I just want the oldest and Pretty good in a 2000-3000 dollar normal non retro camera. Nikon have not made much leap in 5 years for this category as they are busy catering for the pro market and retro enthusiasts.
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I want Nikon to give me a camera with global shutter (now).
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It is very unlikely that Nikon will put a GS into any existing camera. When the data transfer needs, adding a Gobal Shutter senosr to an existing design would be like adapting 4 barrel carburetor to a one barrel intake manifold on your 60s chevy nova.
A new body will be built around the new sensor.
For those of you that don't know what a carburetor is, Ask your grandpa.
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HyperCypher
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Nikon might be happy to sell you one in a few years ... $6-8K
What's coming in GS for trad. cameras is multi image processing to get higher dynamic range ... which is the true holy grail of photography ... just like cell phones (which are leading the way) ....
What's coming in GS for trad. cameras is multi image processing to get higher dynamic range ... which is the true holy grail of photography ... just like cell phones (which are leading the way) ....
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michaeladawson
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Too much emphasis on a strict progression of numbers that translates to a completely logical progression of features. They haven't shot themselves in the foot unless you have some OCD disorder going on.
What do you think Nikon is going to use the Z1 to Z4 designations for? If they stick to this strict naming convention are we to assume that there are to be five cameras lower spec'd than the Z5?
There is nothing wrong, in my mind, of reserving Z1 for the ultimate body. Would Nikon ever do a rangefinder styled body? I don't know, but where would you number that? Seems like Z1 to Z4 are good placeholders for out of the ordinary models.
chambeshi
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If you know anything about the greater Nikon Ecosystem, you will know the flagship[ Sports ILCs have all been designed for lowlight and speed. The D3 in 2007 broke the ceiling on high ISO in this category of camera.
The D5 sensor is still the industry leader in this lowlight niche, and it's even better in the advanced D6 (Intranet-ready jpgs especially). It is perfectly feasible to capture publishable images at ISO 30 000 and higher for some clients, particularly with the post processing tools we now have.
The 45mp stacked sensor in the Z9 was the first exception to Nikon's historical trend in flagship IQ. Some of still use a D6 in tandem with the superb Z9 for wildlife subjects in challenging light. Nikon could diversity their Z Lineup by putting it out a 24mp Z10 or Z9 II with 24mp stacked sensor.
The Z9 is already highly advanced to capture sports images at 120fps in jpgs and without reference to footnotes of conditions etc (especially leveraging Pre Capture, which arrived in March 2022, albeit jpg only output). Nikon engineers are known to be investigating upgrading RAW output with PreCapture, and perhaps at 120 fps, but this could well demand a larger buffer and/or an EXPEED8. So llet's see the Z9 II - possibly for the 2024 Paris Olympics.
The D5 sensor is still the industry leader in this lowlight niche, and it's even better in the advanced D6 (Intranet-ready jpgs especially). It is perfectly feasible to capture publishable images at ISO 30 000 and higher for some clients, particularly with the post processing tools we now have.
The 45mp stacked sensor in the Z9 was the first exception to Nikon's historical trend in flagship IQ. Some of still use a D6 in tandem with the superb Z9 for wildlife subjects in challenging light. Nikon could diversity their Z Lineup by putting it out a 24mp Z10 or Z9 II with 24mp stacked sensor.
The Z9 is already highly advanced to capture sports images at 120fps in jpgs and without reference to footnotes of conditions etc (especially leveraging Pre Capture, which arrived in March 2022, albeit jpg only output). Nikon engineers are known to be investigating upgrading RAW output with PreCapture, and perhaps at 120 fps, but this could well demand a larger buffer and/or an EXPEED8. So llet's see the Z9 II - possibly for the 2024 Paris Olympics.
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chambeshi
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Nikon already has much of the sensor technology for a global shutter - thanks to its sensor design teams. This Press Release is receiving new attention, since Nikon released their high speed stacked / HDR - industrial - stacked sensor nearly 2 years ago. It uses a global shutter, and Nikon have patents on similar sensor tech (which Thom Hogan and others have written about).
Their sensor R&D also designed the top layers that matter in the Exmoor based Z9 stacked sensor - fab'ed by Sony (apparently).
If they want a stacked sensor with global shutter they will have likely designed it, subject to production costs for a FX Flagship Z camera. However the Fab costs (by Sony or TowerJazz etc) will be high, particularly if its use is restricted to only 1 flagship.
https://www.nikon.com/company/news/2021/0303_cmos_01.html
Their sensor R&D also designed the top layers that matter in the Exmoor based Z9 stacked sensor - fab'ed by Sony (apparently).
If they want a stacked sensor with global shutter they will have likely designed it, subject to production costs for a FX Flagship Z camera. However the Fab costs (by Sony or TowerJazz etc) will be high, particularly if its use is restricted to only 1 flagship.
https://www.nikon.com/company/news/2021/0303_cmos_01.html
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fotosean
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For me, definitely NOT a must-have. Don't get me wrong, if I was invested in Sony glass, I would be all over the a9III, even given the cost, as it is by all appearances a VERY impressive camera body that checks a lot of boxes for everyone from pros to enthusiastic amateurs like me.
