PLShutterbug
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That could kind-of work, but weren’t the “S” variants higher resolution?
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I want Nikon to give me a camera with global shutter (now).
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ProDude
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Don't expect to see Nikon jump in that pond. By it's tech nature a global shutter, at this current state, remains hampered by limited dynamic range as you'll soon see with the tests to come start hitting the media.
As usual, Sony is a "First" to the party in tech nothing new there. First one would have to ask. What is their Z9 or Z8 NOT allowing them to shoot properly? My answer in my world is nothing. So I"m not motivated. A year or 2 from now it may well be a different story.
As usual, Sony is a "First" to the party in tech nothing new there. First one would have to ask. What is their Z9 or Z8 NOT allowing them to shoot properly? My answer in my world is nothing. So I"m not motivated. A year or 2 from now it may well be a different story.
NeedMorePractice
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I wouldn't want one this soon anyway. Give the manufacturers a few years to figure out how to address any hiccups and improve some of the "downsides" of a newer technology like this, particularly in this product type. Technology moves quickly, perhaps not quickly enough for some, but have a little patience and before you know it there will be more affordable and "better" options with this tech on the market from several manufacturers.
I like the idea of a global shutter and all it offers, but I'm in no rush to jump on the first versions of it in this type of product. Let them work some magic. I had intended to upgrade my Z6 to a Z6iii, if offered soon, but this might make me hold onto it for a couple more years to see how the global shutter thing plays out, depending on what Nikon announces in the near future.
I like the idea of a global shutter and all it offers, but I'm in no rush to jump on the first versions of it in this type of product. Let them work some magic. I had intended to upgrade my Z6 to a Z6iii, if offered soon, but this might make me hold onto it for a couple more years to see how the global shutter thing plays out, depending on what Nikon announces in the near future.
j_photo
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A global shutter could be a nice enough thing, especially for those whose type of shooting can benefit from it. But at this moment, Sony's announcement is more of gee-whiz, look, we are going to have the coolest tech...someday, really!
The title of this thread feels much the same, a bit of hyperbole. Really, you need this now?
The title of this thread feels much the same, a bit of hyperbole. Really, you need this now?
PaulDunlopPhotography
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I think it's great that someone released it - but I will definitely wait for some maturity on this tech
also - I am not saying Nikon doesn't do this at all - but it seems like all the marketing shows the main benefits in Bold Print - but the caveats are listed in small print below
ex - Flash up to 1/8000 - but only with on camera flash - which a lot of people do not use - they prefer Off Camera
ex - focus breathing compensation - in my opinion Nikon used to tout this as a HW solution in their lenses - but it does not seem to be well known. - if the HW is better, you don't need to fake it with SW
ex - a lot of the high frame rates are achieved without either AF or AE during the burst
my understanding is that is why Nikon numbers are lower - they provide full AF and AE during the burst - which I feel is mandatory
anyway - someone has to push the envelope - which Nikon did with the Z9 - Canon did with the R3 - and now Sony is bringing the new tech
this is good for most of us - even though we may not need a global shutter today (Spring 2024) or in the near future - 2025
also - I am not saying Nikon doesn't do this at all - but it seems like all the marketing shows the main benefits in Bold Print - but the caveats are listed in small print below
ex - Flash up to 1/8000 - but only with on camera flash - which a lot of people do not use - they prefer Off Camera
ex - focus breathing compensation - in my opinion Nikon used to tout this as a HW solution in their lenses - but it does not seem to be well known. - if the HW is better, you don't need to fake it with SW
ex - a lot of the high frame rates are achieved without either AF or AE during the burst
my understanding is that is why Nikon numbers are lower - they provide full AF and AE during the burst - which I feel is mandatory
anyway - someone has to push the envelope - which Nikon did with the Z9 - Canon did with the R3 - and now Sony is bringing the new tech
this is good for most of us - even though we may not need a global shutter today (Spring 2024) or in the near future - 2025
vbuhay
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Help me understand... will the A9III have a dust curtain like the Z9...
No, I made the title wrong. People don't read it in 1-person. They read it as HJVN want one, and I don't.
PLShutterbug
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If Nikon’s nomenclature means single-digit names = FF and double-digit names = DX then that won’t work. Or perhaps it is <20= FF, in which case a Z10 could be.
I don’t think they thought far enough ahead in releasing the Z6/7 names.
SecondTimeAround
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No.
For a few examples, the D70 and D70S are both 6MP, the D3 and D3S are both 12MP, and the D4 and D4S are both 16MP.
"X" was used a few times for higher resolution models.
michaeladawson
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I don't know. Go read the press releases. Having a dust curtain is not related to any other feature of the sensor... BSI, stacked, global shutter, etc. A global shutter is not a dust curtain. Both the Nikon and the Sony are stacked sensors. Sony has added a global shutter to it. Nikon is still using a rolling shutter.
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Sounds like another $6K gimmick. Isn't the Z8/Z9 without a shutter enough? If you need 120 fps, why not just shoot video? Really, where will it end? Well, for me it pretty much ends with the Z9; it does everything I need it to do for just about every genre of photography, i.e., all photography.
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Video doesn't give me raw files. I can see use cases for it, but I wouldn't use it too often myself.
Never, progress marches on.
Sure, but for those of us who shoot birds/etc, we can easily see higher FPS being useful for wing positions and takeoffs/landings. Sports, you're more likely to get the exact instant that the thing happens (the catch, the ball being hit by the bat, etc) which can make for a more dramatic shot.
For people who shoot events, faster flash time is apparently useful (I don't, so can't speak to it really).
j_photo
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Got it. Thanks for the explanation.
Leonard Shepherd
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Sony first deliveries are scheduled more than 3 months away - in February.
Lets wait and see if anybody beats Sony to the starting gate.
Lets wait and see if anybody beats Sony to the starting gate.
Hmm.
Thom trying to imply that another frog is about to jump? Canon has the threat of an R1 hanging over the camera market, and that one has to come out sooner or later (it's been over two years since they left that gap in their lineup).
The threatened Nikon models (Z6iii, or maybe finally a modern APS-C) wouldn't really register for a potential buyer of the A9iii. Other than those two manufacturers, the only other option is something crazy like Sigma coming out of left field with a global shutter foveon multi-aspect ratio sensor.
Z9H might work for a 24MP high speed body with global shutter similar to the D1H or D2H
Vince P
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Faster flash sync is great if it let's you use wide apertures and fill flash. HSS works but not if you need the higher end of the flash range as it can't match the power.
The issue is most on camera flash, at full power, have a duration of 1/500 or less so a higher shutter speed is going to limit that and 1/500 at ISO 250 is still causing problems that exist at ISO 100 and 1/250 but without an HSS solution. So it's going to work best with something new. It's like the 1/80000 shutter speed, 1/32000 is freezing almost anything that 1/80000 will but in terms of allowing wide apertures in bright light that 250 base ISO is going to cancel things out. 2000 base ISO, for log video. is again going to be a challenge in many situations.
This is the first global shutter and things are going to get better from here but, I can't help feeling that it's an as well as, camera for certain niche things which loses out for a lot of other uses. Of course I also expect it to be ahead of current cameras in terms of AF and AI etc.
Michael Firstlight
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Is that you Veruca Salt?
MrHollywood
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A Z8 or Z9 has a better sensor for stills. The global shutter of the A9III is not enough to offset the far higher MP of the Nikons. The Nikon fast sensor readout eliminates almost all of the rolling shutter anyway. But if you plan on mostly video work, the Sony may be a better pick. The flash stuff is truly niche these days. I'll stick with my Z9 for now!
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