Q: Why do people still use Photoshop CS6 from 2013

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Why are folks using 10 year old software when there are modern cheaper alternatives actively supported today?

Does it even run on modern computers?

E.g.: Affinity Photo,, GIMP etc.
 
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I use the $10/mo photography package and its been a game changer for me. The amount of workflow time saved with the more modern toolset means more time to go out and shoot.
That is great. Everyone should use what makes them happy.

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So, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "relatively recent hardware". And MS DOES have cutoff dates for hardware that supports their software and OS. Just the same as Apple, and even some *NIX systems, as well. If a Mac doesn't work for you, that's fine. But saying they're incompatible isn't totally true.
This side discussion has diverged far from the original topic. Regarding that, lots of software that was written 10 or 20 years ago, like old Photoshop versions, runs natively and perfectly on the newest Windows machines. Apparently that isn't the case in the Mac world.
 
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Heck, I run still CS6 and the only reason I bought it in the first place was as a delivery platform for Kai's Power Tools. : )
 
So, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "relatively recent hardware". And MS DOES have cutoff dates for hardware that supports their software and OS. Just the same as Apple, and even some *NIX systems, as well. If a Mac doesn't work for you, that's fine. But saying they're incompatible isn't totally true.
This side discussion has diverged far from the original topic. Regarding that, lots of software that was written 10 or 20 years ago, like old Photoshop versions, runs natively and perfectly on the newest Windows machines. Apparently that isn't the case in the Mac world.
I was curoius about why people use 10+ year old software. I suspect this is rather a small part of the user base since Adobe has had record profits in the last few years based on their rental model.

So I get people are frugal and happy using what they bought in 2013. This is fine.

Since I choose to use the latest version of software for most applications I just wanted to undersand the reasoning and many contributors to this thread did a great job doing that! Thanks.

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So, I suppose it depends on what you mean by "relatively recent hardware". And MS DOES have cutoff dates for hardware that supports their software and OS. Just the same as Apple, and even some *NIX systems, as well. If a Mac doesn't work for you, that's fine. But saying they're incompatible isn't totally true.
This side discussion has diverged far from the original topic. Regarding that, lots of software that was written 10 or 20 years ago, like old Photoshop versions, runs natively and perfectly on the newest Windows machines. Apparently that isn't the case in the Mac world.
I was curoius about why people use 10+ year old software. I suspect this is rather a small part of the user base since Adobe has had record profits in the last few years based on their rental model.
It may be a large part of the user base numerically, but it probably generated a very small proportion of the revenue. It's the many amateurs who make limited use of a small part of the functionality of PS, and assume they would make even less use of the new, more advanced features in later versions. Many such people might upgrade occasionally if that remained an option, but can live with the old version that continues to do what they need, in a familiar way. It does work on modern hardware, and will run much faster on a 2023 machine than it did on a 2013 model.
So I get people are frugal and happy using what they bought in 2013. This is fine.
Many people just have a strong dislike of a rental model. They probably do not upgrade every year with perpetual licenced software, but might do so every 2-3 years if the new features are tempting. But they object in principle to being forced to pay for upgrades they wouldn't have chosen to buy, even if the rental price is quite reasonable.

Conversely, graphics professionals or keen amateurs, whose workflow is based on Adobe software, would probably upgrade almost every year anyway, and find the rental model convenient and cost-effective. They make up the majority of Adobe's revenue base, but perhaps not its user base.
Since I choose to use the latest version of software for most applications I just wanted to undersand the reasoning and many contributors to this thread did a great job doing that! Thanks.
 
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Everything you believe about Windows is based on hearsay and not personal experience. I actually own Windows machines and have been a user since the 90s and the old 3.0/ DOS days. Because of my experience my observations about Windows are accurate while yours are not. Windows has evolved from an unstable virus vulnerable OS that had to be reinstalled every 6 months to a year to a robust solid platform that is the equal of Apple/Mac in every way. I use my Windows machines for years and upgrade them only when new software runs too slowly due to increased hardware requirements. This is true with both Windows and Mac. Recently I replaced my 7-year-old Windows machine only because the latest video and RAW editors ran too slowly for my admittedly impatient personality. Yes, they did function but heck, why not? I've got the money and at 78 I can't take it with me.
 
