New Panasonic G100D is announced

True, but they still have to replace the USB connector with USB-C by December 2024 if they want to keep selling it in the EU.
No, they do not. This is blatant nonsense. All existing products and anything released before the end of 2024 can continue as they are. Only products released after the end of 2024 must have USB-C.
That's an interesting point, but if they wanted to improve the EVF (which it seems they did), it is a new model and hence they need USB-C.

I see your point, but just thought ironically in the case of the G100D, they would have to do it for being a new model (because EVF).

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One thing overlooked is that this shutter is *very quiet* and it's still mechanical allowing you to shoot at night at fast shutter speeds (up to 1/500 - that's fast enough to freeze most subjects at night) without incurring in rolling shutter or artificial light banding.

It has the advantage of a quiet electronic shutter without the rolling shutter. Other than putting a new very expensive fast readout sensor with power / battery concerns, this solution works.

Though I will admit this is biased to my use which is street night life.
 
I always wondered if I was better off with the G100 as opposed to the Pen F........ any opinions will do

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I always wondered if I was better off with the G100 as opposed to the Pen F........ any opinions will do
G100 only has 1/50 sync speed, which can be a bit of a pain. A variable ND filter sorts that though. I find it also has excellent autofocus, a tiny bit slower in AF-C mode than say my G9, but still very good. I also like the jpeg output of the G100, every bit as good as the G9, & I really can't see any difference in higher ISO noise performance with it either. And I have looked/compared. Out of curiosity mainly. No, not going to get into a long winded & boring test thread, as I totally abhor them, and all the experts pipe up & tell you you're doing it wrong anyway. I bought my first one as a dedicated Ultrawide point & shooter for my PL 9mm & Laowa 10mm, liked it so much I bought another & took it travelling with me, along with the ultrawide combo. With a Lumix 12-35 f2.8II Which then gives you a little bit of speed, as well as image stabilisation. Great little combo. If you're really short for room, just leave one body behind & swap lenses like normal people, if not, take both. Another brilliant combo is with the Lumix 20mm pancake, & even the Sigma 30mm f1.4 Great fun. These were processed from raw in camera I think, transferred to my phone with the press of a dedicated button on the camera, then uploaded to a website. I didn't even take a tablet, or laptop with me. Just camera, & phone

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thanks for the heads up about your experiences, this sort of stuff is valuable. iI might just get one just as a backup buddy for Pen F. It would probably be fun to use with my 15m lens and I could use the app to ring again

I don't use all the bells and whistles.I set aperture check the speed tap, the screen shoot, sometimes I change the plus in minus depending on how the image looks on the screen Call be lazy but I do get the results I need

I do like the articulated screen and a vf so it does tick the boxes, and I don't use a flash

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thanks for the heads up about your experiences, this sort of stuff is valuable. iI might just get one just as a backup buddy for Pen F. It would probably be fun to use with my 15m lens and I could use the app to ring again

I don't use all the bells and whistles.I set aperture check the speed tap, the screen shoot, sometimes I change the plus in minus depending on how the image looks on the screen Call be lazy but I do get the results I need

I do like the articulated screen and a vf so it does tick the boxes, and I don't use a flash
It's fantastic fun when used with little, fast primes. I set mine to Aperture mode, auto ISO, set a reasonable minimum shutter speed and away you go. Set one of the control dials to exposure comp, & you have a brilliant little, light weight yet comfortable, high quality fixed lens point & shoot. That you can still change lenses with if you desire. Highly highly recommended.
 
True, but they still have to replace the USB connector with USB-C by December 2024 if they want to keep selling it in the EU.
No, they do not. This is blatant nonsense. All existing products and anything released before the end of 2024 can continue as they are. Only products released after the end of 2024 must have USB-C.
Are you sure about that? My reading of the law is that if it's currently in inventory it will be grand fathered, but any products manufactured after 2024 must include USB-C and that includes existing SKUs. So if Panasonic has a bunch of G100s sitting in the warehouse in Eschborn, that's fine, they can sell them as is. If they want to do a new production run of them and sell them in the EU, they need to make sure it has USB-C.
 
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An RX100Va, if you can get over the fiddliness of it and are fine with the focal range, delivers as good or better image quality as most m4/3 body and zoom combinations. For some reason, people in this forum consider the m4/3 sensor size "good enough" but dismiss 1" sensors outright.
Most? Maybe the odd cheap consumer zoom. Pop a nice, preferably fast prime lens on the G100 and it really sings. Plus it uses all your existing m4/3 lenses, raw processing is the same, all nice little sweetners
I don't like the RX100 bodies, but you would be lying to yourself if you think the 24-70 f/1.8-2.8 lens on it doesn't hang with some of our premium zooms.

