searun
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Point taken about 5 fps, but 15-20 fps in SH would be nice.
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Any chance of an OM-1 firmware update dropping ?
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AndrewHolloway
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I'd be really happy if they added some blend modes and the ability to specify the number of exposures in a multiple exposure, rather than just two. I'd really much rather do as much as possible in camera.
Jamajuel
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sure, all bodies have some unique pros and cons
I just have both bodies on my desk. Honesty, difference in weight and size is entirely negligible between the two
The OM-1 is still more expensive in list price. Comparing release list price to Black Friday offers hardly is a fair price comparison.
Both are great. Question I ask myself: which one will have improved considerably in 2y from now. Track record and current momentum gives me a lot more confidence that Panasonic will keep improving with FW regularly. And their first PDAF m43 is overall en par out of the gate.
Not a killer argument, but definitely something worth considering. Likewise, if the Om-1 fits your needs as is then it’s great and no need to be defensive.
I think it might be more like steadying sales so the camera is competitive a little longer, rather than pushing sales higher than they were.
Regor250
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Agree, that would be nice.
My OM-1 doesn't do this (or I can't figure it out).
Do you have a link to this YouTube? I searched in vain.
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Reminder: JIP isn't just about investment money but about a way to go around Japanese employment law and to keep people employed even if the companies they own don't "stand out." Vaio today really doesn't stand out per se, but they make enough to keep going.
This is one of the reasons JIP took on the Olympus Imaging division, as there's certain things Olympus couldn't quite do themselves. If this was a USA company things would have been different.
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At this stage of its life I would think that price is the bigger determining factor for buyers, not which FW version it has.
Existing MFT owners in my opinion are likely to be in one of three groups:
1. already bought the OM-1
2. holding off waiting for a lower price
3. not going to buy it
I can’t see that a significant FW update will have much impact on any those groups other than to make group #1 happy and to keep the price high making group #2 not so happy.
Rather than a FW update, group #2 may be looking for an early announcement of the OM-1 Mark II which will signal likely price drops of the OM-1
Outsiders looking at MFT as a possible system to buy into won’t in my opinion be swayed either way by a FW update to the OM-1. They will be looking at the overall feature/performance/price equation and of course the suite of lenses available. And they will also be concerned (rightly or wrongly) about the small 4/3 sensor and the 20Mp.
So I still think there’s more chance of an OM-1 Mk II announcement next year than a major FW update for the OM-1
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The next version of the OM-1 will need to have 2 features otherwise OM-1 owners will not upgrade. That new camera needs to have sensor with 1) 25 MP & 2) Global shutter.
drj3
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It will very likely have the current sensor with upgraded performance and may possibly add no blackouts with Live View. I think there is a small possibility the OM Systems will produce a camera (E-M10 like) with a higher number of pixels (probably more the 25MP needed for the Chinese market), but it would not be a sports/wildlife camera.
The OM1 replacement will not have a Global Shutter. The Sony A9.3 will very likely be the only global shutter camera for the next few years. The obviously higher noise/lower dynamic range of the A9.3 will almost certainly limit its availability to full frame sensors which can afford to have dynamic ranges like mFTs cameras as a compromise for improvement for a limited audience. How many other FF cameras have a base ISO 250 and a maximum ISO of 25600?
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I would love to see these improvements, especially improved AF/subject detection to catch up with Nikon/Canon/Sony.
EZGritz
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It does for me if I set on subject recognition/cats and CAF. I think I set tracking with it. It tracked anyway, either way. I was focused on an entire bodyWaling, paddling paddle boards, swimming. I did it recently with the 40-150 f2.8 and the 300 f/4. It tracked runbout boats too. It grabbed on to lettering on the side. Same thing with race cars but there t found faces inside open-face helmets and tacked better and more accurately than the Canon F5 and 70-200 f/2.8L I used at the same event in a wide range of lighting from very low to very bright.
It isn't perfect the time but it's good enough for all the stills with all the focus accuracy I need.
There are videos, and posts here on DRP. I didn't bookmark them and will not spend the evening locating them again. You can do it if you want to satisfy yourself or no. I did. Believe me or not. Up to you. Find the videos or not. Up to you. I'm not the only one for whom his camera works and I don't have the only serial number body that does.
Try Thomas Eisel on Utube and look through months of posts on DPR in the subject lines. You will find it if you do. In my experience, he is right. I learned a lot about the camera from s vides and articles.
Watch some of the videos and read the subject matter articles. The problem isn't the camera. Is the OMS tech writing that does a poor job of explaining how the AF system works and how to make it work for what you want it to do. And it's the whiners and haters who hate to admit OLY made a great camera and will go to the grave complaining about the camera and the company no matter what the company offers and predict its demise perpetually rather than admit they were wrong for more than a decade. Someday they may be right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 2 hours out of 24 isn't very good. I'll take the other 22. I have as long as they have been complaining.
No system/camera is perfect though there are people who won't be satisfied with anything. They all have issues. It isn't a matter of finding the perfect camera. It's a matter of learning to make one of them work for you - the mechanic, not the tool.
When the camera doesn't need me for something that will take a challenge out of it. No glory in that, no sense of accomplishment. I'll stop taking photos.
OM System OM-1 — Technique — thomas eisl avantgarde.photography
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https://www.amazon.com/Pelican-Squadron-Tale-Internet-Bubble-ebook/dp/B08FCY6V7Y
"A great photo can have mediocre IQ, but a mediocre photo cannot be saved by great IQ"
It isn't perfect the time but it's good enough for all the stills with all the focus accuracy I need.