Many people just have a strong dislike of a rental model. They probably do not upgrade every year with perpetual licenced software, but might do so every 2-3 years if the new features are tempting. But they object in principle to being forced to pay for upgrades they wouldn't have chosen to buy, even if the rental price is quite reasonable.

Conversely, graphics professionals or keen amateurs, whose workflow is based on Adobe software, would probably upgrade almost every year anyway, and find the rental model convenient and cost-effective. They make up the majority of Adobe's revenue base, but perhaps not its user base.
I wonder if there is anyway of knowing the percentage of Photoshop/LR users using legacy software vs the cohort on subscripion.

Also, there may be a large number of PS licenses for the pre-subscription era out there, like mine, that are no longer used. So it may be true there is a large number of these lifetime licenses it does not translate to the current user base which I supsect, but do not know, is comprised of renters.


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I don't know about Macs but my iPhone needs updating far more than my Win 11 machine does. Microsoft is constantly adding new features to Windows, hence the regular upgrades, but doesn't charge for them.
 
Funny. I installed a new, fresh battery into my 2012 MacBook Pro by myself without any issues. I will agree, though, that with the newer MacBook Pros, that might not be the case.

Sam
I think it's most relevant what is true now, not in 2012. That's why I previously emphasized that now Windows is a very stable and Robust OS compared to 20 years ago and has been since Windows 7.
 
Everything you believe about Windows is based on hearsay and not personal experience. I actually own Windows machines and have been a user since the 90s and the old 3.0/ DOS days. Because of my experience my observations about Windows are accurate while yours are not. Windows has evolved from an unstable virus vulnerable OS that had to be reinstalled every 6 months to a year to a robust solid platform that is the equal of Apple/Mac in every way. I use my Windows machines for years and upgrade them only when new software runs too slowly due to increased hardware requirements. This is true with both Windows and Mac. Recently I replaced my 7-year-old Windows machine only because the latest video and RAW editors ran too slowly for my admittedly impatient personality. Yes, they did function but heck, why not? I've got the money and at 78 I can't take it with me.
Tom,

And you think because I have Macs at home that I have NO experience with Windows?! In my working career as a technical writer and editor, the VAST majority of my experience is on Windows machines. I'e also used Macs and Sun Solaris machines for work, as well. Admittedly, my experience with Windows machines here lately is more limited, even though I have a Windows laptop for work, I still have SOME ideas about what I'm saying.

You, on the other hand, are basing your comments ONLY on whatever you read online, with NO practical experience with Macs, based on what you've said here and elsewhere. But don't assume the reverse is also true here.

Sam
 
Funny. I installed a new, fresh battery into my 2012 MacBook Pro by myself without any issues. I will agree, though, that with the newer MacBook Pros, that might not be the case.

Sam
I think it's most relevant what is true now, not in 2012. That's why I previously emphasized that now Windows is a very stable and Robust OS compared to 20 years ago and has been since Windows 7.
I didn't say ANYTHING about replacing the battery in 2012. I DID say the laptop is a 2012 model, though. The battery was replaced about three years ago. I also agreed that Apple's latest laptops and even their desktops aren't quite as user friendly in the regard of upgrading/replacing things as they used to be. This is due largely to their move to the M architecture for the desktops and the drive for ever-thinner and ever-lighter laptops. Here's an interesting idea in WIndows laptops, and I'm pretty glad to see someone doing something like this. AFAIK, this is the ONLY such example available, at least on a mass scale.

https://frame.work/

Yes, Windows is significantly more stable now than it used to be. I've never stated otherwise. And I have experience with Win7 and Win10, but very limited with Win11.

