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We've had a recent flurry of new lens introduction for L-mount - both from Sigma and Panasonic, and I'm grateful for that.

But.

Panasonic hasn't introduced an S-Pro lens since 2019 (the 16-35). I think it's great that they have been focused on the light/hybrid lenses since then, but once the 28-200 ships, the only outstanding lenses on the roadmap is the 200-500, and what appears to be a 28-70 F2 S-Pro.

I can't believe that Pansonic will simply stop designing new lenses for L-mount once these lenses are released.

So, what do you think they should focus on next? What should their "theme" be?

- More S-Pro lenses? Bring back the heavy hitters - this is FF, after all!

- A set of APS-C lenses? Let's get light, and also attract some entry level shooters! Would require a new body, of course.

- Sports/telephotos? The 200-500 will be nice, but let's see some long primes!

- Cine lenses? Let's give Fuji something to think about!

- Just more of the same?

- Something else?

Of course, it's likely to be a mixture of these, but I'm curious what people think.

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Anamorphic with autofocus, in small package and lightweight 😍
 
georgehudetz said:
We've had a recent flurry of new lens introduction for L-mount - both from Sigma and Panasonic, and I'm grateful for that.

But.

Panasonic hasn't introduced an S-Pro lens since 2019 (the 16-35). I think it's great that they have been focused on the light/hybrid lenses since then, but once the 28-200 ships, the only outstanding lenses on the roadmap is the 200-500, and what appears to be a 28-70 F2 S-Pro.

I can't believe that Pansonic will simply stop designing new lenses for L-mount once these lenses are released.

So, what do you think they should focus on next? What should their "theme" be?

- More S-Pro lenses? Bring back the heavy hitters - this is FF, after all!

- A set of APS-C lenses? Let's get light, and also attract some entry level shooters! Would require a new body, of course.

- Sports/telephotos? The 200-500 will be nice, but let's see some long primes!

- Cine lenses? Let's give Fuji something to think about!

- Just more of the same?

- Something else?

Of course, it's likely to be a mixture of these, but I'm curious what people think.
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Pancake lenses, for example a 40mm f2 or a 28mm f2 as small as the Nikon Z 26mm f2.8.

If Lumix is going to put in the market an "entry level" camera, I hope it is a FF, or even an apsc, the light and small factor could be interesting for a potential every day carry use (EDC) camera.

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I'll answer my own question.

- From a landscape perspective, they are missing a fast UW - something to answer Sony's latest 16-35 F2.8, which is only a few grams heavier than the 16-35 F4 S-Pro.

- A 12-24 would also be welcome, or perhaps a finely-resolving 12mm prime.

- In the mid-range, a light 24-40 F4 S-Pro would be welcome, and make a nice compliment to the 16-35 F4 and 70-200 F4.

- Speaking of the 70-200 F4 - and, for that matter, the F2.8 - it would seem that the other manufacturers are sorting out how to make these lenses be substantially lighter. So, perhaps it's time for a redesign there. If they could knock 150-200 grams of the 70-200 F4, and still keep S-Pro levels of IQ, that would be fantastic for the Hiking Landscaper.

- Even though I love the new 28-200, i feel like a light 60-180 could make a great compliment to the 20-60. But I'm not sure how much lighter it could be than the 28-200, so it might not be worthwhile. But it would be a different way to divide up the FL range for the "lightweight carry" crowd, which I think some people might prefer.

- While the Sigma Art primes are wonderful when you want as much detail as possible, I think it would be interesting to see Panasonic take it a step further, and make a set of APO primes to compete with the Leica equivalents. At a lower price point, to be sure. But these would be the lenses you buy when you want the absolute most detail - i.e., to leverage HR mode for making large, fine-art prints, etc.

Anybody else have landscape wishes?

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The 200-500 appears more like a 100-500 to me and I think the 28-70 will be a light weight 28-70/2.8 in the size of the 28-200 and it probably will not be a S pro. It's also not listed under S pro:

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However. I think after the missing two lenses, it will be time for more S pro lenses. Maybe more f1.4 or even some f1.2 primes (e.g. 35mm and 85mm) and a fast ultra wide zoom.