But even if Nikon surprises everyone and comes out with a Z6 III next year even under t the Sony's $6K price tag...I'd still not purchase it. I've got the Zf on order, should be here finally next week, and tops on my "don't need, but really, really want" list are the Plena and maybe a Z8 if Black Friday/Cyber Monday pops a sale on them. Hard for me to believe with a Zf and a Z8 in the stable, I'd ever need to buy another body, and would just continue to spend my meager funds on the Nikkor Z glass that just seems to get more impressive with every new lens announcement.
But even if Nikon surprises everyone and comes out with a Z6 III next year even under t the Sony's $6K price tag...I'd still not purchase it. I've got the Zf on order, should be here finally next week, and tops on my "don't need, but really, really want" list are the Plena and maybe a Z8 if Black Friday/Cyber Monday pops a sale on them. Hard for me to believe with a Zf and a Z8 in the stable, I'd ever need to buy another body, and would just continue to spend my meager funds on the Nikkor Z glass that just seems to get more impressive with every new lens announcement.
michaeladawson
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So don't restrict it. D3/D700, Z9/Z8. I'd throw in D4/Df too except the Df didn't sell anywhere near as well as the D700 did in comparison to the D3. Too early to say about the Z8.
Unless and until Nikon works out all the cons that surface from using a global shutter I don't think you will see it in a Z9 II. More likely that Nikon would make some new body for it so they have two "flagship" choices. Like the A1/A9 and rumored R3/R1.
sirhawkeye64
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Where's the "I don't care" option?
I'm impressed by what Sony has done, but I'm also not that much of a gear head, and frankly, I'm sure that there are going to be some limitations we don't know about about the a9 III so I'd personally wait to see some actual real-world usage before the whole world goes to a global shutter design.
I mean, while the focal plane shutter has its limitations and downsides, it's been around for a LONG time and have served people well. I know some people are drawn into new technology and the idea of a global shutter (in general) has been on people's minds for at least the past 10-15 years if not longer, but for me, and probably a few others on here, it's not as big of a deal (partially likely because we don't shoot things that would necessarily benefit from a global shutter system, and I'm not saying we are the only ones and that it doesn't matter, but I'm sure at some point Nikon and Canon will have global shutters. I mean Nikon/Canon going the ES only shutter route was a step forward, the global shutter is another step forward, and again, like with cameras in general, its a constant game of leap frog. Maybe in 10-15 more years, we'll have something better than a global shutter....
Personally, for me, $6k for a 25MP body is a bit much, despite this one being a sports cameras (as the entire A9 series is sort of that way). I like to take vacations so I'll stick to the cheaper cameras, and the hudles I have to deal with regarding your typical focal plane shutter/mechanical shutter system. The Global shutter obviously has its benefits (ie. literally no sync speed) but things like HSS have made faster shutter speed for strobes possible, although there is a "cost" obviously. But for me, at least, I don't think that cost justifies going to a camera in this range yet despite the benefits.
Just my thoughts though. I'm not saying NIkon shouldn't do this, but I think the new design is aimed more for certain genres... I don't think a landscape photographer is going to care much about the a9 III. They'll probably spring for an A7R V or A1.
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Brian Homer
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Indeed if the gear list is anything to go by photographer with no need for global shutter demands one NOW! And in true wind up style makes no further post.
starbase218
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A Z6 III with global shutter falls into the same category (for now) as that illusive 15-600mm f/2.8 lens.
Seriously, the A9 is USD6000, the Z6 II is USD1700. New technology does not come cheap.
Seriously, the A9 is USD6000, the Z6 II is USD1700. New technology does not come cheap.
dj_paige
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Shouldn't the title say "I Want an Oompa Loompa Now! And I want Nikon to drop everything that they are doing and make me one immediately"?
At least, that's what I think it should say.
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chambeshi
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The Z8 value is very hard act to follow. It's quite likely useful to increase the hook up ratio of high end Z Nikkors, attracting D500 and D850 owners, and in particular selling
1. More copies of the Z9 sensor;
2. Even more returns on the Z9 R&D in additon to the high Z9 sales;
3. A sizeable proportion of the total sales of the 400 f4.5S, 180-600, 800 PF etc + 600 PF
In their most recent Medium Term Strategy Report, Nikon underscores the importance they place on the Lens:ILC Ratio - ideally 2:1 to push up profits.
Perhaps, these factors, at least in part, explain the lower Z8 price.
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I just want a bunch, I mean a bunch, of people that don't really need the tech, except for bragging rights, to sell their current gear and buy this camera.
That way I can get a Z8 much cheaper.
That way I can get a Z8 much cheaper.
Read this : What's Really Happening with Sony? | Cameras and Photography Explained | Thom Hogan (bythom.com)
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For the general photography consumer (and prosumer), a global shutter doesn't necessarily buy you things that you actually need. The fast rolling shutters of the A9 Mark II, A1, Z8, and Z9 are plenty fast enough.
For the professional photographers trying to make a living from images, a global shutter will be useful, particularly in sports and some flash usages, perhaps for photojournalists dealing with frequency-based lighting (though the top current cameras can be adjusted for that). Moreover, that group is willing to pay for benefits that are real to them.
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They have. For a start they should have just started at Z1 and left space.
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Or the z8/z9, which have a readout speed just a hair behind mechanical shutters.
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