lets see if the 828 can match this...

Richard300 · Nov 25, 2003

Hi Harry

I agree with your point. Everybody enjoys photography for different reasons. For myself, when I look at a photo, it brings back memories.

It's great if the picture has that "wow" effect but it is even better if the memory has that "wow" effect. I have tons of pictures where composition and quality are not the best but the memories they bring back are priceless.

Richard

Harry Behret said:
Richard,

It really doesn't matter. Both pics are OK. My point is that this
is all nonsense. The camera is merely a tool. I can go on any of
the boards on DPReview and find marvelous shots from just about any
camera. In the end the final product is a demonstration of the
photographer's skill.

I mean, has anyone debated if Monet's brushes were better than
Renoir's?

Harry

http://www.pbase.com/hpb

--
'We don't make a photograph just with a camera; we bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard, the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams

--

Richard300

johnrweb · Nov 25, 2003

Every camera has its strength on weakenses. The 300D is a great camera and I love it. However, just because the 300D is great doesn't mean other camera's aren't great.

The strength of the Sony is a Live LCD with a swivel lens. It allows the photographer to take low angle shot without having to bend down.

If taken with a conventional camera, the photographer would have to get his whole body wet and put his face and camera a few inches above the waterline, however with a swivel lens of the Sony, all the photographer has to do is put the camera just above water level and looking at the tilt LCD screen, press the shutter. Everybody stays dry except for the dog.

This photo is from Andrew Van Beek's gallery. http://www.pbase.com/avanbeek/root

--
John from Southern California
http://www.pbase.com/johnrweb/disneyconcerthall
http://www.pbase.com/domdom
F707 and 300D

Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

no there are some out, just preproduction models. You can actualy buy a preproduction model for 1799$!!! can you imagine this? who would be crazy enough to pay 1799$ for a camera that is pre-production and not tip top shape yet?

anyway...some people do have them already. there was many samples posted on the Sony forum.

In that same line of thoughts..it is impossible to take such photo with a 1Ds...because it is impossible for me to own one? too expensive..but that does not mean that it is impossible to take such photo with one, for the person who own a 1Ds.

GregL281 said:
It is impossible at the moment as there are no 828’s to be
had as of yet. Just to correct your mistake

Greg

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Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

then why don't you post a crop of the full size as well? it will be easy to download and will show the pic 100% nor resized and sharpened.

ozziegn said:
I could really care less about all the negative comments regarding
my post or pic for that matter. I have seen plenty of 828 samples
(or so they say) and not one of them looked anywhere near as close
as to my pic above.

Also, as many of you already know, downsizing a pic for web use
really takes the justice away from a 300D's capabilities. However,
I do resize my pics so people on dial-up connections dont have to
wait 5 minutes to view one pic.

Ozzie
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Doug Kerr · Nov 25, 2003

Tom,

koloblici said:
Hi Ben,

I graduated in nonlinear optical polymer chemistry and I knew Mr.
Kerr long before I started reading this forum.
There is an effect named after him. The Kerr-effect. It means that
the refractory index of some (very few and exotic) materials
depends on the intensity of the electromagnetic beam traveling
through the material.

One manifestation of one of the flavors of the Kerr effect is that in some transparent media the polarization vector of an electromagnetic wave is rotated by the application of an electrostatic fleld.

This phenomenon can be used to make a nice high-speed wholly electroinc shutter (involving crossed linear polarizers).

Nitrobenzine is one of the media exhibiting thia phenomena. I wouldn't call it exotic, but it is certainly nasty!

I have no idea how I am related to the Kerr who discovered this, but Kerrs believe that we are all cousins, aye.

Thanks for keepin' it in the family.

