New Panasonic G100D is announced

On one end I understand your point. On the other if that means m43 is pushed in a direction where it makes it more difficult to separate from

Competitors- because one key difference is precisely the size - as the competition. With bigger sensors has shrunk I think it puts the system in a. Dangerous place

Unless the market for outdoor/nature/adventure with long telephoto and hybrid cam is that big

basically from my view the system loses the reason to be

I still think something like a pro species em5.2 (not the em5.3) body could be marketed and command a higher price
 
The EVf crushes blacks. Is pincushioned and worse of all has what seems to be a plastic lens in its place that unless you look directly at it dead center it distorts and blurs.
I've seen this mentioned before.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64858486

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65284471

Maybe the purpose of the new EVF is to address this issue.
That would make sense right? :-). Yes, I sincerely hope that this is the case. Being from the S5 sure sounds promising, I just hope that the lens they put in front of it is decent so it doesn't have the blur/distortion on the current G100.
Unfortunately it's not the first Panasonic camera to have an issue with the EVF.

People look to forums to get genuine feedback on products, so there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else pointing out potential cons as well as pros, regardless of who is offended. Facts don't care about our feelings.
has color accuracy discrepancy with the LCd and what you are seeing also

I ironically the sequential color rainbow decomposition wasn’t that notable and that part to me was acceptable

Anyhow - I do think it’s quite horrible and it’s a key reason why I sent it back

yes the Linux G100. No- am not “conifusing it with something else. Get w reference point with another camera with a decent evf.

So looks like Panasonic has addressed this which is great. I need to see if the lens of it avoids this distortion but using the same OLED evf of the S5 sure sounds promising.
 
I had my hopes up for a small body with great autofocus but alas. At this point an upgraded G95 with PDAF is all I’m hoping for. A G200 or Gx100 would do. Anything but a big body, Panasonic, if you could be so kind.
It does have great auto focus - just like Panasonic's cdaf S-AF has always been excellent.

It is C-AF that has had the wobble that many seem to go insane from under its effect. As I can manage without C-AF and I don't do video I am not in a position to barrack for or against pdaf.

In any case we can now get pdaf if we shell out for a G9II - the Panasonic system has listened and there is premium price pdaf to be had.

For all the ranting about the G100 as small and potentially pdaf-able I am not sure that the wooly customer base of Panasonic camera bodies is quite ready to pay G9II prices for a G100-size camera body - even with pdaf, IBIS and the 25mp sensor.

The camera industry follows trends and the trends say that premium prices equate to a certain size body equipped with the works. And that means OM-1 or G9/G9II size. Or maybe a S5II/x?
How about G100 size and weight with IBIS and PDAF at less than OM1 prices?

A
Might work, but I am not into multiple bodies of the same thing at OM-1 prices - the G100 was being sold a month or so ago in Oz brand new for AUD$500 and as new second hand kits with grip could be had for about AUD$400 with patience.

This is roughly US$250-320 and beats the price of both OM-1 and G9 as well as being more compact if you own more than one.

Lots of them for sale brand new in the US for equivalent prices but of course freight rates are stupid and we pay 10% GST on both purchase price and freight which brings them up to more than recommended retail prices here for the kit.

Frankly the G100 is a very much grab it as the first camera to hand going out the door - fun to use and quite effective in its images.

The G9II, if you can find one, is AUD$3600+ (best) in Oz - so you can get a lot of G100's for the same price and just as much fun from each.

I think we can get far too hung up on the issues of what a camera body does not have and forget about its cost and the fact that it takes great photographs and is also very addictive to use.

I bought up my collection of GM bodies , firstly the GM1 and then the GM5 when they were being sold at very reasonable prices because they were being dismissed as pocket cameras and the market completely missed the fact that they were really very capable systems cameras made small and only left out the 'frills' to make them that size. Imaging capability was not really seriously compromised between the other M4/3 cameras of their day.

I guessed, for once guessed correctly, Panasonic gave up on the idea and the little wonders have become classics. I see the G100 as a similar cheap thrills camera that the market has thumbs down because it does not have the fashionable IBIS.

More surprised that they even consider a G100D but they might be struggling to market an entry level cheap camera in the M4/3 mount. Not everyone is up for the price of a G9II. "Just one" of course.
 
