I want Nikon to give me a camera with global shutter (now).

The cat is out of the box. We now have the first modern photo / hybrid camera with a global shutter, The Sony a9 III.
Though the specs are impressive, this sensor (like everything humans make) is a compromise and might not suit every photographer.

The a9 serie of cameras, have always been Sony's sport / action-oriented camera, and this new version seems to continue that tradition. Super-fast AF, fast framerate, lowish MP count, and not the widest in its ISO range.
We don't know about its lowlight performance, or its picture quality compared to a standart backside illuminated sensor.

It is obviously, this new sensor is not targeting high megapixel sensors in cameras like the Z 7 and Z 7II, but could it replace the sensor in a future Z 6III?
Will it be enough for Nikon to just make a Z 6III with the old Z 6II sensor and the new Expeed 7 processor, or is it now mandatory to get a global sensor together with the Expeed 7 processor?

There is no question about there one day will be a Nikon with a global sensor because the tech is now available, but the question is, is it a must have? And if so, how quick?
Should Nikon make a camera with a global shutter its first priority or should they just make a new model line for people that might need it? - Or maybe even wait for the Z 6IV to give it a global shutter.

What is the Nikon community wishes?

HJVN said:

It is obviously, this new sensor is not targeting high megapixel sensors in cameras like the Z 7 and Z 7II, but could it replace the sensor in a future Z 6III?

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It's not going to happen for a while. This poll doesn't make any sense. Nikon isn't going to magically make a 6k camera cost 2k.
My bet is the z9ii will have one in a couple of years.

I want Nikon to give me a pony (now)

I’m with Ghost-Fox1 - Nikon is not going to put global shutter into a Z6iii. That is an enthusiast camera, and putting a GA into it will drive its price out of the reach of its target market.

Nikon has kind of shot itself in the foot with its product naming. I think a GS Z9 but with 24 or maybe 33MP sensor would be fantastic, but what do you call it? Not a Z1 up to Z4 because lower numbers have so far meant lower spec (or lower resolution of the same spec, in the case of the Z6 and Z7). Z8 is taken with the same-res mini-Z9, so … Z8.9? Z9-?

PLShutterbug said:

I’m with Ghost-Fox1 - Nikon is not going to put global shutter into a Z6iii. That is an enthusiast camera, and putting a GA into it will drive its price out of the reach of its target market.

Nikon has kind of shot itself in the foot with its product naming. I think a GS Z9 but with 24 or maybe 33MP sensor would be fantastic, but what do you call it? Not a Z1 up to Z4 because lower numbers have so far meant lower spec (or lower resolution of the same spec, in the case of the Z6 and Z7). Z8 is taken with the same-res mini-Z9, so … Z8.9? Z9-?

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Z9S, like the D3 variant

You say we have it, but we don't. Even Sony shooters don't have it, yet.

You also say that "Though the specs are impressive, this sensor (like everything humans make) is a compromise and might not suit every photographer."... buy you need one "now".

Next thing, you will want it to have 45mp... or even 61mp...

Nikon first global shutter sensor is not going to appear in a Z6.

HJVN said:

The cat is out of the box. We now have the first modern photo / hybrid camera with a global shutter, The Sony a9 III.
Though the specs are impressive, this sensor (like everything humans make) is a compromise and might not suit every photographer.

The a9 serie of cameras, have always been Sony's sport / action-oriented camera, and this new version seems to continue that tradition. Super-fast AF, fast framerate, lowish MP count, and not the widest in its ISO range.
We don't know about its lowlight performance, or its picture quality compared to a standart backside illuminated sensor.

It is obviously, this new sensor is not targeting high megapixel sensors in cameras like the Z 7 and Z 7II, but could it replace the sensor in a future Z 6III?
Will it be enough for Nikon to just make a Z 6III with the old Z 6II sensor and the new Expeed 7 processor, or is it now mandatory to get a global sensor together with the Expeed 7 processor?

