Sigma Announcement in February - FFF?

xpatUSA said:

Scottelly said:

xpatUSA said:

Scottelly said:

xpatUSA said:

egk4260 said:

DMillier said:

Oh, and is Yamaki really anything like Tesla's boss? From what I gather, Sigma look after their employees very well and treat them with respect and Yamaki isn't on the news all the time for some bizarre outburst or other strangeness.

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One need only to check morning headlines to support your statement. I have never heard that CEO Yamaki and his leadership team at Sigma should start to behave like adults, nor have I seen Sigma performance likened to a trainwreck!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...egging-executives-to-act-like-adults-6a75192e

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LOL ...

This month:

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Here's a more realistic view:

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Hmm, Scott, by showing the 5-yr chart versus my 1-mo chart, you are applying a bit of 'spin', I reckon.

My view is that a "train-wreck" is a short-term event, more realistically represented by my 1-mo chart.

I see that we both use Yahoo Finance ... cool ... :-D

xpatUSA said:

About five years ago I started telling my friends and a few others they should invest in Tesla. Those wo did back then have done quite well. I believe Tesla stock will hit $1,000 within the next five years. Since it's under $200 right now, that would be a great investment if I turn out to be right.

I believe the company will continue to do well in the car business, but even better in the robot business.

If Sigma was as innovative as Tesla (and they are indeed innovative), just in the lens and camera business, I'm sure they would do even better than they've done so far.

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On the other hand:

"According to the latest long-term forecast, Tesla price will hit $200 by the middle of 2024 and then $250 by the end of 2025. Tesla will rise to $300 within the year of 2026, $350 in 2027, $400 in 2028, $450 in 2029 [not $1000], $500 in 2030 and $600 in 2034."

https://coinpriceforecast.com/tesla

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LOL

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LOL?! ... my link was not offered in jest!

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I'm sure it's not Ted, but the name made me laugh, and the fact that someone is actually predicting ten years out is pretty funny, because predicting a company's price each year and then ten years from now is like predicting how many hurricanes will hit land in the eastern U.S. ten years from now - impossible . . . even with all the supercomputers they have these days. Hell, they can't even predict with any significant accuracy how many there will be next year and the year after.

I do have to admit though that I expected 2023 to be a major, breakout year for Tesla, and although the Model Y did end up being the best selling car in Europe (supposedly), their stock price did not double, like I expected it to (from January to December). In fact, the current price is quite a surprise to me. I think it was up to about $250 not too long ago. I'm surprised to see it is down that far right now. I'm sure there is some silly reason, and today's price is just a good opportunity to get it for a bargain price ( . . . says the guy who has never bought a stock in his life). I told people to buy Apple stock back in 2005, when I got myself an iPod, and thought it was amazing. If I had just invested a few grand in that stock back then, I'd be quite the happy camper right now, huh? (Yeah, it's gone up to more than a hundred times what it was worth back then. For the record though, I don't see Tesla stock doing anything like that. I do see it hitting $1,000 in a few years though.)

I use a special crystal ball for these predictions I make. I stole it from Madame Rose's parlor many years ago, back when I was a teenager.



Oh, and I predict that we will at least get some news about the FFF this year.

xpatUSA said:

xpatUSA said:

Well, at least they aren't saying electric cars are a fad, and predicting doom and gloom for the biggest, most innovative electric car company out there. If it does just hit $600 in 2034 then anyone who buys it now, while it's under $200, will do quite well. Triple your money in just ten years is better than most real estate investments, historically, and there's no property tax on stocks. I still think that when Tesla starts selling Optimus II or whatever comes after Optimus, they'll sell quite a lot of them, and just like the cars, there's a lot of profit to be made there, but the batteries in the robots will be much less expensive, and that means there may be more profit in a robot than in a car. Add to that the fact that there is very little competition to be worries about, and the market will be wide open for Tesla to single-handedly solve the labor shortage by selling a few million robots each year to companies that want/need them . . . and eventually to millions of famillies that want a live-in maid, but don't want to pay $600 or more each week to have one. For less than half that they'll be able to finance a Tesla robot for three years, and have something they can sell at the end of the three years, so they can upgrade to the latest, greatest new model, which not only cleans the windows, dishes, and cars, as well as doing the laundry, but it will be a fantastic cook too.

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xpatUSA said:

Doppler9000 said:

xpatUSA said:

My view is that a "train-wreck" is a short-term event, more realistically represented by my 1-mo chart.

I see that we both use Yahoo Finance ... cool ... :-D

xpatUSA said:

About five years ago I started telling my friends and a few others they should invest in Tesla. Those wo did back then have done quite well. I believe Tesla stock will hit $1,000 within the next five years. Since it's under $200 right now, that would be a great investment if I turn out to be right.

I believe the company will continue to do well in the car business, but even better in the robot business.

If Sigma was as innovative as Tesla (and they are indeed innovative), just in the lens and camera business, I'm sure they would do even better than they've done so far.