I had my hopes up for a small body with great autofocus but alas. At this point an upgraded G95 with PDAF is all I’m hoping for. A G200 or Gx100 would do. Anything but a big body, Panasonic, if you could be so kind.
It does have great auto focus - just like Panasonic's cdaf S-AF has always been excellent.

It is C-AF that has had the wobble that many seem to go insane from under its effect. As I can manage without C-AF and I don't do video I am not in a position to barrack for or against pdaf.

In any case we can now get pdaf if we shell out for a G9II - the Panasonic system has listened and there is premium price pdaf to be had.

For all the ranting about the G100 as small and potentially pdaf-able I am not sure that the wooly customer base of Panasonic camera bodies is quite ready to pay G9II prices for a G100-size camera body - even with pdaf, IBIS and the 25mp sensor.

The camera industry follows trends and the trends say that premium prices equate to a certain size body equipped with the works. And that means OM-1 or G9/G9II size. Or maybe a S5II/x?
How about G100 size and weight with IBIS and PDAF at less than OM1 prices?

A
Might work, but I am not into multiple bodies of the same thing at OM-1 prices - the G100 was being sold a month or so ago in Oz brand new for AUD$500 and as new second hand kits with grip could be had for about AUD$400 with patience.

This is roughly US$250-320 and beats the price of both OM-1 and G9 as well as being more compact if you own more than one.

Lots of them for sale brand new in the US for equivalent prices but of course freight rates are stupid and we pay 10% GST on both purchase price and freight which brings them up to more than recommended retail prices here for the kit.

Frankly the G100 is a very much grab it as the first camera to hand going out the door - fun to use and quite effective in its images.

The G9II, if you can find one, is AUD$3600+ (best) in Oz - so you can get a lot of G100's for the same price and just as much fun from each.

I think we can get far too hung up on the issues of what a camera body does not have and forget about its cost and the fact that it takes great photographs and is also very addictive to use.

I bought up my collection of GM bodies , firstly the GM1 and then the GM5 when they were being sold at very reasonable prices because they were being dismissed as pocket cameras and the market completely missed the fact that they were really very capable systems cameras made small and only left out the 'frills' to make them that size. Imaging capability was not really seriously compromised between the other M4/3 cameras of their day.

I guessed, for once guessed correctly, Panasonic gave up on the idea and the little wonders have become classics. I see the G100 as a similar cheap thrills camera that the market has thumbs down because it does not have the fashionable IBIS.

More surprised that they even consider a G100D but they might be struggling to market an entry level cheap camera in the M4/3 mount. Not everyone is up for the price of a G9II. "Just one" of course.
Well you should get what suits. I just got an OM5 with 12-45mm for £950.

I can see a used G100 being the system bargain, although a used EM1.1 does have IS and PDAF, at least mine does. It will be fascinating to compare the OM5 with EM1.1.

Andrew
 
On one end I understand your point. On the other if that means m43 is pushed in a direction where it makes it more difficult to separate from

Competitors- because one key difference is precisely the size - as the competition. With bigger sensors has shrunk I think it puts the system in a. Dangerous place

Unless the market for outdoor/nature/adventure with long telephoto and hybrid cam is that big

basically from my view the system loses the reason to be

I still think something like a pro species em5.2 (not the em5.3) body could be marketed and command a higher price
I really do get where you're coming from Ricardo.

This gradual change has pushed me to full frame. I went for the S5 (and now have the S5 Mark II) because I wanted better performance and the S5 wasn't much bigger than my G95. I've kept my GX85 for when I need something small (which is rare).

But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
 
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
yikes
 
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Ha ha ha ha. Blur and distortion. You really need to get your eyes checked. Seriously.
I don't love the G100, but from the brief time I spent with it, I thought the EVF was one of its most redeeming qualities...
To be fair, people have different eyes. Plenty of people for example have no problem with the GX85 viewfinder, but for some people they can't get it in focus no matter how they adjust the diopter.

That said, there were much less complaints about the G100 EVF, most reviews in fact praised it.
 