There is no question about there one day will be a Nikon with a global sensor because the tech is now available, but the question is, is it a must have? And if so, how quick?
Should Nikon make a camera with a global shutter its first priority or should they just make a new model line for people that might need it? - Or maybe even wait for the Z 6IV to give it a global shutter.

What is the Nikon community wishes?

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PLShutterbug said:

I’m with Ghost-Fox1 - Nikon is not going to put global shutter into a Z6iii. That is an enthusiast camera, and putting a GA into it will drive its price out of the reach of its target market.

Nikon has kind of shot itself in the foot with its product naming. I think a GS Z9 but with 24 or maybe 33MP sensor would be fantastic, but what do you call it? Not a Z1 up to Z4 because lower numbers have so far meant lower spec (or lower resolution of the same spec, in the case of the Z6 and Z7). Z8 is taken with the same-res mini-Z9, so … Z8.9? Z9-?

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Tim Devine said:

Nikon first global shutter sensor is not going to appear in a Z6.

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Why not? The only global shutter on the near horizon is 24mp... which just so happens to be the same as the z6/z6II.....

RWN Photo said:

Tim Devine said:

Nikon first global shutter sensor is not going to appear in a Z6.

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Why not? The only global shutter on the near horizon is 24mp... which just so happens to be the same as the z6/z6II.....

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If you think nikon is going to put a new high end expensive piece of gear in a much cheaper mid range camera body first, I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you...

What he said.

ghostfox_1 said:

RWN Photo said:

Tim Devine said:

Nikon first global shutter sensor is not going to appear in a Z6.

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Why not? The only global shutter on the near horizon is 24mp... which just so happens to be the same as the z6/z6II.....

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If you think nikon is going to put a new high end expensive piece of gear in a much cheaper mid range camera body first, I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you...

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ghostfox_1 said:

RWN Photo said:

Tim Devine said:

Nikon first global shutter sensor is not going to appear in a Z6.

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Why not? The only global shutter on the near horizon is 24mp... which just so happens to be the same as the z6/z6II.....

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If you think nikon is going to put a new high end expensive piece of gear in a much cheaper mid range camera body first, I have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you...

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How much for the bridge you don't own?

Let’s see how well this thing works before we sell everything off and need this new toy.

what is the dynamic range? Do you like the colors? How is the noise on this sensor? Don’t assume that there are no trade offs here. I’m pretty happy with the image quality coming from Nikon.

Is Sony giving up on the ~$4,000 to $4,500 FF camera market? What's to face the Z8?

The earliest Nikon that could possibly have a global shutter would be the Z9 II. I don't think it is economically feasible right now to put a global shutter in a camera like the Z6 III which would be around the 2-2.5k US$ price point.

Honestly, for most of us, having a camera with a global shutter isn't magically going to take our photos to the next level. It is great though for working pros who need it for the specific use cases where high speed action is required to be captured without rolling shutter artefacts or where they really need high speed sync.

The fact is that Sony has been the earliest entrant and the ones who've truly placed their bets on mirrorless much before Nikon/Canon got into it. So no surprise that they are the first ones now to come out with this. But others will get there soon. In the meanwhile there's nothing stopping you from making totally amazing images with the gear you have now.

I think we're skipping some steps first.

I think a Z6iii gets a stacked sensor first, maybe something quick enough to ditch the mechanical shutter, as is my opinion in another thread -but not something with global shutter.

Honestly, I don't think a global shutter comes out from Nikon for a long, long time. Lets not kid ourselves, Nikon doesn't churn out sensors fast enough for this. We just got the 45MP stacked sensor 2 years ago, the Z6 sensor is from 2018 (5 years) the BSI 45MP sensor derives from the D850 (2017, 6 years), every DX camera has a D500 sensor derivative (2016, 7 years) and the Z5 is still using a non-BSI 24MP sensor derivative from the D600-D750 (2012-2014, 9-11 years).