Also some pancakes would be nice, if there will bring also a smaller range finder style body. Maybe also a pancake zoom.

But I don't think we need APS-C lenses from Panasonic.
 
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although im encouraged by the diminutive size of the 100mm and 28-200 - I've really moved on from lumix lenses. Sigma and (soon) Samyang for me please
 
QM said:
The 200-500 appears more like a 100-500 to me and I think the 28-70 will be a light weight 28-70/2.8 in the size of the 28-200 and it probably will not be a S pro. It's also not listed under S pro:

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Ah yes, good points.
QM said:
However. I think after the missing two lenses, it will be time for more S pro lenses. Maybe more f1.4 or even some f1.2 primes (e.g. 35mm and 85mm) and a fast ultra wide zoom.

Also some pancakes would be nice, if there will bring also a smaller range finder style body.

But I don't think we need APS-C lenses from Panasonic.
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I'm of a similar mind on the crop lenses. While I understand the appeal, I'd hate to see Panasonic's lens design and manufacturing resources spread across three sensor sizes - FF, APS-C, and m43. Particularly when there is so much left to do on FF. Selfishly, I'd like to see them remain focused on creating mid-to-high end FF lenses (and bodies) for L-mount.

But some folks do want them, so let's let them have their say.

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Most likely I will be an outlier here..

What i would really like is a 16-35 f/4 full frame with lens stabilization, and an aps-c 16-55 f/2.8 with lens stabilization, and an aps-c 10-24mm f/2.8 with lens stabilization.

really, the later two (aps-c) lenses would be more important for me than the ff 16-35 f/4 with lens stabilization, since I can continue to use my Canon ef 16-35 f/4 L IS with the Sigma mc-21.

If you shoot video on a gimbal, you will understand why having aps-c lenses with lens stabilization is so important.
 
For landscape, the superwide and the tele ranges are not covered properly. Obviously, there are the Sigma offerings, but it would be great to have something such as Canon and Sony 100-500 lenses. If you are shooting distant mountain peaks, any extra reach is more than welcome. With HR shooting the resolution is even better for these static subjects and creating high-resolution panos for printing can be quite rewarding.


At the moment there is nothing below 14 mm and above 300 mm from Panasonic Those should be covered too. And for landscapers on the move, it is a pain to haul big and heavy fast lenses, give us lighter, sharp zooms that do the job, if possible. And some light pancakes for light travel outings.
 
ambrarp said:
For landscape, the superwide and the tele ranges are not covered properly. Obviously, there are the Sigma offerings, but it would be great to have something such as Canon and Sony 100-500 lenses. If you are shooting distant mountain peaks, any extra reach is more than welcome. With HR shooting the resolution is even better for these static subjects and creating high-resolution panos for printing can be quite rewarding.
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On the other hand, Sigma provides "native" L-mount lenses, so why we should have the same range coverage for both Panasonic and Sigma brands? We have already 60-600 mm Sigma for "shooting distant mountain peeks". I hope that these two do not have too much overlapping lenses, but more different ones to choose from.
 
I think they might loop back and revise some of the existing S-Pro lenses, i.e. bring out Mark II versions that are a bit smaller and lighter, have faster motors, etc.

And maybe they will release a longer tele prime, like a 400mm that takes a TC.
 
Jomppak said:
ambrarp said:
For landscape, the superwide and the tele ranges are not covered properly. Obviously, there are the Sigma offerings, but it would be great to have something such as Canon and Sony 100-500 lenses. If you are shooting distant mountain peaks, any extra reach is more than welcome. With HR shooting the resolution is even better for these static subjects and creating high-resolution panos for printing can be quite rewarding.
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On the other hand, Sigma provides "native" L-mount lenses, so why we should have the same range coverage for both Panasonic and Sigma brands? We have already 60-600 mm Sigma for "shooting distant mountain peeks". I hope that these two do not have too much overlapping lenses, but more different ones to choose from.
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Yes, and the 100-400, the 150-600 and newly the 500/5.6 all from Sigma. Also a 100-500 something is one of the two remaining lenses on the Panasonic roadmap.