Best regards,

Doug

DigitalDoggie · Nov 25, 2003

ozziegn said:
all this blah, blah, blah about the 828 has gotten old to me for
quite some time now especially because soooo many people have
commented on what a great camera its gonna be but yet no one has
even seen a glimpse of the real McCoy in action.

also, what example shots I have seen tell me that the 828 is
horrible in the higher ISO dept which obviously is a bad thing.
now, weither it is or isnt has yet to be seen because Sony has been
taking their sweet time bringing it out.

so, I decided to show off one of my 300D pics using my friend
"Rocky" as an example of how great the 300D is in the higher ISO
dept.

this shot was taken hand-held at 1/10 sec with the 28-135 IS Canon
lens at IS) 400.

yeah, I'm sure the Sony people will start crying about how using an
IS lens is cheating but oh well. if it is, then they should get an
IS for their precious 828s. oh, wait a minute, you CANT CHANGE THE
LENS on the 828.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Ozzie
--
e-mail me at [email protected]

Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

ozziegn said:
However, I do often wonder why there are MANY, MANY clowns in this
forum who kinda act like people are speaking bad of one of their
family members if/when they do say anything negative about a
digital camera that they might own. That being that, those kinds of
people should turn their computers off and go outside and enjoy
life more often...

they even flame you for saying negative things about a camera that you DO own...but that's another story.

what most people were upset about is the silly comparing and most people are more than tired of reading comparing post of 828 vs 300D.

You would have been much better off to say somethign like

"see what I can do with IS"

ozziegn said:
Ozzie
--
e-mail me at [email protected]

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http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

sandy b · Nov 25, 2003

Awesome, simply awesome. Just one of many reasons I'm keeping my 707 when (or if) I get 300D. The 707 has taken thousands of great pics for me, and it would complement a DSLR wonderfully. Plus its magnesium body is almost indestructable and it looks WAY cool. Plus it can take pictures like you posted.

johnrweb said:
Every camera has its strength on weakenses. The 300D is a great
camera and I love it. However, just because the 300D is great
doesn't mean other camera's aren't great.

The strength of the Sony is a Live LCD with a swivel lens. It
allows the photographer to take low angle shot without having to
bend down.

If taken with a conventional camera, the photographer would have to
get his whole body wet and put his face and camera a few inches
above the waterline, however with a swivel lens of the Sony, all
the photographer has to do is put the camera just above water level
and looking at the tilt LCD screen, press the shutter. Everybody
stays dry except for the dog.

This photo is from Andrew Van Beek's gallery.
http://www.pbase.com/avanbeek/root

--
John from Southern California
http://www.pbase.com/johnrweb/disneyconcerthall
http://www.pbase.com/domdom
F707 and 300D

Ben Seese · Nov 25, 2003

Tom, well done. Now my curiosity is piqued... I can only imagine all the other fields Mr. Kerr has influenced. Did he invent intermittent windshield wipers, too?

-Ben

koloblici said:
I graduated in nonlinear optical polymer chemistry and I knew Mr.
Kerr long before I started reading this forum.
There is an effect named after him. The Kerr-effect. It means that
the refractory index of some (very few and exotic) materials
depends on the intensity of the electromagnetic beam traveling
through the material.

But of course you all knew that.

;-)

Tom

Ben Seese said:

Let me go off topic for a sec...

I'm sure I'm not alone in enjoying Doug's posts. Almost without
exception, his writing is clear, concise, and correct. He's a huge
asset to this community.

Now, with a little bit of Googling, I made a discovery today. If
you can believe it, our friend Doug Kerr wrote the ASCII standard
and invented the Caps Lock key.

Amazing. Just had to share.

Click to expand...

Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

ozziegn said:
I just think that ALOT of people are getting way too excited about
a camera that may or may not earn the hype that it has accumilated
to this point in time.

Are you saying that you intentionaly posted that thread to put down the Sony? Up until now I had gave you the benifit of the doubt that you might have actualy posted this photo for us to enjoy...not only to put down the Sony...interesting.

