Trolleyman
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Larger companies are ok with it, is it really that much of a risk. I did use the SD card method to update my E-M5 ii, so much simpler than the usual method.
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Any chance of an OM-1 firmware update dropping ?
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drj3
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I though downloading a file to an external drive ended with floppy drives. Even downloading files to an internal drive which the user must them use to update firmware on computers and peripherals has been abandoned by most manufacturers.
Now almost all the firmware updates are click the update button, let the computer download and install the update, since it requires little expertise by the user.
My most recent firmware update for my Z790 Gigabyte motherboard, was simply a click the update button in the Gigabyte Control software and let it do the firmware update.
I clicked the update button in the Samsung 990 NVME SSD in Samsung Magician and the update button in the WD 850 NVME SSD in Dashboard to update the firmware in those drives, no files to download or upload for the firmware updates.
My wife could easily update the Olympus/OM Systems cameras, but would be lost if required to insert an SD, find it in the file system to download the required firmware update and then install the update in the camera.
Bobapingu
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Since you are asking for opinions, this is my uninformed opinion. It depends!
It depends on if OMDS has a new flagship body in the pipeline. We know nothing.
If it has, there'll be only fixes, no feature upgrades. They'll keep the goodies for the new model.
If it hasn't got a new flagship body in the pipeline, there will be feature upgrades to revitalise interest in the OM-1.
My guess is the latter. The OM-1 body is still very current and I'm guessing, still selling well. The'll want to squeeze all the can out of it. We'll see.
It depends on if OMDS has a new flagship body in the pipeline. We know nothing.
If it has, there'll be only fixes, no feature upgrades. They'll keep the goodies for the new model.
If it hasn't got a new flagship body in the pipeline, there will be feature upgrades to revitalise interest in the OM-1.
My guess is the latter. The OM-1 body is still very current and I'm guessing, still selling well. The'll want to squeeze all the can out of it. We'll see.
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It seems to me that things have gone quite well for OM System (OMS) in recent times – the OM-1 was a sufficient step forward to both encourage people to upgrade and bring new people into the system. They have sold 150-400s as fast as they can make them. However, I have no idea what their financials look like. The cost-cutting they have undertaken should have helped the numbers considerably.
If JIP intends to keep running OMS for a relatively long period, then it needs to be profitable. If they want to exit (which most likely means selling it to someone else), they first have to attract a buyer and then will wish to get the best price they can. This will basically be a multiple of earnings so the key to a successful exit is a healthy, profitable and growing business. Someone posted earlier that they need to aggressively manage cash; I agree - in business, cash is king.
OMS is a camera manufacturer. This means that they have little/no recurring revenue in their business mix; they rely entirely on product sales. In a product business, it is critical to have a pipeline of new / updated products. I cannot conceive that Olympus would not have had a product development roadmap that they passed on to JIP – it would have been a key factor from JIP’s perspective.
People have commented in these forums that OMS pipeline seems to be a bit bare or at least too slow. There hasn’t been an updated lens roadmap in a while. IMO though, we should be expecting some delays in OMS product launch / FW upgrade cycles. Why?
I agree with others here that OM-1 FW updates can help plug the gap until the OM-1.2 comes along. The major development costs could well have been covered by now and FW updates could help keep the OM-1 selling. FW updates don’t change hardware (unless there is something extra in the sensor that could be “unlocked”?) but IMO the OM-1 was a big step forward from both the EM1.3 and 1X and provides a platform that could evolve for a while.
It’s relatively easy to identify potential tweaks for some 1.x updates – improved AF (faster / better human tracking), etc; I’m not sure what they could come up with to justify a 2.0 update and positively impact sales by looking a bit like a product refresh and getting significant coverage from reviewers and forums.
One way to boost revenues would be an OM-1X (I recall seeing a comment credited to a OM representative suggesting that the EM-1X met sales projections – whatever those were) – that would add another product line to the mix.
An OM-1X would also allow the OM-1 price to slide a little over as it stops being the flagship model and increase it’s longevity before a new model becomes essential.
I just hope that JIP share my views of their world and are acting accordingly!
If JIP intends to keep running OMS for a relatively long period, then it needs to be profitable. If they want to exit (which most likely means selling it to someone else), they first have to attract a buyer and then will wish to get the best price they can. This will basically be a multiple of earnings so the key to a successful exit is a healthy, profitable and growing business. Someone posted earlier that they need to aggressively manage cash; I agree - in business, cash is king.
OMS is a camera manufacturer. This means that they have little/no recurring revenue in their business mix; they rely entirely on product sales. In a product business, it is critical to have a pipeline of new / updated products. I cannot conceive that Olympus would not have had a product development roadmap that they passed on to JIP – it would have been a key factor from JIP’s perspective.
People have commented in these forums that OMS pipeline seems to be a bit bare or at least too slow. There hasn’t been an updated lens roadmap in a while. IMO though, we should be expecting some delays in OMS product launch / FW upgrade cycles. Why?