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People look to forums to get genuine feedback on products, so there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else pointing out potential cons as well as pros, regardless of who is offended. Facts don't care about our feelings.
No they don't. A few geeks wig out over test charts & lab test numbers on forums, the vast majority of people just don't care, their attention is pretty much taken by the next new iPhone, Google Pixel or Samsung smartphone. If they want a new dedicated camera, they'll ask a friend, or friend of a friend that lugs around a big black camera. Witness the decline & failure of multiple photography forums in the last 12 months or so for proof.
 
I had my hopes up for a small body with great autofocus but alas. At this point an upgraded G95 with PDAF is all I’m hoping for. A G200 or Gx100 would do. Anything but a big body, Panasonic, if you could be so kind.
For all the ranting about the G100 as small and potentially pdaf-able I am not sure that the wooly customer base of Panasonic camera bodies is quite ready to pay G9II prices for a G100-size camera body - even with pdaf, IBIS and the 25mp sensor.
To be honest I'm not sure why we'd have to. Price aside, almost every brand has a flagship camera (like the G9 II) then midrange bodies with excellent autofocus. I would expect Panasonic to put PDAF into all of their bodies going forward no matter how big or small they are.

The question is, will we see any more bodies that are not G9-style or GH cameras? The G9 II is kind of a hard sell for me still just due to the size. I don't have a problem with the price.

G.
 
People look to forums to get genuine feedback on products, so there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else pointing out potential cons as well as pros, regardless of who is offended. Facts don't care about our feelings.
No they don't.
Yes, people do.

A few geeks wig out over test charts & lab test numbers on forums, the vast majority of people just don't care, their attention is pretty much taken by the next new iPhone, Google Pixel or Samsung smartphone. If they want a new dedicated camera, they'll ask a friend, or friend of a friend that lugs around a big black camera. Witness the decline & failure of multiple photography forums in the last 12 months or so for proof.
 
I had my hopes up for a small body with great autofocus but alas. At this point an upgraded G95 with PDAF is all I’m hoping for. A G200 or Gx100 would do. Anything but a big body, Panasonic, if you could be so kind.
It does have great auto focus - just like Panasonic's cdaf S-AF has always been excellent.

It is C-AF that has had the wobble that many seem to go insane from under its effect. As I can manage without C-AF and I don't do video I am not in a position to barrack for or against pdaf.

In any case we can now get pdaf if we shell out for a G9II - the Panasonic system has listened and there is premium price pdaf to be had.

For all the ranting about the G100 as small and potentially pdaf-able I am not sure that the wooly customer base of Panasonic camera bodies is quite ready to pay G9II prices for a G100-size camera body - even with pdaf, IBIS and the 25mp sensor.

The camera industry follows trends and the trends say that premium prices equate to a certain size body equipped with the works. And that means OM-1 or G9/G9II size. Or maybe a S5II/x?
Tom, it's nearly 2024. PDAF is quite frankly table stakes at this point. Even the most lowly Sony, Nikon and Canon bodies have good to excellent C-AF performance at this point.
 
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
yikes
Yes, I have gone on record stating that I would pay up to € 2k for a feature-rich, compact body. This isn't just idle talk. I had the a7C (twice), but I just couldn't get along with the way Sony does things. I put my money where my mouth is and backed Pixii with a 64-bit 128 GB model. There are people who are willing to pay for small and premium.
 
People look to forums to get genuine feedback on products, so there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else pointing out potential cons as well as pros, regardless of who is offended. Facts don't care about our feelings.
No they don't.
Yes, people do.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67369717
A few geeks wig out over test charts & lab test numbers on forums, the vast majority of people just don't care, their attention is pretty much taken by the next new iPhone, Google Pixel or Samsung smartphone. If they want a new dedicated camera, they'll ask a friend, or friend of a friend that lugs around a big black camera. Witness the decline & failure of multiple photography forums in the last 12 months or so for proof.
You found a single post. Outstanding. You've completely changed my mind then. Ha ha ha ha
 
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
yikes
Yes, I have gone on record stating that I would pay up to € 2k for a feature-rich, compact body. This isn't just idle talk. I had the a7C (twice), but I just couldn't get along with the way Sony does things. I put my money where my mouth is and backed Pixii with a 64-bit 128 GB model. There are people who are willing to pay for small and premium.
Yeah, just not enough of them to be profitable, especially when fighting with Sony over the remaining scraps
 