Sam
 
Everything you believe about Windows is based on hearsay and not personal experience. I actually own Windows machines and have been a user since the 90s and the old 3.0/ DOS days. Because of my experience my observations about Windows are accurate while yours are not. Windows has evolved from an unstable virus vulnerable OS that had to be reinstalled every 6 months to a year to a robust solid platform that is the equal of Apple/Mac in every way. I use my Windows machines for years and upgrade them only when new software runs too slowly due to increased hardware requirements. This is true with both Windows and Mac. Recently I replaced my 7-year-old Windows machine only because the latest video and RAW editors ran too slowly for my admittedly impatient personality. Yes, they did function but heck, why not? I've got the money and at 78 I can't take it with me.
Tom,

And you think because I have Macs at home that I have NO experience with Windows?! In my working career as a technical writer and editor, the VAST majority of my experience is on Windows machines. I'e also used Macs and Sun Solaris machines for work, as well. Admittedly, my experience with Windows machines here lately is more limited, even though I have a Windows laptop for work, I still have SOME ideas about what I'm saying.

You, on the other hand, are basing your comments ONLY on whatever you read online, with NO practical experience with Macs, based on what you've said here and elsewhere. But don't assume the reverse is also true here.

Sam
I based my comments on using Windows machines. I made no judgements about Macs because of my limited experience with the OS. I doubted your experience with Windows machines because your comments were blatantly false. The biggest difference between the two is the hardware. Because only Apple makes Mac machines, they can tightly control what works best. I buy only Dell because I have learned they make excellent machines with multiple configurations and use only hardware they know is reliable. They clearly define which configurations are best for which uses. I also stick with higher end hardware. Apple does not sell cheaper machines with inferior hardware while there are cheap Windows machines available with inferior hardware which, if you are a power user, will not last as long. I suspect your impressions about Windows machines are hardware related and not OS related.
 
cheap Windows machines available with inferior hardware which, if you are a power user, will not last as long.
These less expensive windows based machines maybe all that a person can afford.

Think of them as entry level machines.
 
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cheap Windows machines available with inferior hardware which, if you are a power user, will not last as long.
These less expensive windows based machines maybe all that a person can afford.

Think of them as entry level machines.
Yes, and they may be fine for light users. But their possibly flimsy construction has nothing to do with Windows, and they will, unless of a really low standard, run all Windows software. Of course, if the cost-cutting is based on fitting inadequate RAM or storage, or using a very low powered CPU, they may be too slow for photo editing (but fine for web browsing and simple office applications).

But as Tom says, high quality, how powered Windows machines are also available. It's one of the beauties of the Windows eco-system that there is a very wide range of hardware available, and you can build (or have built) exactly the machine that suits your needs, with your own choice of most components. Apple hardware is also good quality, but there's only a much more limited range of configurations available, and it's generally more expensive than the equivalent Windows specifications.

I have all my machines built for me by a specialist local workstation manufacturer, and have a consultation with their CTO about the specifications of each new machine I buy, and exactly how I want it configured. I can even request that the same guy who's built all my previous ones over the last two decades build the latest one. These guys are contemptuous of the build quality of Dell machines, reckoning that Dell sources too many just-adequate components.
 
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Yes, but only after your questions were answered. You know that it will run on the latest hardware, and why many casual users are content to keep using it. They don't think they need or would use the latest features, and would resent having to pay for them regardless. So they're quite happy to keep using a familiar version that does all they want, and much quicker than it did when they first used it.
 
These guys are contemptuous of the build quality of Dell machines, reckoning that Dell sources too many just-adequate components.
Or they consider Dell a competitor and will denigrate that competitor to boost their business.
 
This thread has gone completely off track.
No it hasn't because what software you can use is highly dependent on the hardware you use.
 
This thread has gone completely off track.
No it hasn't because what software you can use is highly dependent on the hardware you use.
Agreed. I do not do video, except for phone and field camera. For fun one day I looked into what was required, hardware wise, to do video editing. My current computer can not handle video editing and cannot be upgraded to do so.
 
These guys are contemptuous of the build quality of Dell machines, reckoning that Dell sources too many just-adequate components.
Or they consider Dell a competitor and will denigrate that competitor to boost their business.
No, Dell isn't remotely a competitor. It's a mass market supplier, aiming at a completely different market.

These guys build custom, specialist workstations, and don't even do laptops.
 

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