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sony vs. canon
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IRShoot
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they are orange and apple.
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Hmm.... I'd say they're more "red apple" and "green apple".
Can I assume you're comparing the 828 to a Canon DSLR?
Sony P&S to Canon P&S - Sony hands down from my experience.
Sony 828 vs. Canon 10D - I'd give the edge to Canon but there are many compelling arguments for the 828.
Why don't you tell us a bit more about how you shoot.
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Can I assume you're comparing the 828 to a Canon DSLR?
Sony P&S to Canon P&S - Sony hands down from my experience.
Sony 828 vs. Canon 10D - I'd give the edge to Canon but there are many compelling arguments for the 828.
Why don't you tell us a bit more about how you shoot.
Jim
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not point and shoot... but... maybe prosumer... like G3....
what about compact cameras? i heard canon makes better compact cameras
what about compact cameras? i heard canon makes better compact cameras
Backdoctor
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do canonites go to sony and nikon forums to start p*ssing wars? Sure seems to me that happens a lot.
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oh yes, the canon cameras are so much better, but we're too dumb to notice the difference, so go back to canon forum, you can't help us, we're doomed.
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Justin Blethrow
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As the last two posts by 'Backdoctor' iilustrate, emotions are very high around here right now and you are simply not going to get a well considered answer to your question. You have already been branded a 'Canonite' and dismissed. A certain cadre here is laboring under the impression that 'Canon trolls', 'Canon employees' and 'Canon spies' are waging a covert effort to convince them to give up their Sonys. Seriously, I'm not making that up.
If you pose the question on the Canon forum, you will likely recieve an equally biased response that may be derogatory of the Sony. However you will probably not be personally attacked, at least not right off the bat like you will be around here.
You would do well to look carefully at Phil's reviews of the cameras you are interested in, and download full size sample images and look at them at 100% magnification. Consider that different cameras have different sensor types, and look into the strengths and weaknesses of those different types.
Doing it this way means a lot more work for you, but you'll actually get information that will lead you to an informed decision. There was a time when you could get that in the forums, but those days are gone (for now).
If you pose the question on the Canon forum, you will likely recieve an equally biased response that may be derogatory of the Sony. However you will probably not be personally attacked, at least not right off the bat like you will be around here.
You would do well to look carefully at Phil's reviews of the cameras you are interested in, and download full size sample images and look at them at 100% magnification. Consider that different cameras have different sensor types, and look into the strengths and weaknesses of those different types.
Doing it this way means a lot more work for you, but you'll actually get information that will lead you to an informed decision. There was a time when you could get that in the forums, but those days are gone (for now).
Max Fun
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The person just asked a simple question. If he heard a rumour that Canon compacts were better, does that make him a 'Canonite'? He started by asking your opinion on the state of things, not bashing anyone or anything. If you haven't got anything constructive to say, then just don't say anything.
I made the switch from Canon compacts to Sony because I liked what the V1 could offer. Image wise, it's very hard for an untrained eye to tell the difference between the two, and in fact other camera manufacturers as well. The professional can, but when you're discussing about compacts/sub-compacts where pictures are printed on 4x6 or 8x10, then the difference is rather negligible. However, Canon's picture has been reputed to be softer than the Sony's because of weaker in-camera sharpening, which is supposed to be Canon's 'philosophy' on how images are supposed to be processing. For a casual shooter, this means that Sony's images have more bite and seem sharper. But for more demanding users, they may find more sharpening artifacts that may become a problem if they post-process the pictures, not so much of a problem with the Canons.
An important point to note is that Canon compacts (S and G series) can shoot RAW, unlike the Sonys except for the up and coming F8s8, which I've only recently realised, is immensely handy in correcting white balance, and even to correct lighting problems.
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I made the switch from Canon compacts to Sony because I liked what the V1 could offer. Image wise, it's very hard for an untrained eye to tell the difference between the two, and in fact other camera manufacturers as well. The professional can, but when you're discussing about compacts/sub-compacts where pictures are printed on 4x6 or 8x10, then the difference is rather negligible. However, Canon's picture has been reputed to be softer than the Sony's because of weaker in-camera sharpening, which is supposed to be Canon's 'philosophy' on how images are supposed to be processing. For a casual shooter, this means that Sony's images have more bite and seem sharper. But for more demanding users, they may find more sharpening artifacts that may become a problem if they post-process the pictures, not so much of a problem with the Canons.