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
yikes
Yes, I have gone on record stating that I would pay up to € 2k for a feature-rich, compact body. This isn't just idle talk. I had the a7C (twice), but I just couldn't get along with the way Sony does things. I put my money where my mouth is and backed Pixii with a 64-bit 128 GB model. There are people who are willing to pay for small and premium.
Yeah, just not enough of them to be profitable, especially when fighting with Sony over the remaining scraps
Then sadly for Panasonic and Olympus, they will likely continue to haemorrhage customers. People aren't stupid. What you are frequently seeing is people look at the relative merits of the m4/3 cameras and conclude if they are going to carry that mass, they would rather have a larger shooting envelope (and possibly better AF).
 
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
yikes
Yes, I have gone on record stating that I would pay up to € 2k for a feature-rich, compact body. This isn't just idle talk. I had the a7C (twice), but I just couldn't get along with the way Sony does things. I put my money where my mouth is and backed Pixii with a 64-bit 128 GB model. There are people who are willing to pay for small and premium.
Yeah, just not enough of them to be profitable, especially when fighting with Sony over the remaining scraps
Then sadly for Panasonic and Olympus, they will likely continue to haemorrhage customers. People aren't stupid. What you are frequently seeing is people look at the relative merits of the m4/3 cameras and conclude if they are going to carry that mass, they would rather have a larger shooting envelope (and possibly better AF).
Yeah, Olympus already threw in the towel and walked away. Panasonic has jumped into full frame, and is aggressively pricing it's very well specced entry level cameras. I don't see m4/3 going anywhere, it will continue with their higher specced GH hybrid cameras, camera bodies like the G9, perhaps a basic GX series, and bodies like the G100. Or combine them both. I think the days of high specced small stills oriented bodies are long gone. The GX8 was the last of them I think.
 
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I had my hopes up for a small body with great autofocus but alas. At this point an upgraded G95 with PDAF is all I’m hoping for. A G200 or Gx100 would do. Anything but a big body, Panasonic, if you could be so kind.
It does have great auto focus - just like Panasonic's cdaf S-AF has always been excellent.

It is C-AF that has had the wobble that many seem to go insane from under its effect. As I can manage without C-AF and I don't do video I am not in a position to barrack for or against pdaf.

In any case we can now get pdaf if we shell out for a G9II - the Panasonic system has listened and there is premium price pdaf to be had.

For all the ranting about the G100 as small and potentially pdaf-able I am not sure that the wooly customer base of Panasonic camera bodies is quite ready to pay G9II prices for a G100-size camera body - even with pdaf, IBIS and the 25mp sensor.

The camera industry follows trends and the trends say that premium prices equate to a certain size body equipped with the works. And that means OM-1 or G9/G9II size. Or maybe a S5II/x?
How about G100 size and weight with IBIS and PDAF at less than OM1 prices?

A
Might work, but I am not into multiple bodies of the same thing at OM-1 prices - the G100 was being sold a month or so ago in Oz brand new for AUD$500 and as new second hand kits with grip could be had for about AUD$400 with patience.

This is roughly US$250-320 and beats the price of both OM-1 and G9 as well as being more compact if you own more than one.

Lots of them for sale brand new in the US for equivalent prices but of course freight rates are stupid and we pay 10% GST on both purchase price and freight which brings them up to more than recommended retail prices here for the kit.

Frankly the G100 is a very much grab it as the first camera to hand going out the door - fun to use and quite effective in its images.

The G9II, if you can find one, is AUD$3600+ (best) in Oz - so you can get a lot of G100's for the same price and just as much fun from each.

I think we can get far too hung up on the issues of what a camera body does not have and forget about its cost and the fact that it takes great photographs and is also very addictive to use.

I bought up my collection of GM bodies , firstly the GM1 and then the GM5 when they were being sold at very reasonable prices because they were being dismissed as pocket cameras and the market completely missed the fact that they were really very capable systems cameras made small and only left out the 'frills' to make them that size. Imaging capability was not really seriously compromised between the other M4/3 cameras of their day.