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On the other hand:

"According to the latest long-term forecast, Tesla price will hit $200 by the middle of 2024 and then $250 by the end of 2025. Tesla will rise to $300 within the year of 2026, $350 in 2027, $400 in 2028, $450 in 2029 [not $1000], $500 in 2030 and $600 in 2034."

https://coinpriceforecast.com/tesla

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Do you trust this forecast?

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Not particularly.

xpatUSA said:

What is it based on?

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They say:

"The system uses prediction models, a set of parameters that the computer can use to make decisions, and a learning component that allows the system to change the parameters based on experience. Over time, a computer transforms its own model and parameters to fit its experience with forecasts and real-world outcomes.

Codes behind deep learning technology combine time series data, media news, regulator activities, coin events (like forks), and traded volumes on the exchanges and their liquidity, etc. The smart system automates the work, leaving human experts to focus on aspects requiring expert judgment and such non-cognitive abilities as social perception and empathy. So, this gives the forecasting system an ability to optimize the results."

https://coinpriceforecast.com/#1

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The site forecasts that Bitcoin will be $164,788 in the middle of 2033, go up to $172,203 by the end of year, dropping to $164,823 in the middle of 2034, and hitting $171,566 by the end of 2034.

It would be interesting to know what sort of algorithm could lead to that level of specificity, with that sort of pattern, 10 years out.

https://coinpriceforecast.com/bitcoin-forecast-2020-2025-2030

MJ_Photo38 said:

Scottelly said:

Well, I'm a huge Elon Musk fan.

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Not going to lie, that right there was enough for me to not read the rest.

I have my own opinions about Elon, but this is a photography forum, not Twitter. This is not the place for it.

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right that!

Scottelly may be a brave guy, but from time to time he reminds me of a certain character in the theatre play "Wainting on Godot"(from S. Beckett) - not to mention the name of. In the play that character is ordered "think!" - and the actor starts to "think"...

Scottelly said:

MJ_Photo38 said:

Scottelly said:

Well, I'm a huge Elon Musk fan.

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Not going to lie, that right there was enough for me to not read the rest.

I have my own opinions about Elon, but this is a photography forum, not Twitter. This is not the place for it.

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This is just one part of one thread, which started out as a speculation about a whether or now we will hear anything from Sigma regarding tge camera that has "been coming" for more than three years now. I really don't think you'd be doing much harm with a short (or even long) side discussion. Yes, I know this is not the Open Talk forum, but as plenty of comparisons could be made between Sigma and Tesla (both have five letters), I think some discussion about the CEO of each company can fit in here.

To present some more similarities . . .

Many said the Cybertruck would never come, as if Tesla couldn't do it. Many have said here that Sigma couldn't make a FFF sensor. I still believe what Mr. Yamaki has said more than just once or twice (that they will make a full-frame X3 sensor, and they will not give up).

There are many nay-sayers, with regard to Sigma's innovative cameras, just like there have been for Tesla, and their innovative cars. I actually watched someone say Tesla didn't know how to build cars, and this was after tgey were churning out thousands of them per month from their giant factory in California, got the highest safety rating in the history of safety ratings (if I remember correctly), and received heaps of applaud from the automotive press (Car And Driver magazine, Motor Trend, etc.).

It's amazing what some people say.

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I think you missed the part where I said "the less I hear about the guy the better", and you come write a whole paragraph about his car brand.

Scottelly said:

Sigma does things differently. So does Tesla. To me, these are all signs that Mr. Yamaki and Mr. Musk are cut from similar cloth.

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They are definitely not, and the idea that one might think that just makes me want to sell my Sigma camera. For real.

I am not sure if I can question your marketing genius and grasp of easy fixes for all the woes in this world, but in regards to health care financed and fixed once and for all by Bezos, Gates, Musk… You do realize that if you could actually liquidate all of their net worth on paper you would raise enough to cover just a small fraction of annual health care expenditures in the US alone. Your plan must include where to come up with the other 95% for this year, and then there is the problem of next year! The impact on the economy would likely be staggering with panic selling when these guys suddenly liquidated their worth on paper. I really doubt Amazon or anyone else truly has the $100+ billion liquid cash on hand to cover that check.

I am not sure how to bring this back to announcements on new Sigma products in February other than to suggest there will be no tabloid fodder generated and moderated by Yamaki, and and it will not be announced on “a platform formerly known as….”.

Scottelly said:

xpatUSA said:

Scottelly said:

xpatUSA said:

egk4260 said:

DMillier said:

Oh, and is Yamaki really anything like Tesla's boss? From what I gather, Sigma look after their employees very well and treat them with respect and Yamaki isn't on the news all the time for some bizarre outburst or other strangeness.

Click to expand...

One need only to check morning headlines to support your statement. I have never heard that CEO Yamaki and his leadership team at Sigma should start to behave like adults, nor have I seen Sigma performance likened to a trainwreck!

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/t...egging-executives-to-act-like-adults-6a75192e

Click to expand...

LOL ...

This month:

Click to expand...

Here's a more realistic view:

Click to expand...

Hmm, Scott, by showing the 5-yr chart versus my 1-mo chart, you are applying a bit of 'spin', I reckon.

