able to deliver.
THANK YOU for your reports and your pictures --
and my best wishes
Hey, thanks a lot to you for the interesting lens, the adapter and chance to experiment with it. I‘m sure there are lots more opportunities to use that lens and there might be a number of other scanner lenses yet to discover as well.

I‘m happy you think I was able to do that unique lens justice. Perhaps I‘ll get around to researching some more about the subject and writing an article (about scanner lenses) in the future… I thought it might be worthwhile to assemble some information and show a couple of lenses in this way in the meantime.

I have a couple more already, so this is a good reminder!
 

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