In relation to everything else, Nikon just released their flagship sensor. I just don't see any chance they pump out another sensor to compete against the a9iii. Additionally I think its worth considering that Nikon has never competed against the a9 lineup before like-for-like. Canon's R3 is probably Sony's closest competitor to the A9 lineup. Nikon and the Z9 compete against a Sony a1, and the unannounced, unreleased Canon R1.

The Z8 could have been this a9 competitor camera, but Nikon instead opted to make another Z9 but in a smaller body. Of course I think a Z8 compares very well against an R3 and the a9ii, but until the Z8 OR the Z9 gets a refresh, or a Z9S model begins to exist at the very least, I think there won't be like-for-like competition to the a9iii from Nikon for a very long time.

TOF guy said:

Is Sony giving up on the ~$4,000 to $4,500 FF camera market? What's to face the Z8?

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Tack on $100 for 'inflation', and that's what the Sony a7RV costs.

Your choice of poll questions is quite odd. What if I want it in a Z8 or Z7? Or a Z9 and don’t care about a Z6?

Nikon has to get the Z6 out soon. I’m sure it’s been going through testing for a while now. It either already has, or more likely doesn’t have, a global shutter. This poll matters not one bit. The Z6 is already spec’d out.

HJVN said:

The cat is out of the box. We now have the first modern photo / hybrid camera with a global shutter, The Sony a9 III.
Though the specs are impressive, this sensor (like everything humans make) is a compromise and might not suit every photographer.

The a9 serie of cameras, have always been Sony's sport / action-oriented camera, and this new version seems to continue that tradition. Super-fast AF, fast framerate, lowish MP count, and not the widest in its ISO range.
We don't know about its lowlight performance, or its picture quality compared to a standart backside illuminated sensor.

It is obviously, this new sensor is not targeting high megapixel sensors in cameras like the Z 7 and Z 7II, but could it replace the sensor in a future Z 6III?
Will it be enough for Nikon to just make a Z 6III with the old Z 6II sensor and the new Expeed 7 processor, or is it now mandatory to get a global sensor together with the Expeed 7 processor?

There is no question about there one day will be a Nikon with a global sensor because the tech is now available, but the question is, is it a must have? And if so, how quick?
Should Nikon make a camera with a global shutter its first priority or should they just make a new model line for people that might need it? - Or maybe even wait for the Z 6IV to give it a global shutter.

What is the Nikon community wishes?

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No, they just need to release Z6iii with Zf af specs and 33mp sensor. Done. Everybody will be happy.

jjz2 said:

HJVN said:

The cat is out of the box. We now have the first modern photo / hybrid camera with a global shutter, The Sony a9 III.
Though the specs are impressive, this sensor (like everything humans make) is a compromise and might not suit every photographer.

The a9 serie of cameras, have always been Sony's sport / action-oriented camera, and this new version seems to continue that tradition. Super-fast AF, fast framerate, lowish MP count, and not the widest in its ISO range.
We don't know about its lowlight performance, or its picture quality compared to a standart backside illuminated sensor.

It is obviously, this new sensor is not targeting high megapixel sensors in cameras like the Z 7 and Z 7II, but could it replace the sensor in a future Z 6III?
Will it be enough for Nikon to just make a Z 6III with the old Z 6II sensor and the new Expeed 7 processor, or is it now mandatory to get a global sensor together with the Expeed 7 processor?

There is no question about there one day will be a Nikon with a global sensor because the tech is now available, but the question is, is it a must have? And if so, how quick?
Should Nikon make a camera with a global shutter its first priority or should they just make a new model line for people that might need it? - Or maybe even wait for the Z 6IV to give it a global shutter.

What is the Nikon community wishes?

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No, they just need to release Z6iii with Zf af specs and 33mp sensor. Done. Everybody will be happy.

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I'm sure they held something back from the Zf to put into the Z6III