I guessed, for once guessed correctly, Panasonic gave up on the idea and the little wonders have become classics. I see the G100 as a similar cheap thrills camera that the market has thumbs down because it does not have the fashionable IBIS.

More surprised that they even consider a G100D but they might be struggling to market an entry level cheap camera in the M4/3 mount. Not everyone is up for the price of a G9II. "Just one" of course.
Well you should get what suits. I just got an OM5 with 12-45mm for £950.
Yikes - that is AUD$1900, but your VAT is higher than our (10%) GST
I can see a used G100 being the system bargain, although a used EM1.1 does have IS and PDAF, at least mine does. It will be fascinating to compare the OM5 with EM1.1.
Olympus seemed to scale capability to price I once thought I might look at an E-M10 - a later model - as I though it might just be a more compact E-M1 whatever it was at the time without some of the fancy features. But it had the same negativity of being pushed as entry-level as the G100 was billed as great for V-Log. I suppose the E-M10 would be a great camera if owned but I did not see myself as an entry level user any more than I saw myself as a V-Logger. It was only the keen price that tipped my curiosity to buy switch (much later) for the G100. Turned out much better than I had expected.

I never saw the GM series as entry level. There was nothing twee or beginner-oriented in their interface other than iAuto and all Panasonic cameras have that. Surely it did not have many of what I call user conveniences (articulated lcd etc) but it was a grown up camera for experienced owners and effectively had near enough the same image capture clout as the then GX7.
 
People look to forums to get genuine feedback on products, so there's nothing wrong with you or anyone else pointing out potential cons as well as pros, regardless of who is offended. Facts don't care about our feelings.
No they don't.
Yes, people do.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67369717
A few geeks wig out over test charts & lab test numbers on forums, the vast majority of people just don't care, their attention is pretty much taken by the next new iPhone, Google Pixel or Samsung smartphone. If they want a new dedicated camera, they'll ask a friend, or friend of a friend that lugs around a big black camera. Witness the decline & failure of multiple photography forums in the last 12 months or so for proof.
You found a single post.
It's a thread and one of many.
Outstanding. You've completely changed my mind then. Ha ha ha ha
Evidence can do that.
 
But I don't see Pany or Oly putting much effort into making feature-rich small cameras in the future. The market is now too small due to smartphones for a start, and those who will buy a small MFT camera want it packed with features which makes if difficult to produce at a reasonable price.
Yea pretty much as agree with all that except I personally would pay up for a feature rich small camera but wouldn't pay up for a feature rich big camera . But then I am a rarer bird, even the birders here haven't able to catch a photograph of me with their famous OM1 and 150-400mm lens
yikes
Yes, I have gone on record stating that I would pay up to € 2k for a feature-rich, compact body. This isn't just idle talk. I had the a7C (twice), but I just couldn't get along with the way Sony does things. I put my money where my mouth is and backed Pixii with a 64-bit 128 GB model. There are people who are willing to pay for small and premium.
Yeah, just not enough of them to be profitable, especially when fighting with Sony over the remaining scraps
Then sadly for Panasonic and Olympus, they will likely continue to haemorrhage customers. People aren't stupid. What you are frequently seeing is people look at the relative merits of the m4/3 cameras and conclude if they are going to carry that mass, they would rather have a larger shooting envelope (and possibly better AF).
Yeah, Olympus already threw in the towel and walked away. Panasonic has jumped into full frame, and is aggressively pricing it's very well specced entry level cameras. I don't see m4/3 going anywhere, it will continue with their higher specced GH hybrid cameras, camera bodies like the G9, perhaps a basic GX series, and bodies like the G100. Or combine them both. I think the days of high specced small stills oriented bodies are long gone. The GX8 was the last of them I think.
Perhaps surprisingly I see a real opening for a GX8 reprise updated to 25mp IBIS and PDAF marketed with a twinned FF sensor RF-Style body in L-Mount. Something like the G9II/S5II/x combo.

The GX8 was never in my sights because it had a side hinged LCD but the idea would meld into the new era of Panasonic body styles (perhaps). Replace the GX9 with a rip roaring somewhat larger GX8II with the works?

... what about a FF sensor in a G100 body in L-Mount? Woo-hoo ... that might set the market of fire - pity that it might be quite impossible .... :). Must go and have a lie down ...
 

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