My view is that a "train-wreck" is a short-term event, more realistically represented by my 1-mo chart.

I see that we both use Yahoo Finance ... cool ... :-D

Scottelly said:

About five years ago I started telling my friends and a few others they should invest in Tesla. Those wo did back then have done quite well. I believe Tesla stock will hit $1,000 within the next five years. Since it's under $200 right now, that would be a great investment if I turn out to be right.

I believe the company will continue to do well in the car business, but even better in the robot business.

If Sigma was as innovative as Tesla (and they are indeed innovative), just in the lens and camera business, I'm sure they would do even better than they've done so far.

Click to expand...

On the other hand:

"According to the latest long-term forecast, Tesla price will hit $200 by the middle of 2024 and then $250 by the end of 2025. Tesla will rise to $300 within the year of 2026, $350 in 2027, $400 in 2028, $450 in 2029 [not $1000], $500 in 2030 and $600 in 2034."

https://coinpriceforecast.com/tesla

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LOL

Well, at least they aren't saying electric cars are a fad, and predicting doom and gloom for the biggest, most innovative electric car company out there. If it does just hit $600 in 2034 then anyone who buys it now, while it's under $200, will do quite well. Triple your money in just ten years is better than most real estate investments, historically, and there's no property tax on stocks. I still think that when Tesla starts selling Optimus II or whatever comes after Optimus, they'll sell quite a lot of them, and just like the cars, there's a lot of profit to be made there, but the batteries in the robots will be much less expensive, and that means there may be more profit in a robot than in a car. Add to that the fact that there is very little competition to be worries about, and the market will be wide open for Tesla to single-handedly solve the labor shortage by selling a few million robots each year to companies that want/need them . . . and eventually to millions of famillies that want a live-in maid, but don't want to pay $600 or more each week to have one. For less than half that they'll be able to finance a Tesla robot for three years, and have something they can sell at the end of the three years, so they can upgrade to the latest, greatest new model, which not only cleans the windows, dishes, and cars, as well as doing the laundry, but it will be a fantastic cook too.

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I still have occasional nightmares about waking up to find my toaster standing over me wielding a carving knife...

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MJ_Photo38 said:

Scottelly said:

MJ_Photo38 said:

Scottelly said:

Well, I'm a huge Elon Musk fan.

Click to expand...

Not going to lie, that right there was enough for me to not read the rest.

I have my own opinions about Elon, but this is a photography forum, not Twitter. This is not the place for it.

Click to expand...

This is just one part of one thread, which started out as a speculation about a whether or now we will hear anything from Sigma regarding tge camera that has "been coming" for more than three years now. I really don't think you'd be doing much harm with a short (or even long) side discussion. Yes, I know this is not the Open Talk forum, but as plenty of comparisons could be made between Sigma and Tesla (both have five letters), I think some discussion about the CEO of each company can fit in here.

To present some more similarities . . .

Many said the Cybertruck would never come, as if Tesla couldn't do it. Many have said here that Sigma couldn't make a FFF sensor. I still believe what Mr. Yamaki has said more than just once or twice (that they will make a full-frame X3 sensor, and they will not give up).

There are many nay-sayers, with regard to Sigma's innovative cameras, just like there have been for Tesla, and their innovative cars. I actually watched someone say Tesla didn't know how to build cars, and this was after tgey were churning out thousands of them per month from their giant factory in California, got the highest safety rating in the history of safety ratings (if I remember correctly), and received heaps of applaud from the automotive press (Car And Driver magazine, Motor Trend, etc.).

It's amazing what some people say.

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I think you missed the part where I said "the less I hear about the guy the better", and you come write a whole paragraph about his car brand.

MJ_Photo38 said:

Sigma does things differently. So does Tesla. To me, these are all signs that Mr. Yamaki and Mr. Musk are cut from similar cloth.

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They are definitely not, and the idea that one might think that just makes me want to sell my Sigma camera. For real.

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Musk is a raging anti-semite. Apple CEO Cook says they have monthly meetings at Apple over his anti-semitism. When brought up, he told the advertisers where to go. Anyone who can't understand why Apple would have a problem with their logo appearing next to gauche 1940's style German **** promotional materials, and passes it off as "free speech", does not see the problem, has a deep problem. His own companies are worried that his own admitted drug use will get their contracts with the govt revoked. Also, do not respond. This is, except for my one statement about having a problem, not up for debate. It is a matter of public record. Also, not up for debate is that Must reposts s*** from the most virulent and notorious **** promoters on his platform. But if you subscribe to a certain mindset, this is, almost certainly, a virtue. His ego is notorious and will instantly fire anyone who dares contradict him. Contrast that with Mr. Yamaki, who is described as the most honest and open of all camera manufacturer CEOs. He said Sigma employees have to respect each other. These two are not even in the same universe, let alone "cut from the same cloth".

Ceistinne said:

Scott,

What has Tesla or any other cars have to do with Sigma the Camera and lens company.?

S

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They both use batteries and both experience a reduction in battery capacity when it gets cold outside?



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