As for the hipe at this point, why even care about this? since you bought a 300d, I wonder what difference it makes to you?

ozziegn said:
This whole Sony 828 over-hyping saga reminds me of the nVidia -
GFFX video card ordeal. so many people got so freakin' excited over
them cards no thanks to nVidia's mass-marketing mumbo-jumbo BS and
look what happened. their final product delivered at the time wasnt
hardly any better than the ATi 9700 Pro which could be gotten for
an average price of $100 less than the GFFX flagship card at the
time. and even to this date, their top of the line GFFX cards still
only beat the ATi 9800 Pro by minimal margins. thats not too good
for a video card that costs well over $100 over the 9800 Pro.

So whats my point? dont get too excited about something until you
have it in your hot little hands. until then, take everything that
you see and hear (including my thread and others') w/ a grain of
salt.

were you not exited about the 300d BEFORE you got it into your hot little hands?

They are Sony users, they are excited about a new Sony camera that might or might not be for one person..depending on that person's needs.

what I really don't understand is why do you care so much about this? Why not simply enjoy your camera and your IS lens and forget about those silly comparing apple and orange?

ozziegn said:
Ozzie
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e-mail me at [email protected]

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Jun2 · Nov 25, 2003

It is not apple vs orange. It is one camera vs another. Who won depends on who do you ask?

For me, I have 300D I like it, but no F828. The preproduction pictures of F828 has nice color bot noisy. Since I don't have money to buy F828. I don't really think about it that much.

Jun

JohnMBailey said:
nice shot, if some want to brag about the 828, so what? We all
have to live with our decisions. People are different, experiences
and expectations are different. No reason to be disrespectful.

BTW, I would like to give my brother a 300d. How fast does the
camera respond when the shutter button is pressed?

Regards,

John

Evil Eggplant · Nov 25, 2003

Maybe that's why I like the look of my 707 pictures better than the 717

photobob said:
Bob

Harry Behret said:

ozziegn,

Nice shot. here's a shot from the STF Challenge gallery (not mine).

Isn't great that we have such good cameras to choose from. ;-)

Harry

http://www.pbase.com/hpb

--
'We don't make a photograph just with a camera; we bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard, the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams

Click to expand...

--
rich
'beware the eggplant'
c-7oo, d-51O, DSC-F7O7, 3OOD
'it's not having what you want, it's wanting what you got'
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Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

ozziegn said:
Wow, I think I've finally found someone who talks more trash than I
do.

As for your insults, you obviuously dont have a parrot because if
you did, then you would realize how they are almost impossible
animals to take pictures of because they are constantly moving
around and its not like I can tell him to hold still and to take a
deep breath.

yes but that's where your IS advantage goes away...you then would have better used ISO 800 and shoot at higher shutter speed..

better yet..if you want to do this type of photo and wont them to look at least close to somethign professional and worthy of "showing off", buy a nice bounce flash and get a decent speed at ISO 100...do a better composition and take the distracting stuff out of the frame...use a better DOF and voilà..at least you'll have a wow photo.

ozziegn said:
Ozzie
--
e-mail me at [email protected]

--
I am not an English native speaker!
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http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

and apple vs orange is fruit vs fruit as far as I know.

apple=DSLR orange=non DSLR.. both fruit=both cameras.

Jun2 said:
For me, I have 300D I like it, but no F828. The preproduction
pictures of F828 has nice color bot noisy. Since I don't have money
to buy F828. I don't really think about it that much.

Jun

JohnMBailey said:

nice shot, if some want to brag about the 828, so what? We all
have to live with our decisions. People are different, experiences
and expectations are different. No reason to be disrespectful.

BTW, I would like to give my brother a 300d. How fast does the
camera respond when the shutter button is pressed?

Regards,

John

Click to expand...

--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

Daniella68313 · Nov 25, 2003

and pictures like this with infrared:

http://www.pbase.com/image/1508485

sandy b said:
johnrweb said:

Every camera has its strength on weakenses. The 300D is a great
camera and I love it. However, just because the 300D is great
doesn't mean other camera's aren't great.