Maybe some ultawide would be welcome. A 12-24 or even a 10-20 mm. But I don't know if AF is necessary for focal length below 14 mm and there are some MF options below 14 mm available.
 
Pete_W said:
I think they might loop back and revise some of the existing S-Pro lenses, i.e. bring out Mark II versions that are a bit smaller and lighter, have faster motors, etc.

And maybe they will release a longer tele prime, like a 400mm that takes a TC.
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I would like to see some lenses that are not available inside the l-mount environment (not from Leica, Panasonic, Sigma). There are some additional options from Laowa or TT Artisan, but only manual with no AF or EXIF data…

1. ultrawide zoom

Sigma was long time well known for extreme wide angle zooms, bit there is still no DG DN version of the 12-24. Anything like 12-24 or maybe even wider would be a no brainer for me. Aperture f4 would be ok for me for such a special lens.

2. People zooms

the Tamron 35-150 was the first of this kind and hopefully the Samyang will be available soon.

So any thing from modest wide angle to small tele with fast aperture is a very welcome alternative to the classic lenses, which mostly have a break around 70 between 2 lenses…

- 50-120 with 2.0

- 35-135 2.8 (smaller, more lightweight than the Tamron/Samyang)

3. Fixed lens tele in smaller sizes

A use 2 old Canon FD lenses from the 80s with an adapter. The lenses are supersmall and hopefully something like this will be possible in the future even with AF

2.8/135

4/200

Such lenses would also fit perfectly to the i-series lenses from Sigma

4. Fast highspeed primes

something like a 1.4/120 or 2.0/200 would also something great for the S-Pro line…

After the message from Panasonic to put the main focus on the middle market for the next period, I don‘t expect very special (and expensive) lenses on short term. We have to wait for the next real flagship model and that will not be a 5SR . Only with a real successor in the S1 lineup we can expect extraordinary lenses…
 
xaviergut said:
Pancake lenses, for example a 40mm f2 or a 28mm f2 as small as the Nikon Z 26mm f2.8.

If Lumix is going to put in the market an "entry level" camera, I hope it is a FF, or even an apsc, the light and small factor could be interesting for a potential every day carry use (EDC) camera.
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A vote for this from me, something like a pancake 40mm f2.8 as small as possible would seriously make me think about finally selling off my m43 gear... the 20mm 1.7 is still one of my favourites!
 
xaviergut said:
georgehudetz said:
We've had a recent flurry of new lens introduction for L-mount - both from Sigma and Panasonic, and I'm grateful for that.

But.

Panasonic hasn't introduced an S-Pro lens since 2019 (the 16-35). I think it's great that they have been focused on the light/hybrid lenses since then, but once the 28-200 ships, the only outstanding lenses on the roadmap is the 200-500, and what appears to be a 28-70 F2 S-Pro.

I can't believe that Pansonic will simply stop designing new lenses for L-mount once these lenses are released.

So, what do you think they should focus on next? What should their "theme" be?

- More S-Pro lenses? Bring back the heavy hitters - this is FF, after all!

- A set of APS-C lenses? Let's get light, and also attract some entry level shooters! Would require a new body, of course.

- Sports/telephotos? The 200-500 will be nice, but let's see some long primes!

- Cine lenses? Let's give Fuji something to think about!

- Just more of the same?

- Something else?

Of course, it's likely to be a mixture of these, but I'm curious what people think.
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Pancake lenses, for example a 40mm f2 or a 28mm f2 as small as the Nikon Z 26mm f2.8.

If Lumix is going to put in the market an "entry level" camera, I hope it is a FF, or even an apsc, the light and small factor could be interesting for a potential every day carry use (EDC) camera.
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I also want those lenses! I've been tempted to switch to Nikon because of those lenses.
 
memo90061 said:
xaviergut said:
georgehudetz said:
We've had a recent flurry of new lens introduction for L-mount - both from Sigma and Panasonic, and I'm grateful for that.