- The sale to JIP and subsequent internal restructuring / downsizing – having been through a couple of these events in large corporations, they divert substantial amounts of senior management time / attention away from the core business and reduce the effectiveness of the rest of the workforce due to uncertainty, speculation and reduced management focus.
- Covid – we all know about this and not many companies were able to avoid some negative impact.
I agree with others here that OM-1 FW updates can help plug the gap until the OM-1.2 comes along. The major development costs could well have been covered by now and FW updates could help keep the OM-1 selling. FW updates don’t change hardware (unless there is something extra in the sensor that could be “unlocked”?) but IMO the OM-1 was a big step forward from both the EM1.3 and 1X and provides a platform that could evolve for a while.
It’s relatively easy to identify potential tweaks for some 1.x updates – improved AF (faster / better human tracking), etc; I’m not sure what they could come up with to justify a 2.0 update and positively impact sales by looking a bit like a product refresh and getting significant coverage from reviewers and forums.
One way to boost revenues would be an OM-1X (I recall seeing a comment credited to a OM representative suggesting that the EM-1X met sales projections – whatever those were) – that would add another product line to the mix.
An OM-1X would also allow the OM-1 price to slide a little over as it stops being the flagship model and increase it’s longevity before a new model becomes essential.
I just hope that JIP share my views of their world and are acting accordingly!
vertigo1959
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My brand new OM-1 died after a firmware update about a year ago and i knew then and now that i will never do another firmware update again ever,
But on a positive note its been quite liberating because the camera has been a stellar performer for my wildlife photography and i never need to fuss about updates again.
If an OM-2 came out i would wait about 8 months and buy one.
I use a different full frame camera for landscape and most family pics and will never update that either.
May seem crazy to some but i am happy with that,
But on a positive note its been quite liberating because the camera has been a stellar performer for my wildlife photography and i never need to fuss about updates again.
If an OM-2 came out i would wait about 8 months and buy one.
I use a different full frame camera for landscape and most family pics and will never update that either.
May seem crazy to some but i am happy with that,
Regor250
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Maybe OMDS will pull the same trick as Ricoh/Pentax and keep releasing the same body in different body skins/color! OM-1 camo version coming next!
Regor250
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It's coming...
- AI human subject detection
- Improved subject tracking
- Graduated Live ND
- AI bokeh simulation
- AI Star Tracker
- Customized Histogram position and display that works in S-OVF
- ...
I wish they would add something like Live LUT, which the G9II has, so I could use my own presets for SOOC JPEGs. This is just a software tweak, so it wouldn't be as difficult as some of the other items.
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mikero
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Is that a wish list, or have you actually heard something?
If you want to add to a wish list, then SH2 at lower than 25fps would be on mine.
Mike
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Yes, this is an oddity on the OM-1. They give you a blackout free mode but only with 25 & 50 FPS. Why not 5/10/15/20 FPS thus anybody can use it for various use cases.
I would like to have a pure 10bit video mode (w/o vlog/HLG) if you dont want to grade the footage.
Plenty of UI & customization tweaks. One example: function swap between menu and info buttons.
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You forgot more video functions. Every second Sony alpha is purchased for video. A good way how to expand your customer base. Even their ex-ambassadors shoot more and more video.
Why no panorama mode? Every smartphone has it.
Andrew Ellis
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Taking of Video functions, there is one thing that I want and both Chris and Jordan commented on in their DPR review of the OM-1 and that's if you want to shoot in 10bit mode (H265), you are forced to use only the OM-Log 400 or HLG profiles and it locks you out of Flat or the standard picture profiles. I wished they fixed that.
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drj3
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25 and 50 fps are blackout free, but not live view. They show the previously exposed image which is okay at those frame rates. The previously exposed image at 5 fps would have a large, noticeable delay - shoot an E-M1.1 at the high frame rate setting to see what that is like.
mikero
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I don't see the problem. Surely it's simple....
Run the algorithm at 50fps, but only send 1 in 2, 1 in 3, 1 in 4, etc frames to the card. That would give recorded frame rates of 50fps, 25fps, 17fps, 12fps, 10fps, etc, whilst still maintaining the user experience of 50fps.
What am I missing?
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drj3
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This would probably work, but it would probably still be limited to the same lenses and the minimum shutter speed of 1/640 which appear to be important for the OM Systems blackout free mode (or 1/320 for the 25 fps mode).
It could work on the Panasonic G9.2 which does not have these limitations, but at least one review has mentioned the delay in the blackout free mode for the G9.2.
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As long as we're listing wishes, can we add hand held high res compensating for movement on there? That would make the feature useful in way more situations.
Art_P
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Nikon released the camera before the firmware was finalized, and the update added features/functionality that was meant to be there from the start, but wasn't ready when the camera came out?
Regor250
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Just a wish list, some plausible. They have a patent to use sensor shift to track stars for instance, the histogram improvements may be a bridge too far, bokey simulation might be too demanding to work live, graduated ND I don't see why not, it's really adding a mask to the combined shots, better subject tracking is pure software so theoretically possible and human detection, as opposed to face detection should be possible as much as bird detection is.
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