3D-Printed 3D Pancake Lenses?

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Here's a bit of a teaser for some projects I'm messing with: stereo lenses! A certain bokeh-exploring stereogram master here in the Adapted Lens Talk forum has inspired me, and I figured it would be fun to try it out with some Surplus Shed optics and some 3D-prints! I'll definitely still try out the sequential photos technique as well, but this thread is for the potentially ill-conceived projects. The amount of 3D-depth these can produce is a bit surprising given the relatively small distance between their "eyes," even if it's still a bit like looking at a diorama!

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Robo-Bonobo (left - with 37mm f/2.67-ish lenses - why does he have a face? Don't ask me) and in the center mounted to the S5 is a dual 25mm f/2.67-ish pancake lens. These are sitting on my 3D-printer, a Bambu Lab A1 Mini (love it by the way, it's been in "it just works" mode for a couple months straight out of the box). Both binocular optics have a rear baffle to mostly keep their sensor halves separate. Both adaptations have the same small "inter-pupillary distance". Both are wall-eyed. Fun fact: this photo was taken by a third 37mm lens adapted to M42.

The Optics

Surplus Shed has a couple of mounted lens assemblies that looked interesting to me. They go on sale every once in a while.
  • The estimated-to-be 37mm f/2.67-ish lens is sold by Surplus Shed as a 40mm lens assembly . It comes with its own focus helical that is easily mounted and it was likely destined to be in a film-era AF or MF point-and-shoot (I cannot yet identify which one) with a max aperture of f/2.8 positioned directly behind the lens. Depending on the marketing department's mood it was probably shipped as a 35mm, 38mm, or 40mm optic, but never as what it really is hehe. The optics employ a Tessar-type design; 4 elements in 3 groups with a doublet in the rear.
    • Having bought a total of five of them, sample variation is pretty low(!), build quality is high (nice coatings, good edge-blackening), and image quality is very nice, but three out of the five unfortunately have noticeable strands of fungus internally - one eye in my 37mm doodad has some - like father like son.
    • The build and image quality is reminiscent of the lens from a Pentax PC35AF, which I adapted in the past, but these are not the same.
    • On their own these have 4mm of safe focusing extension for a theoretical MFD of 0.42 meters give or take.
  • The 25mm f/2.67-ish lens is sold as being a 22mm triplet magnifier with an aperture close to f/2! Unfortunately that is not quite the case, but it's not all bad news. The true focal length is closer to 25mm or 1-inch, and the aperture is closer to f/2.8, but it is also an admirably performing Tessar-type with decent coatings. It performs well in the MFT image circle, while definitely not (understandably) covering FF. I have to wonder what their intended/original use case was as it does seem to be corrected for photography.
    • These are built nicely enough but the lens housings are of the sealed metal variety so they can't be easily improved upon (ZERO edge-blackening, it's a snowy mess in there that flares hard) or adjusted (one of two "eyes" is differently coated and is also mildly defective [stressed/crooked elements]).
    • The retaining hardware is very shiny which may account for some additional flaring and off-axis wonkiness.
    • These were threaded into a 3D-print to have about 3mm of safe focusing extension for a theoretical MFD of about 0.27 meters give or take.
Some Image Samples

Below are some sample images taken by the doodads in their current form. Instead of having each lens image on exactly half of the sensor, the left and right lenses are pushed towards the outer edge of the sensor by about 2mm apiece. This was due to the size of the 37mm lenses, but the blessing in disguise here is that the IPD is increased, which hopefully helps with any 3D depth captured. I decided to put the 25mm lenses at the same position in case the possibility of slapping some prisms and/or mirrors in front of these becomes more than a possibility.

An uncropped shot of what it's like to shoot with the dual 37mm
An uncropped shot of what it's like to shoot with the dual 37mm

In this uncropped shot there are a couple of things I'd like to point out - as much as a third of the sensor is wasted mainly in the center where the images bleed together a little, and because the lenses are wall-eyed (what I mean by that is that they can't gimbal to a central subject like our eyes), the useful field of view narrows further starting from the edges of the sensor. I believe this gets worse as you focus closer. One other thing to notice is that both of these lenses can be a bit bubbly in terms of bokeh - this could prove to be very fun when singly adapted for some macros/close-ups!

The rest of the samples will be cut up a bit, and you're expected to use the cross-eyed viewing method, which can be straining. I am not able to do the parallel eyes method, try as I might. It may help to put blinders on some glasses to force your left eye to look right, and your right eye to look left. Hands work just as well. While there is no way to view these zoomed in and still in stereo, I've left them at full size in case someone has an 8K monitor/TV or in case anyone wants to peep some fine details, of which there are plenty if you care to find them.

37mm now cropped. All the images from now on will take this format. You may notice that your eyes are pretty good at cropping away portions of the image that don't quite work, making for an even-thinner-than-expected sliver of an image in the final view.
37mm now cropped. All the images from now on will take this format. You may notice that your eyes are pretty good at cropping away portions of the image that don't quite work, making for an even-thinner-than-expected sliver of an image in the final view.

