Best Zeiss Lens for Sony a7rV

I am relatively new to Sony MILC's with the a7rV. I am well aware of the Zeiss "look" and the 3D "pop". I interested to know from those in the know which of the Zeiss lenses is consider to be a "must have" for its character. I am a freelancer who does street photography, nature and wildlife, and macro.
I like Zeiss Loxia lenses, mainly on their top-grade sunstars. Used to own Loxia 21, 35 and still have Loxia 85, the sharpest Loxia lens with best sunstars and punchy colors. Also used to own 135 Batis.



Loxia 85

Loxia 85



Loxia 85

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I am well aware of the Zeiss "look" and the 3D "pop".
Perhaps someone with extensive experience with a range of Zeiss lenses can correct me, but I'm not convinced that there is any particular Zeiss "look". There is actually considerable variation in the Zeiss family of lenses--but some of them are indeed excellent. I suppose that Zeiss might have emphasized lower cycles/mm contrast while Leica went for more detail but less contrast, but such distinctions may have diminished with the proliferation of lenses, lens lines and brands.

It's not clear to me that, for example, all of the Batis lenses and all of the Loxia lenses--whether within or between those lens lines--share a particular "look". I enjoy my Loxia 25, but I'm not convinced that (although it seems similar to the excellent 85) it has all that much in common with the Loxia 35. I've never used the awesome Zeiss Milvus or Otus lenses, but the one lens that I have owned that gave me what I believe could exemplify what many might believe is a Zeiss look is the ZM 35/1.4. (I sold that lens and purchased the Voigtlander 35 APO, which also has excellent color and contrast but which plays better with the Sony filter stack.) You might try that one, and just close it down when needed to deal with the filter stack-induced field curvature. It's sweet.
I dont have extensive experience with Zeiss lenses but I have had about 5 so far, I agree about not all Zeiss lenses sharing the same look, but I do find each Zeiss lens or most have their own individual characteristics. For example...
  • The Zeiss 35 distagon and the 40mm batis (also a distagon design) render depth and space really nicely.





https://www.flickr.com/photos/188776658@N06/51853921868/in/pool-distagon_35mm/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/188776658@N06/51854167619/in/pool-distagon_35mm/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/takaogi/52632240990/in/pool-4537309@N21/
  • The Zeiss Planar 85mm can sometimes produce "3D pop"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/schmejkal/14975290321/in/pool-1084653@N20/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/katzenfutter/52272891123/in/pool-planar85mm/
  • Some lenses like some of the loxia line produce what I would call "atmospheric" photos with very nice colors.
  • The Zeiss Planar 50mm 1.4 ZE\ZF\ZM which many consider the worst of the ZEiss classic series produces really smooth bokeh and can be used to create artistic shots when sharpness is not critical
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mickevmix/53349169298/in/pool-planar50mm/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mickevmix/53410682889/in/pool-planar50mm/

I have also seen many instances of classic Zeiss rendering being described as oil painting like.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/51352527@N00/52429091376/in/pool-1084653@N20/
 
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I am relatively new to Sony MILC's with the a7rV. I am well aware of the Zeiss "look" and the 3D "pop". I interested to know from those in the know which of the Zeiss lenses is consider to be a "must have" for its character. I am a freelancer who does street photography, nature and wildlife, and macro.
I am huge Zeiss fan and currently have totally 14 of them across 3 systems, all the "real" manual focus Zeiss including those DSLR Milvus series and more modern E-mount Loxia, Out of totally 7x E-mount Zeiss Loxia and Voigtlander combined, my vote goes to the Voigtlander 35 F2 APO, to my own eyes is the is the best of the best out of them, followed by the Voigtlanader 21 F1.4, then the Zeiss Loxia 85 and Voigtlander 65. The Loxia 50 and Voigtlander 50 F2 is not far behind but since I am no fan of 50 in terms of the Focal length, two Loxia to stay away is the 21 and 35, both have massive field curvature and it's a pain to deal with. they both have the signiture Zeiss pop and local contrast though, just the massive field curvature you have to be careful with. if you are the kind of person does a lot focus stacking, then no issues, I just go lazy these day ever since I got the Voigtlander 21 and 35 APO.

