Any idea why the Olympus Pen-F is so expensive?

One more into the soup.



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Cheers,

Rick

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Here's my own shot of my GRIIIx and Rollei 35.



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As a reminder, the Leica IIIf had a front dial also so that design element of the PEN-F clearly came from it. See this post:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67339662

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Analog versus digital. Back in the days when most controls had to be mechanical the ingeniousness of the camera engineers was truly praiseworthy. Especially when they could place tham in a manner where they would work seamlessly for their intended purpose and with good user ergonomics.

Come digital there was much more freedom of placement at the same time as a much greater quantity of function capability to control.

Obvious good design of controls and menu structures is required. The design really has to be as considered with as much care as was taken in the development of analog mechanical controls. Care has to be taken to keep the best of analog without aping and cluttering up best practice with unnecessary wheels and dials for no other reason than retro-fashion.

For example why mess up the quite well thought out top plate of the GX7/GX85 to fit in a quite useless mechanical EV dial on the GX9? On the previous models the rear wheel was perfectly placed and with a single click to check and then spin of the same wheel the EV setting is instantly viewed and adjusted if necessary.

Sometimes I think that retro fashion actually takes ergonomics a step backwards.

At other times an evolved interface is too deeply entrenched with its client base where they simply have become used to it (warts and all). It then becomes softly, softly, little changes, and hopefully their customer base will hardly notice it.

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My PEN F arrived today. Low shutter count (9,340) ex condition.

It reminds me a lot of a Yashica Lynx I carried in the US Army in the early 1970"s.

It was more than worth the NIB price to secure a camera with so much mojo.





PEN F w/ Olympus 45 1.8
PEN F w/ Olympus 45 1.8
 
engraving does nothing and lenses don't change the actual camera design
 
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MJ Photo is correct. The C-AF of my Pen F was awful, can’t speak to video. The appeal was the styling and the super build quality of the case. And, above, all the film type Profiles behind that much maligned Creative Dial, which were JPEG only and drove Rew-Only-and-Forever shooters crazy.
Yes, I pretty much agree with that. I never use C-AF or video. I almost never use the Creative Dial either, but I think it is rather cool.
Technically, my OM-5 surpasses the Pen F I had in all aspects.
It sounds like you found a way to have 4 Custom modes on the mode dial of the OM-5 like on the PEN-F. I searched for a way to do it back when the OM-5 came out, but could not find it.

And maybe you found a way to have Auto ISO to go up above ISO 6400 like on the PEN-F too.

Those are the 2 main reasons I decided not to get an OM-5. I stopped looking at it after I discovered those downgrades from the PEN-F, E-M10 II, E-M10, E-M5 II, E-P5, etc. so I did not follow later firmware updates. Have these things now been restored to the OM-5? If so then I may look into it again.
No, no 4 custom modes. I think there is a way to do 3 custom modes, buts kind of kludgy.

For my use case if I need more than ISO 6400, I switch to guns (manual ISO). So far, I’ve not felt encumbered by the OM-5 and the other advances from the Pen F have overridden any shortcomings, at least for my uses.

I will admit I thought long and hard about selling the Pen F. Walking around, it did look good on me.
Okay, for a minute there you got my hopes up. :-)

We all have certain features we highly treasure and use and other features we care little about and maybe even never use. Unfortunately, for me Olympus and OMS have started disabling some of the firmware features (not hardware features, not body features) which I find hard to fathom. But they are free to do as they like and so am I. The last new Olympus I bought was the PEN-F in 2016. There are several I would have bought since then though if they had not dropped these features. Oh well, no big deal. Olympus/OMS have made it clear they do not want my money. I would hate to anger them by giving them more. :-)

Currently I am giving thought to the Sony A6700 ($1399) and Fuji X-S20 ($1299). Both are 26mp APS-C and fairly small bodies. For example, the A6700 is smaller/lighter than the OM-1. Both have great face/people detect AF, both have multiple custom modes on the command dial, both have great Auto ISO implementations (better than Olympus/OMS), etc. If I end up with one of them I probably would just get 2-3 of the smaller lenses.

We have been traveling in various countries around the world since May 2023 when Japan returned the re-entry rules for non-Japanese back to the pre-covid rules. Maybe get back to Japan next month though. Ready. :-) After that I will think about what to do. Unfortunately, Sony (unlike Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic, Pentax, Olympus/OMS, etc.) makes it difficult if you want a non-Japanese menu of one of their cameras bought in Japan.
Just to give an idea of the weights with batteries according to dpreview:
  • A6700: 493g
  • X-S20: 491g
  • E-M1 II: 574g (I have this one)
  • OM-1 II: 599g
PEN-F: 427g (plus a bit more for the leather half-case)
And to get an idea of size here are the A6700 + Sigma 18-50mm f2.8, X-S20 + Sigma 18-50mm, and E-M1 II + 12-40mm f2.8:

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Well, this thread is about the PEN-F so, I guess, I should show comparison photos with it. By the way, because the PEN-F is flat in front without even the slightest bit of grip, I added a leather half-case to mine ever since 2016 when I got it because it helps a bit with holding. It also adds about 6mm to the height:

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And here is the comparison:

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Not the best size comparison when using a ~24-80 focal length lens compared to one only 27mm wide. Wouldn’t the Fuji 16-55 be more appropriate for focal length + IQ? It’s a lot larger.
 
As a reminder, the Leica IIIf had a front dial also so that design element of the PEN-F clearly came from it. See this post:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67339662

d9ba5a8207dd443f8e04e41538fd74a7.jpg
Analog versus digital. Back in the days when most controls had to be mechanical the ingeniousness of the camera engineers was truly praiseworthy. Especially when they could place tham in a manner where they would work seamlessly for their intended purpose and with good user ergonomics.
The Rear Window is a famous movie with Jimmy Stewart where his camera plays a central role in the film. A few days ago I watched this fascinating video of a guy who collects cameras and wanted to get exactly the same model of body and lens as in the movie. He lovingly shows them, explains how they work, takes some photos with it, etc.. Worth a watch for anyone who enjoys old cameras.

Testing the Camera from Rear Window (1954)

Come digital there was much more freedom of placement at the same time as a much greater quantity of function capability to control.

Obvious good design of controls and menu structures is required. The design really has to be as considered with as much care as was taken in the development of analog mechanical controls. Care has to be taken to keep the best of analog without aping and cluttering up best practice with unnecessary wheels and dials for no other reason than retro-fashion.

For example why mess up the quite well thought out top plate of the GX7/GX85 to fit in a quite useless mechanical EV dial on the GX9? On the previous models the rear wheel was perfectly placed and with a single click to check and then spin of the same wheel the EV setting is instantly viewed and adjusted if necessary.

Sometimes I think that retro fashion actually takes ergonomics a step backwards.

At other times an evolved interface is too deeply entrenched with its client base where they simply have become used to it (warts and all). It then becomes softly, softly, little changes, and hopefully their customer base will hardly notice it.
 
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Testing the Camera from Rear Window (1954)

Thank you for that video link, enjoyed it. I should be on my metal roof patching rusted through holes, but it's 38C and you could fry eggs on the metal. So a welcome distraction.
 
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Thanks. It has exceeded my expectations so far.
 

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