tbcass
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.....absolutely not. :-( For me the lack of capabilities of cheap cameras makes them frustrating to use.
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any Expensive Camera can normally be used as a point and shoot when Auto is selected. i know a person that has a wonderful Canon kit and that is all they do......absolutely not. :-( For me the lack of capabilities of cheap cameras makes them frustrating to use.
I'm sure they know that's an exposure issue, not a camera issue, and that even with the latest Hasselblad one can have a tough time nailing exposure on a white bird. Indeed many of use don't use auto exposure on them even today. I think maybe it's sarcasm. Like white plumage it's sometimes tough to captureHa Ha, is that the best you can do ? actualy thats a failure of the photographer (me), at -0.3ev they would have been fine and any small sensor camera regardless of price on full Auto would have likely not been spot on, actually the exposure on the swans is really not bad (very close infact) and the cloud detail in the other shots is to me pretty impressive considering I shot with my brain removed, sorry but these photos are very good and as good as any small sensor compact could have done, OR I could have used HDR which also works wellThe swans have burnt out highlights.
Was that caused by the use of a cheap camera ?
Don
I do not want to go back to compacts that have glacial shutter lag, or DSLR cameras with tiny LCD screens.
My Z7 is a superior shooting experience compared to any of my old cameras
Even this cheapo Kodak has really snappy AF and minimal shutter lag, those days are gone, the screen is indeed small but useable and the CMOS sensor is vastly superior to older CCD sensors, the old compacts even the premium models were hopeless as you moved away from base ISO, ISO 800 on this Kodak looks great, just as well as the lens is slow, but the cheaper version has F3.0, (not great but reasonable) at the wide end so combined with this sensor it is likely pretty good all roundhttps://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/HX9V/HX9VA.HTMI do not want to go back to compacts that have glacial shutter lag, or DSLR cameras with tiny LCD screens.
My Z7 is a superior shooting experience compared to any of my old cameras
Shutter Lag: Full autofocus shutter lag is extremely fast, at 0.15 second at wide angle and 0.13 second at full telephoto. That rivals the fastest of SLRs we've tested. Prefocused shutter lag is 0.018 second, also very fast.
I had that one, the AF was fast (in decent light).
Yes, the slowness was mostly on early 2000s camsEven this cheapo Kodak has really snappy AF and minimal shutter lag, those days are gone, the screen is indeed small but useable and the CMOS sensor is vastly superior to older CCD sensors, the old compacts even the premium models were hopeless as you moved away from base ISO, ISO 800 on this Kodak looks great, just as well as the lens is slow, but the cheaper version has F3.0 at the wide end so combined with this sensor it is likely pretty good all roundhttps://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/HX9V/HX9VA.HTMI do not want to go back to compacts that have glacial shutter lag, or DSLR cameras with tiny LCD screens.
My Z7 is a superior shooting experience compared to any of my old cameras
Shutter Lag: Full autofocus shutter lag is extremely fast, at 0.15 second at wide angle and 0.13 second at full telephoto. That rivals the fastest of SLRs we've tested. Prefocused shutter lag is 0.018 second, also very fast.
I had that one, the AF was fast (in decent light).
how do these new Kodaks compare with a used canon SL1?Even this cheapo Kodak has really snappy AF and minimal shutter lag, those days are gone, the screen is indeed small but useable and the CMOS sensor is vastly superior to older CCD sensors, the old compacts even the premium models were hopeless as you moved away from base ISO, ISO 800 on this Kodak looks great, just as well as the lens is slow, but the cheaper version has F3.0, (not great but reasonable) at the wide end so combined with this sensor it is likely pretty good all roundhttps://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/HX9V/HX9VA.HTMI do not want to go back to compacts that have glacial shutter lag, or DSLR cameras with tiny LCD screens.
My Z7 is a superior shooting experience compared to any of my old cameras
Shutter Lag: Full autofocus shutter lag is extremely fast, at 0.15 second at wide angle and 0.13 second at full telephoto. That rivals the fastest of SLRs we've tested. Prefocused shutter lag is 0.018 second, also very fast.
I had that one, the AF was fast (in decent light).