Notice I did not include any Batis in my list, I had totally 3 of them at one point, pre-ordered, and not knowing what I am getting into, LOL, but all sold shortly after, I don't see anything " Zeiss" about those plastic AF lens, they are all just over-priced Tamron with a Zeiss logo to me.

For your street photography, the Voigtlander 40 F1.2 may be a good option for you, and if you are going after the " classic" look, there is also Voigtlander 35 F1.4, pretty cheap and small, i personal hate that lens and one of the handful of lens I sent it back with in a week, but those who love the so called " classic" look love that, to me it's just plain soft, . there is also the Auto Focus Sony/Zeiss 55 1.8, used to be pretty popular, but I hate that lens also, it produces pretty ugly Bokeh to my eyes, and I sold it long time ago and never look back, but the lens still have a lot of supporters even today in this forum.

For macro, both Voigtlander 65 and 110 will do, not exactly a 1:1 macro but pretty close, both are fantastic, both optically and mechanically.

I would not recommend Zeiss for Wildlife at all, a cheap Sigma telephoto will serve much better than any Zeiss in this application.
 
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I used to own the 55mm f1.8 but sold it due to getting the 50mm f1.2 GM. The 55mm does its best work stopped down in my opinion, at wider apertures I found its bokeh to be often busy and ugly but it is also capable of producing pleasant images at times as well whereas my GM always renders nicely.

I don’t have much experience with the 50mm f1.4 Planar but it definitely has tons of 3d pop and can produce wonderful images. It has some sharpness fall off based what sone people report its still an excellent choice especially if you find a good 2nd copy.
 
Zeiss Planar 50/1.4 ZA

Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 ZA - very nice bokeh wide open,stop it down to f8 for best Zeiss look

Zeiss ZA 55/1.8 with some PP

Zeiss ZA 35/2.8 with some PP
 
The Zeiss line-up is quite deep and can be confusing. They're not co-branding lenses with Sony any longer except for the compacts and lenses. Seems wrong. Sony has made their own GM versions of all the Sony Zeiss lenses.

The Zeiss line-up;

Otus - top of the line performance, no compromises but manual focus, big and heavy but amazing . Have tried and crazy sharp but too big for daily use (for me).

Milvus - Superbly old school made lenses with outstanding IQ but manual focus, for Canon and Nikon mount, smaller than Otus but still big and heavy. Tried the 100 macro and it was outstanding.

Batis - AF, lighterweight lenses for Sony E mount. Nice series, IQ is great and contrasty. personal taste on look, have the 135mm f2.8 and it's outstanding

Loxia - compact Leica M 'like' lenses with decent speed and performance in manual focus package. They feel premium in the hand. I have the 50mm and love it.

I'm a Zeiss fan, but Sony glass has really stepped up to in recent years. As good as anything out there.
 
I am relatively new to Sony MILC's with the a7rV. I am well aware of the Zeiss "look" and the 3D "pop". I interested to know from those in the know which of the Zeiss lenses is consider to be a "must have" for its character. I am a freelancer who does street photography, nature and wildlife, and macro.
Have a look at these sites:


 
I am relatively new to Sony MILC's with the a7rV. I am well aware of the Zeiss "look" and the 3D "pop". I interested to know from those in the know which of the Zeiss lenses is consider to be a "must have" for its character. I am a freelancer who does street photography, nature and wildlife, and macro.
I haven't seen a Zeiss look from the Zeiss branded lenses I've used. I have read some opinions about it. The ZA offerings are more has-beens than must-haves. They also seem to require multiple samplings. Good luck!