But.

Panasonic hasn't introduced an S-Pro lens since 2019 (the 16-35). I think it's great that they have been focused on the light/hybrid lenses since then, but once the 28-200 ships, the only outstanding lenses on the roadmap is the 200-500, and what appears to be a 28-70 F2 S-Pro.

I can't believe that Pansonic will simply stop designing new lenses for L-mount once these lenses are released.

So, what do you think they should focus on next? What should their "theme" be?

- More S-Pro lenses? Bring back the heavy hitters - this is FF, after all!

- A set of APS-C lenses? Let's get light, and also attract some entry level shooters! Would require a new body, of course.

- Sports/telephotos? The 200-500 will be nice, but let's see some long primes!

- Cine lenses? Let's give Fuji something to think about!

- Just more of the same?

- Something else?

Of course, it's likely to be a mixture of these, but I'm curious what people think.
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Pancake lenses, for example a 40mm f2 or a 28mm f2 as small as the Nikon Z 26mm f2.8.

If Lumix is going to put in the market an "entry level" camera, I hope it is a FF, or even an apsc, the light and small factor could be interesting for a potential every day carry use (EDC) camera.
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I also want those lenses! I've been tempted to switch to Nikon because of those lenses.
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as some of you know, I have switched to Sony A7Cii for its small rangefinder body and the lens selection. I have chosen the tiny kit 28-60, Tamron 28-200, Samyang 45&75, and Viltrox 20f2.8. All but the superzoom are small, cheap, w/solid IQ ("for what they are"). The superzoom is what we lack here, and a believe it is the best of its type.

The ii is much improved over i, and I am impressed by rez, IBIS, and of course AF. Ergo/UI is not bad. I struggle getting the jpeg night colors which i liked on S5, which i will probably give to a friend. Am keeping the mammoth S1r for less mobile tripod work
 
xaviergut said:
Pancake lenses, for example a 40mm f2 or a 28mm f2 as small as the Nikon Z 26mm f2.8.

If Lumix is going to put in the market an "entry level" camera, I hope it is a FF, or even an apsc, the light and small factor could be interesting for a potential every day carry use (EDC) camera.
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I'd really like to see a pancake 40mm. I'd also like to see a compact 20-40/4 and/or 24-70/4 zoom (the 24-105/4 is a bit big and heavy for me).
 
reinhard becker said:
the Tamron 35-150 was the first of this kind and hopefully the Samyang will be available soon.
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sounds like it will!

photorumors.com

Confirmed: the first Samyang lens for L-mount will be the AF 35-150mm f/2-2.8 - Photo Rumors

Samyang joined the L-mount Alliance in July 2023. The first Samyang lens for L-mount was rumored to be the AF 35-150mm f/2-2.8. These rumors are now confirmed – at the 2024 CP+ show in Japan Samyang had on display the new/upcoming AF 35-150mm f/2-2.8 lens for Leica L-mount: Astrodesign and...
photorumors.com photorumors.com
 
Jomppak said:
ambrarp said:
For landscape, the superwide and the tele ranges are not covered properly. Obviously, there are the Sigma offerings, but it would be great to have something such as Canon and Sony 100-500 lenses. If you are shooting distant mountain peaks, any extra reach is more than welcome. With HR shooting the resolution is even better for these static subjects and creating high-resolution panos for printing can be quite rewarding.
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On the other hand, Sigma provides "native" L-mount lenses, so why we should have the same range coverage for both Panasonic and Sigma brands? We have already 60-600 mm Sigma for "shooting distant mountain peeks". I hope that these two do not have too much overlapping lenses, but more different ones to choose from.
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The whole discussion was about Panasonic lenses, not L-mount as a whole. Each brand seems to have its strengths, and we see overlapping lenses, but they are completely different tools, just look at the Sigma primes and the mostly video and gimbal-oriented Panasonic primes.
Also, I would not carry a 60-600 on a mountain trail. Maybe that 100-500 or something that's on the roadmap will be a good one and not as expensive as the Pro lenses.
 
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