The strength of the Sony is a Live LCD with a swivel lens. It
allows the photographer to take low angle shot without having to
bend down.

If taken with a conventional camera, the photographer would have to
get his whole body wet and put his face and camera a few inches
above the waterline, however with a swivel lens of the Sony, all
the photographer has to do is put the camera just above water level
and looking at the tilt LCD screen, press the shutter. Everybody
stays dry except for the dog.

This photo is from Andrew Van Beek's gallery.
http://www.pbase.com/avanbeek/root

--
John from Southern California
http://www.pbase.com/johnrweb/disneyconcerthall
http://www.pbase.com/domdom
F707 and 300D

Click to expand...

--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918

PaulyOly · Nov 25, 2003

or is that 640mm on the rebel.

That's funny stuff, to me it looks like the bird was cut out and pasted on a new background, not to mention it looks over sharpend to me, the african grey shot is very pleasing to the eye.

300mm isn't enough for me.

PaulyOly · Nov 25, 2003

the top of the pic above the birds head was cut out and made black and the blue in the bottom was cloned to remove something, atleast to my eyes and monitor that's how it looks.

Doug Kerr · Nov 25, 2003

Ben,

Ben Seese said:
Tom, well done. Now my curiosity is piqued... I can only imagine
all the other fields Mr. Kerr has influenced. Did he invent
intermittent windshield wipers, too?

No, but I did invent a passive XOR gate that can be used to retrofit marker lights on cars not having them OEM. The gate allows the marker light to come on steadily with the parking lights, and to flash with the front turn signals whether the parking lights are on or not.

The fact that is is passive means it does not need any connection to a 12V supply, only to the inputs (the parking light and turn signal circuits), thus facilitating retrofit installation of the marker lights (these circuits are of course available in the front quarter wiring harnesses).

It was never used commercially, but the prototype was fabulous on my 1967 Pontiac LeMans convertible! The marker lights were for a contemporary Plymouth - they mechanically mounted simply in a circular hole, punched with a chassis punch! (One in fact my father had made for me in his factory's tool shop when I was about 13 and first getting into construction of electonic circuits).

The dealer from whom I bought the lights reminded me that, since they were an electrical component, they couldn't be returned!

I also hold what some people consider to be the definitive patent on the token ring LAN protocol. (IBM prefers to think that a Danish one is definitive, as they spent a lot of money for a license under it!) Whatever.

Ah, it's been quite a life! Could I tell you stories about the development of ASCII! Here's a tiny one.

The acronym ASCII came from the title of the first issue of the standard, "American Standard Code for Information Interchange" (in 1963). I knew that the name of the issuing organization (then the American Standards Association) was about to change, and when it did the style of the titles of the standards would change, and I wanted this code to have a permanent identifier. (I thought it might be important for 25 years!) So in the second issue (the first one for which I wrote the document), I put in a clause that said the short designation of the code is "ASCII". It's a good thing, because by the time it was approved (1967), the organization's name had changed to "USA Standards Association", and the name of the standard, accordingly, to "USA Standard Code for Information Interchange". The name of the organization has changed twice again since then, but ASCII is still ASCII.

I did something really neat yesterday, too, but I can't remember what it is.

Best regards,

Doug

PaulyOly · Nov 25, 2003

Harry Behret said:
I mean, has anyone debated if Monet's brushes were better than
Renoir's?

Harry

I get your point, but your analogy is not the best.

PaulyOly · Nov 25, 2003

I appreciate you resizing for me and my poor dialup, still hounding the cable companies to come out here.

And i think that's an excellent pic of an african grey, although the only one i met bit me. I don't think i could go back to a small sensor camera, atleast not for animal/wildlife photos, i've been looking for a big zoom(10x) point and shot for my mother and frankly haven't seen any pics that hold a candle to what i get with the rebel.

lets see if the 828 can match this...

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