That is a shame about not being able to get into enough photography basics to make better use of his Sony gear. I have a friend who wanted to move past what her FZ35 could do in terms of making better quality large prints while allowing for some cropping. She got a Nikon D3200, but keeping in mind how to set the basics of aperture, shutter speed, etc., to make the pictures turn out how she wanted was distracting her from actually getting the shots she wanted. With her TZ1 and FZ35 compacts, program mode gave her files that were quite workable without having to give camera operation much thought. She ended up shelving the Nikon and getting an FZ1000, which she's been very happy with these past five years.Well... in the case of my friend who overbought the too, big, too expensive gear, though he certainly didn't know what was likely to be most useful to a beginner like himself, I did offer suggestions, but of course all of those were ignored. I think that he just made the foolish assumption that more expensive gear was going to somehow make him a decent photographer, with little to no effort and that playing with the thing would be pure fun. Once he got the thing (and I really didn't harp on him for ignoring my advice), I tried to explain some basic things to him about the effects of aperture, exposure and how he might deal with focusing on a subject that isn't in the middle of the frame (pretty important, I'd say)... but he seemed to lack the patience even to learn this basic stuff. The guy is decent musician and gaining that kind of knowledge took many years and lots of effort. I think that the difference is that he started with the music thing young and built on that over the years, whereas the photography thing is brand new to him and somehow age has given him far less patience to learn anything from the very begging.The one thing I think full-frame has going for it for a beginner is that with a reasonably fast lens a person can experiment with shallow depth of field, whether just to obscure a distracting background or for other creative purposes. In the 1970's, when I went from simple box cameras to something with a little more precision and control, a budget-priced SLR with a normal lens of f/1.7 to f/2 was just as capable of this as the more well-heeled users of Rolleiflex and Hasselblad medium format cameras got with their 80mm f/2.8 lenses.So many of us... just seem to be programmed to want the greatest of everything, even if it's far beyond anything that would ever be useful to them. Resolution, detail and all of that in photography seem to be one of those things. Sure, a huge format offer a technically higher level of performance, but the question is whether it will be useful for the kind of photography that you do.
A friend of mine, who bought a FF Sonny camera against my recommendations (I said that he should start of with smaller, cheaper, more compact gear)
I don't know what your friend bought, but a Sony a7 II with Sony FE 50mm f/1.8 lens goes for about $1100 now, and I could see that as a reasonable choice for a beginner. The Pentax SP1000 with 55mm f/2 lens I got in 1975 was typical of what beginner-level photography instructors wanted students to use in my area, and there is a lot to learn from a similar full-frame DSLR/normal prime combination today, with the bonus of its being hugely more capable for low light and large print sizes, with output quality suitable for some professional/commercial applications you wouldn't dream of attempting with 35mm film.
I'm curious as to what lenses he was wanting, perhaps what types of photography he wanted to pursue.and decided that with the lenses he might want to use with it that the thing is too big and too expensive,
I like that question, "how good do I really need for the kind of thing that I'm most likely to be doing a lot of?" However, I do think it's more easily answered by someone who has been into photography for a while than it would be for a beginner. I think a case can be made for starting a beginner off with such diverse choices as a full-frame starter kit like I described above, a tiny sensor bridge camera like the FZ300 (which more than meets all of my needs), or something in the middle, like a four thirds or APS-C interchangeable lens camera. Depending on what a beginner ends up wanting to do, any of those choices could prove to have been just right, or something that needs to be moved away from.was talking to me about buying some dedicated video camera that he's read about that's got far better low light performance than the Sony he bought. The thing is that the guy is a newbie to photography and even more so to video... I guess that he just hates the idea of even putting the time into learning photography or video unless he's capturing it on the very best gear that he can get. All of this is of course silly, but it seems that enough folks think this way to sell lots of expensive photo gear. There's a thought process that's more about "what might conceivably be useful to me in the most extreme situation that I haven't yet run into?" rather than the more reasonable thought of "how good do I really need for the kind of thing that I'm most likely to be doing a lot of?
Your post did remind me of something I read, and largely agree with, in an FZ300 review:
"Does the FZ300 make good enough pictures for you? If you are a professional photographer the answer will be no, as expected. But many amateur and enthusiast photographers buy more and sometimes far more camera capability than they need or can use effectively. The corporations which make cameras and the retailers which sell them . . . will tell you the FULL FRAME model makes better pictures which is true in the technical sense. But most buyers will never need or be able to utilise the full extent of that quality. And the FZ300 provides remarkable versatility in a single, all-in-one package with no need for extra lenses or any other additional equipment." http://cameraergonomics.blogspot.com/2020/01/panasonic-lumix-fz300-re-appraisal-19.html
I have to agree about Four Thirds. My most-used camera at present is the Olympus E-450 DSLR, and all I have is the little 14-42mm kit zoom it came with. That lens has been on the camera since I bought it in 2009, and it has met my simple needs quite well.My advice to a beginner (at least one who seems to be really interested in learning about the medium), would be to get a few year old, cheaper m43 camera with the kit zoom and some kind of faster prime... which isn't too much differnt than what I use (I use m43 gear exclusively). It's a compact kit, easy to carry, still offers very good IQ and is something that one can grow with. I worked briefly selling cameras some years ago and sold a number of Olympus EM-10 mkII cameras to beginner photographers and it's hard to know exactly how they fared, but I remember that a couple of them did come back to the shop and tell me that they were very happy with the gear that they bought.
I bought the FZ300 when shopping for a replacement for my Pentax W20 weather-proof camera. The FZ300 doesn't have that level of water-proofing, but it holds up in a light rain, and that's all I really need from it. The huge zoom range is not something I've put to use yet (bought mine in 2018). About 95% of my pictures are taken at the 50mm equivalent setting, and I don't think I've gone past 90mm equivalent except for some testing in the backyard. When handling different options at the store, I just liked how the FZ300 felt in hand, it's very usable EVF, and just how easy and pleasant it is to operate. With its f/2.8 lens and effective image stabilization, it's my most capable low light camera; good enough, anyway, for static subjects in dim museums. If and when my E-450 dies, the FZ300 can very easily take its place (though I know I will miss the E-450's optical viewfinder!). Someday I might re-visit a wildlife park, and perhaps then I'll get some use out of the FZ300's telephoto range.I think that the super-zooms sell as well as they do because users like the idea of having that kind of giant zoom. I'm sure that there are some very good photographers who use those cameras and utilize the whole zoom range but for a lot, maybe even most buyers its more about the novelty of having a camera that can go from a roomy wide angle shot to getting the top of the steeple of the church that they're visiting...
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