Sony RX100 V Review - Optics (imaging-resource.com)

As one would expect, some softness in the corners and barrel distortion wide open in uncorrected raws, but certainly no worse than the PL 12-60 f/2.8-4 or Olympus 12-45 f/4 Pro.
 
thanks for the heads up about your experiences, this sort of stuff is valuable. iI might just get one just as a backup buddy for Pen F. It would probably be fun to use with my 15m lens and I could use the app to ring again

I don't use all the bells and whistles.I set aperture check the speed tap, the screen shoot, sometimes I change the plus in minus depending on how the image looks on the screen Call be lazy but I do get the results I need

I do like the articulated screen and a vf so it does tick the boxes, and I don't use a flash
It's fantastic fun when used with little, fast primes. I set mine to Aperture mode, auto ISO, set a reasonable minimum shutter speed and away you go. Set one of the control dials to exposure comp, & you have a brilliant little, light weight yet comfortable, high quality fixed lens point & shoot. That you can still change lenses with if you desire. Highly highly recommended.
Thanks sound like what do looks like I will have to change my name from zurag to lazy

One from a friend of a friend

I pulled the trigger on one last night, but I got a vloggers version, he said it sat his table, and he spent more time looking at it and using it. So he picked it up, it still had a desk tripod attached, handed it to me along with a pristine box and I gave him AU $450. He said thanks and told me to keep the lens.

I will get back to you when I have a chance to use it which will probably be next week as I have too much work on at the moment. The usual Christmas rush I need it done yesterday and and so does my friend next door and his neighbour,>..............

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I always wondered if I was better off with the G100 as opposed to the Pen F........ any opinions will do
That seems like a straightforward answer but it's actually a bit complicated depending on what you want.

Overall the PenF is better built, has IBIS (if you care about IBIS), and a nice EVF with a fast refresh rate (120Hz if I remember correctly, at least as a mode/setting).

The PenF is a bit bigger, and has amazing B&W jpegs and JPEG color If you want that, plus in my opinion even from raw development has one of the better outputs I have seen in. m43rds.

That said, the G100 I suspect shares the same sensor (from GX8/GX9), and the G100 autofocus, particularly if you are going to use a prime like the Lumix 15mm F1.7 will trounce the PenF's.

If you are shooting in good light all long I would say the PenF. But if you are going to be shooting in lower light conditions where you need to freeze movement (i.e. IBIS Won't matter much plus you get some OIS in Panasonic lenses I you have Lumix lenses), the G100 will probably be better as the AF is faster and better, with better options.

Oh you you do flash sync photography, the PenF wins hands down.
 
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Thanks

Yea I will glue the 15mm on to the G100 and use the Pen F with my 45mm f1.8. If needed both units are easy enough to take in a 3litre peak designs sling.

I am not concerned about ibis but a photo of the "bin chicken" won't go astray When I need closeups of stone work etc I now use the iPhone 15 pro , the deep DOF is a life saver and they are only supplementary photos to the ones taken with the film medium format

Between yourself and Markusweld you have made a great summary thanks to both of you

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thanks for the heads up about your experiences, this sort of stuff is valuable. iI might just get one just as a backup buddy for Pen F. It would probably be fun to use with my 15m lens and I could use the app to ring again

I don't use all the bells and whistles.I set aperture check the speed tap, the screen shoot, sometimes I change the plus in minus depending on how the image looks on the screen Call be lazy but I do get the results I need

I do like the articulated screen and a vf so it does tick the boxes, and I don't use a flash
Unfortunately they did not fit the four dot flash connection that would have allowed the tiny fill-flash unit made for the GM5 to be powered from the camera body.

Presumably that useful tiny flash unit is not longer made.
 
thanks for the heads up about your experiences, this sort of stuff is valuable. iI might just get one just as a backup buddy for Pen F. It would probably be fun to use with my 15m lens and I could use the app to ring again

I don't use all the bells and whistles.I set aperture check the speed tap, the screen shoot, sometimes I change the plus in minus depending on how the image looks on the screen Call be lazy but I do get the results I need

I do like the articulated screen and a vf so it does tick the boxes, and I don't use a flash
It's fantastic fun when used with little, fast primes. I set mine to Aperture mode, auto ISO, set a reasonable minimum shutter speed and away you go. Set one of the control dials to exposure comp, & you have a brilliant little, light weight yet comfortable, high quality fixed lens point & shoot. That you can still change lenses with if you desire. Highly highly recommended.
Yes this addictive fun-factor is what drew me in. Whilst we can agonise over specifications - actual in-use enjoyment is both hard to specify and revue properly.