Well the SL1 was a DSLR right ? very different camera, but here is a great old Kodak you might like if you like the DSLR style, I have one of these, needs to be used at base ISO, but they can be found super cheap, I picked one up for £23 !!!! not great in low light but fab images otherwise, 24-140mm manual zoom toohow do these new Kodaks compare with a used canon SL1?
are there any models you might recommend over a used Canon SL1?
thanks.
wow.Well the SL1 was a DSLR right ? very different camera, but here is a great old Kodak you might like if you like the DSLR style, I have one of these, needs to be used at base ISO, but they can be found super cheap, I picked one up for £23 !!!! not great in low light but fab images otherwise, 24-140mm manual zoom toohow do these new Kodaks compare with a used canon SL1?
are there any models you might recommend over a used Canon SL1?
thanks.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/kodakp880
wow.
i mean WOW. i thought i was the king of cheap with canon XS and SL1
ok i surrender, this is a new LOW. hmmm but looks fun and if i can beat out the mirrorless guys with this plastic thing, it will be even more fun.
thanks for Livening up the Forum. most days i tend to Sleep thru all of this bickering over non sense.
there is a Pro thread for people that need that level of sophistication. my only question usually is: 'self, did you get the shot'.
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I bought a P880 new in 2006 and instantly loved it, at ISO50 and ISO100 it produces really great images that require no post processing, it was quite unique (still is really) in that it has a 24mm equiv wide lens, and as I shoot wide often it was made for me. Later I moved onto other cameras, but as they became more sophisticated I liked them less and less until about 10 years ago I completely lost intrest in hi-tec expensive cameras even though I can afford oneVaug, i think your right.
what you are doing is more like 'Real Photography'.
hmmm are you turning the tables on those high end boys with their Mega Dollar mirrorless do it all cameras that track and think for you?
this might get around and Revolutionize photography on DP and World Wide.
even Cano/Niko may get back to making Real Cameras for Real People. everywhere you will be hearing Click Click; photography magazines will come back also into existence and cell phones will become.........
well cell phones again.
be afraid, be very afraid....but there is a New World coming starting on this forum.
many of us can afford a high end camera, but choose to keep this hobby at a low level. my biggest interest right now is with the Bridge cameras, but i keep the DSLR canons on stand by.I bought a P880 new in 2006 and instantly loved it, at ISO50 and ISO100 it produces really great images that require no post processing, it was quite unique (still is really) in that it has a 24mm equiv wide lens, and as I shoot wide often it was made for me. Later I moved onto other cameras, but as they became more sophisticated I liked them less and less until about 10 years ago I completely lost intrest in hi-tec expensive cameras even though I can afford oneVaug, i think your right.
what you are doing is more like 'Real Photography'.
hmmm are you turning the tables on those high end boys with their Mega Dollar mirrorless do it all cameras that track and think for you?
this might get around and Revolutionize photography on DP and World Wide.
even Cano/Niko may get back to making Real Cameras for Real People. everywhere you will be hearing Click Click; photography magazines will come back also into existence and cell phones will become.........
well cell phones again.
be afraid, be very afraid....but there is a New World coming starting on this forum.
I recently picked up another P880 for £23 in great condition and it still more than stands up today , great colours, great lens and nice to use, it has an EVF which isnt as good as modern EVFs but it does the job, the manual zoom is great to use and the menus are straightforward and intuitive, pick one up if you can, at some point the word will get out and they wont be dirt cheap anymore, I just cant get excited about modern expensive cameras, I love the output from that little FZ55 I now have (the sensor is 16mp CMOS so way better at higher ISOs than old ccd compacts) it has its limitations mainly the slow max aperture, but it was £80!!! and if you use it right, it produces knockout pics
I'm with you on these. I bought a low priced used D3300 to play with mostly because I wouldn't cry as much if I damage it. I also had interest in having a DX sensor to use with long lenses so this was a good excuse to get one.Results are usually better than you were expecting
No worry about breaking it or getting it stolen
Lighter and easier to manage
precisely. funny thing, i am concerned about damaging my cameras and it never happens; some of us are probably more protective with cases, hoods, straps et al.I'm with you on these. I bought a low priced used D3300 to play with mostly because I wouldn't cry as much if I damage it. I also had interest in having a DX sensor to use with long lenses so this was a good excuse to get one.Results are usually better than you were expecting
No worry about breaking it or getting it stolen
Lighter and easier to manage
i shoot canon only because of the pile of EF lens. some days i thing about a cheap nikon or the nikon D810 or 850........it would be a GASI'm finding that it is easy to use and can give good results. I like using it but not as much as using a more expensive camera like my D810.
My DSLR cameras have LCD screens as large as my mirrorless cameras. Which brands do not?I do not want to go back to compacts that have glacial shutter lag, or DSLR cameras with tiny LCD screens.
My Z7 is a superior shooting experience compared to any of my old cameras