There are videos, and posts here on DRP. I didn't bookmark them and will not spend the evening locating them again. You can do it if you want to satisfy yourself or no. I did. Believe me or not. Up to you. Find the videos or not. Up to you. I'm not the only one for whom his camera works and I don't have the only serial number body that does.
Try Thomas Eisel on Utube and look through months of posts on DPR in the subject lines. You will find it if you do. In my experience, he is right. I learned a lot about the camera from s vides and articles.
Watch some of the videos and read the subject matter articles. The problem isn't the camera. Is the OMS tech writing that does a poor job of explaining how the AF system works and how to make it work for what you want it to do. And it's the whiners and haters who hate to admit OLY made a great camera and will go to the grave complaining about the camera and the company no matter what the company offers and predict its demise perpetually rather than admit they were wrong for more than a decade. Someday they may be right. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. 2 hours out of 24 isn't very good. I'll take the other 22. I have as long as they have been complaining.
No system/camera is perfect though there are people who won't be satisfied with anything. They all have issues. It isn't a matter of finding the perfect camera. It's a matter of learning to make one of them work for you - the mechanic, not the tool.
When the camera doesn't need me for something that will take a challenge out of it. No glory in that, no sense of accomplishment. I'll stop taking photos.
OM System OM-1 — Technique — thomas eisl avantgarde.photography
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Author of "The Pelican Squadron" - Harvey Gene Sherman
https://www.amazon.com/Pelican-Squadron-Tale-Internet-Bubble-ebook/dp/B08FCY6V7Y
"A great photo can have mediocre IQ, but a mediocre photo cannot be saved by great IQ"
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whumber
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A very real possibility for the difference is that, like the original G9, the G9ii uses the video C-AF system for the high speed modes rather than the stills system.
The claims you are making are much broader than the arguments you provide.
For example, if I turn on Animal Recognition in S-AF, my OM-1 will instantly spot my cat; if I switch to Face Detection, it will focus on a human face; but if switch back to Animal Recognition and point the camera at a person, it won't recognize them the same way as a cat.
Therefore, Animal Recognition does not work for human figures.
What you describe above is just ordinary C-AF+Tracking, which works with any subject (including humans), even if Animal Recognition is turned on.
Tracking may work better if there is only one potential subject in the frame, as you often have with swimming or surfing. But if you have a complex and dynamic image, the tracking will often switch away from a human subject, because the camera doesn't know what a human looks like. It would have no trouble following a cat, because it can instantly spot a cat, and won't mistake anything else for a cat.
Anyway, all of these claims were being made in service of your larger argument that OMDS doesn't need to add human figure detection or to fix CAF-Tracking, because it's already good enough for you. While you may not care about the AF issues, they still exist for others.
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whumber
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It does work for human figures, but the question is what is the success rate of the image classifier. Shooting a cat, for instance, the success rate is darn near 100% with the OM-1. At the same time, I've been shooting ski racing with animal detect and I would estimate it working around 75% of the time. With humans in a portrait scenario maybe 25% of the time. I would still really love to see a proper human detection mode to improve reliability, but it can be useful as is.
EZGritz
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What is the percentage for a skiing cat? How about a sitting person? Are you comparing motion with little to no motion?
whumber
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My wife is already trying to dress our dogs up in ski gear for a picture, the cats will be furious if you give her more ideas. =)
EZGritz
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Cats don't care what we think. They can catch their own food. Dogs know they need us to feed them.
Yes, the OM-1 will identify a skier as a subject the photographer wants to track and will track it even if it doesn't know it's a human and thinks it's an animal.
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Author of "The Pelican Squadron" - Harvey Gene Sherman
https://www.amazon.com/Pelican-Squadron-Tale-Internet-Bubble-ebook/dp/B08FCY6V7Y
"A great photo can have mediocre IQ, but a mediocre photo cannot be saved by great IQ"
Yes, the OM-1 will identify a skier as a subject the photographer wants to track and will track it even if it doesn't know it's a human and thinks it's an animal.
--
Author of "The Pelican Squadron" - Harvey Gene Sherman
https://www.amazon.com/Pelican-Squadron-Tale-Internet-Bubble-ebook/dp/B08FCY6V7Y
"A great photo can have mediocre IQ, but a mediocre photo cannot be saved by great IQ"
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Interview with Sandro Rymann, OM System Head of Business EMEA. Video went up 11/21/23. Takeaways:
> Sandro claims that some functions will arrive via firmware update and some will be packed in future cameras they can't talk about as always....
> It doesn't look like that Japan R&D will provide AF guide for OM-1 (as they didn't for the E-M1X)
> Significant request for better human F&E AI AF and OM-1 FW update by German Oly community
> Demand for F2 zooms, mainly a 35-100mm F2 and an updated lens roadmap by users
Original source: https://www.mu-43.com/threads/possi...es-and-product-management.120331/post-1673597
> Sandro claims that some functions will arrive via firmware update and some will be packed in future cameras they can't talk about as always....
> It doesn't look like that Japan R&D will provide AF guide for OM-1 (as they didn't for the E-M1X)
> Significant request for better human F&E AI AF and OM-1 FW update by German Oly community
> Demand for F2 zooms, mainly a 35-100mm F2 and an updated lens roadmap by users
Original source: https://www.mu-43.com/threads/possi...es-and-product-management.120331/post-1673597
Box Brownie
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Watching on my phone, I cannot see any English subtitles or auto translation.
PS why only German subtitles where the language is German too ???
PPS it will be interesting to see what & when the promised (?) new firmware will bring to the table?
PS why only German subtitles where the language is German too ???
PPS it will be interesting to see what & when the promised (?) new firmware will bring to the table?
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