Nothing wrong with your image results.
 
Unfortunately they did not fit the four dot flash connection that would have allowed the tiny fill-flash unit made for the GM5 to be powered from the camera body.

Presumably that useful tiny flash unit is not longer made.
Never used a flash no problems for me.

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thanks for the heads up about your experiences, this sort of stuff is valuable. iI might just get one just as a backup buddy for Pen F. It would probably be fun to use with my 15m lens and I could use the app to ring again

I don't use all the bells and whistles.I set aperture check the speed tap, the screen shoot, sometimes I change the plus in minus depending on how the image looks on the screen Call be lazy but I do get the results I need

I do like the articulated screen and a vf so it does tick the boxes, and I don't use a flash
It's fantastic fun when used with little, fast primes. I set mine to Aperture mode, auto ISO, set a reasonable minimum shutter speed and away you go. Set one of the control dials to exposure comp, & you have a brilliant little, light weight yet comfortable, high quality fixed lens point & shoot. That you can still change lenses with if you desire. Highly highly recommended.
Thanks sound like what do looks like I will have to change my name from zurag to lazy

One from a friend of a friend

I pulled the trigger on one last night, but I got a vloggers version, he said it sat his table, and he spent more time looking at it and using it. So he picked it up, it still had a desk tripod attached, handed it to me along with a pristine box and I gave him AU $450. He said thanks and told me to keep the lens.

I will get back to you when I have a chance to use it which will probably be next week as I have too much work on at the moment. The usual Christmas rush I need it done yesterday and and so does my friend next door and his neighbour,>..............
 
Unfortunately they did not fit the four dot flash connection that would have allowed the tiny fill-flash unit made for the GM5 to be powered from the camera body.

Presumably that useful tiny flash unit is not longer made.
Never used a flash no problems for me.
It is only a blink flash rather like the built in one in the GM1 that was replaced by the evf in the GM5. Did roughly the same job. That little flash does the rounds a bit on eBay.

Not a lot of people missing the flash but it can come in handy for lifting the light on faces.

With all the heritage of the GM5 in the G100 it is surprising that the use of that little flash is proscribed.

Surprisingly perhaps the relatively huge S1 in L-Mount can use this flash but not the G9 either.

One of life's little useless mysteries.
 
Unfortunately they did not fit the four dot flash connection that would have allowed the tiny fill-flash unit made for the GM5 to be powered from the camera body.

Presumably that useful tiny flash unit is not longer made.
Never used a flash no problems for me.
It is only a blink flash rather like the built in one in the GM1 that was replaced by the evf in the GM5. Did roughly the same job. That little flash does the rounds a bit on eBay.

Not a lot of people missing the flash but it can come in handy for lifting the light on faces.

With all the heritage of the GM5 in the G100 it is surprising that the use of that little flash is proscribed.

Surprisingly perhaps the relatively huge S1 in L-Mount can use this flash but not the G9 either.

One of life's little useless mysteries.
Here's a fun fact. My Lumix FL360L micro four thirds flash that I bought years ago, can be adjusted in the settings to show 135 format zoom focal lengths. Which align perfectly with my S5. No firmware update required. Exactly how long term are Panasonic thinking in regards to their planning in the camera business? It does make one wonder

Edit -here's the good bit. I almost forgot. That bit of the menu is not accessible/visible with the flash off the camera, or on an m4/3 body. Pop it on a full frame body, bingo. There it is. Like I wrote, no firmware update required
 
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Here's a fun fact. My Lumix FL360L micro four thirds flash that I bought years ago, can be adjusted in the settings to show 135 format zoom focal lengths. Which align perfectly with my S5. No firmware update required. Exactly how long term are Panasonic thinking in regards to their planning in the camera business? It does make one wonder
Given that Panasonic makes some of the camera bodies for Leica, I am not surprised it works, or that it switches up automatically to the correct focal length when attached. Must use the same communication protocol...
Edit -here's the good bit. I almost forgot. That bit of the menu is not accessible/visible with the flash off the camera, or on an m4/3 body. Pop it on a full frame body, bingo. There it is. Like I wrote, no firmware update required
 
As that flash is made by Sigma, not Panasonic, it's more likely that 135 mode is standard with µ43 grafted on. A good check on this would be to put an Olympus FL-600R on an S-series camera to see if that also has 135 mode. I believe the two flashes are only different cosmetically.
 
As that flash is made by Sigma, not Panasonic, it's more likely that 135 mode is standard with µ43 grafted on. A good check on this would be to put an Olympus FL-600R on an S-series camera to see if that also has 135 mode. I believe the two flashes are only different cosmetically.
What makes you think the FL360L is made by Sigma?
 

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