Maybe 1.8/55ZA Sonnar? (until we get a 50ish F1.8 G)
Agreed, and I'd only buy the 55/1.8 used (in the US), because the new price is ridiculous... There's also the Sigma 50/2 DN. I used to lust after the Batis 135/2.8, largely for the weight, but the APO design had some appeal... The Samyang 135/1.8 made me forget about it entirely. The Loxias might be the only Zeiss lenses that are still relevant to an extent (21/2.8 in particular, maybe the 85), but people seem to seek them out for the sunstars and the MF feel more than any special rendering traits like "3D pop".

This might be a better question for the adapted lens forum since there might be a few adapted Zeiss that could still be gems, rather than the somewhat dated mirrorless ones with AF which were really Sony (ZA) or Tamrons (Batis) with Zeiss branding and input. Native Cosina Voigtlanders are worth a look too, they might be closer to what you're looking for. The current crop of G/GMs are no slouches, I find the flare resistance on the sides pretty impressive.
 
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What about this one?

https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c...1B69CE53C95B32FCA1655B8A45F1241F79D9EEA/11/en
Quite of the Batis lenses appear in Tamron owned patents as well.
According to some those patents are for autofocus mechanism. Zeiss never designed autofocus self always by someone els like I think Kyocera for Contax N and Contax G.
[Title of the invention] INNER FOCUS LENS AND IMAGING APPARATUS

Yes, nowhere is clearly stated that the optical design is made by Tamron.

Why should Tamron design better lenses for the competition?
 
Well, it is translated. It does get into the different types of elements used.

To me that translation sounds like "AF Lens". That doesn't necessarily mean they are talking about AF and stabilization only.

I judge lenses on their optical merits, not hung up on who designs them. They do have Zeiss coatings. Maybe it is a Zeiss design, maybe not.

I have all the Batis lenses except the 85. I have all the Loxia lenses except the 35 and 50. I'm pretty sure the Sony/Zeiss 55/1.8 was designed by Sony (including the optical design), but it was a great lens back in the day. Still a pretty darn good lens.
What about this one?

https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c...1B69CE53C95B32FCA1655B8A45F1241F79D9EEA/11/en
Quite of the Batis lenses appear in Tamron owned patents as well.
According to some those patents are for autofocus mechanism. Zeiss never designed autofocus self always by someone els like I think Kyocera for Contax N and Contax G.
[Title of the invention] INNER FOCUS LENS AND IMAGING APPARATUS

Yes, nowhere is clearly stated that the optical design is made by Tamron.

Why should Tamron design better lenses for the competition?
 
I judge lenses on their optical merits, not hung up on who designs them. They do have Zeiss coatings. Maybe it is a Zeiss design, maybe not.

I have all the Batis lenses except the 85. I have all the Loxia lenses except the 35 and 50. I'm pretty sure the Sony/Zeiss 55/1.8 was designed by Sony (including the optical design), but it was a great lens back in the day. Still a pretty darn good lens.
That's fine:-) But why are you telling me this:-)
 
What about this one?

https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c...1B69CE53C95B32FCA1655B8A45F1241F79D9EEA/11/en
Quite of the Batis lenses appear in Tamron owned patents as well.
According to some those patents are for autofocus mechanism. Zeiss never designed autofocus self always by someone els like I think Kyocera for Contax N and Contax G.
[Title of the invention] INNER FOCUS LENS AND IMAGING APPARATUS

Yes, nowhere is clearly stated that the optical design is made by Tamron.

Why should Tamron design better lenses for the competition?
 
I don't know, why do you keep replying?
 
"Zeiss look" is a myth instead of practical advantage. All Zeiss lenses are outdated, there are better IQ alternatives. Of course this isn't mean they are bad, opposite, quite good lenses but I wouldn't chase them for some kind of mythical optical superiority. If I find used in a bargain price I may buy, but if I want best then Sony GM, Sigma 35 1.2, 65 f2, 85 1.4, 104 1.4, Voigltander APO's, or same optical quality in cheaper, lighter lenses.
 

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