37mm.
37mm.

37mm.
37mm.

37mm
37mm

A stereo crop from the image above.
A stereo crop from the image above.

25mm.
25mm.

25mm.
25mm.

25mm.
25mm.

A stereo crop of the image above centered on my intended focus point. There's definitely some depth here.
A stereo crop of the image above centered on my intended focus point. There's definitely some depth here.

25mm
25mm

stooomed in once more
stooomed in once more

25mm
25mm

And lastly here's a couple from a single 25mm:

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Some sample footage...

Well, I don't have any to share yet. But it's totally doable and not too hard to look at! Both Robo-Bonobo and the dual 25mm pancake have 62mm filter threads that I'll need to employ for the footage hehe.

Some thoughts...
  • This has been all sorts of things - fun, challenging, silly, etc.
  • I'm currently using a rear baffle/divider that can only get so close to the sensor - if you have any tips as to how to improve it, or if you have thoughts about a front-mounted solution, please chime in!
  • I will likely eventually rig up some prisms / mirrors 1) to overcome the wall-eye and 2) to increase the IPD, especially if salvage from defective binoculars and dead SLRs (both of which I have a few) have enough coverage.
    • I will probably also pick up a viewer and one of the David White Stereo Realist bricks to view/shoot some film 3D photos with it eventually.
    • I will probably NOT get any of Leica's stereo lens sets hehe.
  • Being wall-eyed doesn't matter a whole lot at infinity, but the imagery is especially paper cut-out diorama-like there.
  • The image processing and viewing pipeline is a bit of a clustertruck right now.
  • Composing shots is not easy, and I'm learning to work around the wall-eye limitation.
    • My S5's nifty custom overlay feature is a little helpful for this.
    • It seems especially important to keep the camera parallel with the hor[eyes]on.
  • You can compose images on the back LCD while cross-eyed - if your subjects can't help but laugh at you, maybe one could get some great stereo portraits!
 

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What fun! Very effective. Thanks!

Best wishes,
Sterling
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Lens Grit
 
The resulting images look fine to me. The 3D printer too, could be a nice upgrade for my 3D printing as well.

On the images separation: I could not make a decent separation at the rear of my odd dual lens adapter as the blind would block the A7RII shutter. So I added two blinds at the front of the adapter, later on two adjustable blinds. With Black 3.0 it works quite well.

See: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64214444

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
No photographer's gear list is complete without the printer mentioned !
 
The resulting images look fine to me.
Thanks! These little lenses are great, aren't they? I guess Tessar designs perform pretty well at any size.
The 3D printer too, could be a nice upgrade for my 3D printing as well.
It's a great cantilever bed-slinger. I was apprehensive about it being a cantilevered design but with the aluminum extrusions and linear rails it's quite sturdy, and I like the aesthetics. Their slicer is intertwined with PrusaSlicer and Orca, so I'm familiar with it and it gets new features quickly. I thought the steel nozzle would be an upgrade and be more durable, but I wonder if its lower temperature stability compared to brass in combination with a small loud cooling solution is helping to cause some extra stringing. I still haven't tried to tune the filament settings very much but it typically needs higher temps than the brass nozzles I was using on the Prusa MK3S when I had access to it.

The non-mini A1, which launched a couple weeks after I bought the mini (*arg*), alleviates some peoples' main complaints about the Mini with a more standard bed size and a second vertical rail, and its target market seems to be those looking at a Prusa MK3/MK3S/MK4, or an AnkerMake M5 series. The print head is exactly the same as the Mini - all the parts are interchangeable.

Bambu Lab gets a lot of love for their CoreXY line as well. I wasn't ready to dive into one of those, and the use of carbon fiber rods in those didn't sit right with me anyways hehe.
On the images separation: I could not make a decent separation at the rear of my odd dual lens adapter as the blind would block the A7RII shutter. So I added two blinds at the front of the adapter, later on two adjustable blinds. With Black 3.0 it works quite well.

See: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64214444

Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst
No photographer's gear list is complete without the printer mentioned !
Ooo I like those, thanks Ernst! Going with two different focal lengths is a fun twist too. Those barn doors sure beat dialing in some hoods with multiple prints and revisions! With something like that up front these would no longer be pancake-y, but they also won't be pancakes if/when there are some prisms and/or mirrors slapped in front.
 
Brilliant work!

You should try some moving objects, as being dual lens simutaneous capture. you will be able to "freeze" them. Subject motion is the bane of my life with my sequential capture method.

It's not just the main subject, moving background details like leaves and branches can be very distracting, even if they are heavily bokeh-fied.

What a cracking idea!
 
Thank you, sensei! Good call on capturing motion in stereo.... Whether it's stills or video! I'll have to hunt down some critters, plan a trip to some waves or running water (a hike would do me some good), and/or catch some cats or dogs at play.
 
Cheers Sterling! You may end up enjoying slapping one or two of the 37mm lenses on your GFX, or four of the 25mm....!
 

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