An important point to note is that Canon compacts (S and G series) can shoot RAW, unlike the Sonys except for the up and coming F8s8, which I've only recently realised, is immensely handy in correcting white balance, and even to correct lighting problems.
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kennyp
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Could be because he has a new S50 canon!
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Maybe he's thingking of exchanging ti for the V1? Why's everyone here so sensitive?
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Justin Blethrow
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Oh, well then he must be a communist. Er wait I guess these days he must be Al Qaida. Er wait, he's part of the evil Canon conspiracy! That's it! The worst villains of all! Kenny, can I sign up for your army now that I've demonstrated the appropriate level of thoughtlessness and ignorance?
wow... i didn't expect such responses. I didn't mean any offense at alll.
I am new to the digital camera world. I did recently buy a canon s50 (it was actually a gift), but I was thinking of buying another for my brother (subcompact)... and perhaps another for myself later (i.e. the F828) now that i have seen the limitations of a slower lens.
The reason I came into the sony forum was that I fell in love with some sample images taken from sony cameras (i.e. s70, s75, s85, f717, and even V1) which i thought were amazing. I didn't know what it was about sony images that really caught my eye (perhaps it is the sharpening mentioned earlier) but i couldn't help think it was more?, especially since i had seen "sharpened" canon photos. I haven't looked too carefully at sony however, since many of the cameras were out of my price range ( i was researching like mad, before a friend surprised me by buying one for me as a gift).
Overall I think the s50 is a great camera for the size and price (even though the shots have all required post-processing). I'm still in the market however, now that I'm hooked on photography... for a more serious camera ( and also a small p&S for my brother). The F828 is thus definitely on my mind, especially since i have been relatively unimpressed by canon dslr samples. (i'm still unsure how much weight one can put on the viewing of samples)
My remark on small P&S cameras were concerning small cameras such as the canon s230. True, most of what i've heard is from the canon forum, but overall i have found them to be very helpful, giving for the most part what seemed to be objective advice. they have told me that the elphs are one of canon's strengths for that class of camera. I'm less a fan of the P series (p32 P5, P9, P10), but i may still get one of those for my brother if they will take better images straight out of the camera. Still open minded, and came into this forum to get another perspective.
I don't have any loyalty to any brand name... but if i was loyal to sony, I'd probably be happy if people were jumping ship for canon, in that it would probalby lower prices on sony cams, as I hope the 300D will help lower the prices sooner on the F828.
Best Wishes.
I am new to the digital camera world. I did recently buy a canon s50 (it was actually a gift), but I was thinking of buying another for my brother (subcompact)... and perhaps another for myself later (i.e. the F828) now that i have seen the limitations of a slower lens.
The reason I came into the sony forum was that I fell in love with some sample images taken from sony cameras (i.e. s70, s75, s85, f717, and even V1) which i thought were amazing. I didn't know what it was about sony images that really caught my eye (perhaps it is the sharpening mentioned earlier) but i couldn't help think it was more?, especially since i had seen "sharpened" canon photos. I haven't looked too carefully at sony however, since many of the cameras were out of my price range ( i was researching like mad, before a friend surprised me by buying one for me as a gift).
Overall I think the s50 is a great camera for the size and price (even though the shots have all required post-processing). I'm still in the market however, now that I'm hooked on photography... for a more serious camera ( and also a small p&S for my brother). The F828 is thus definitely on my mind, especially since i have been relatively unimpressed by canon dslr samples. (i'm still unsure how much weight one can put on the viewing of samples)
My remark on small P&S cameras were concerning small cameras such as the canon s230. True, most of what i've heard is from the canon forum, but overall i have found them to be very helpful, giving for the most part what seemed to be objective advice. they have told me that the elphs are one of canon's strengths for that class of camera. I'm less a fan of the P series (p32 P5, P9, P10), but i may still get one of those for my brother if they will take better images straight out of the camera. Still open minded, and came into this forum to get another perspective.
I don't have any loyalty to any brand name... but if i was loyal to sony, I'd probably be happy if people were jumping ship for canon, in that it would probalby lower prices on sony cams, as I hope the 300D will help lower the prices sooner on the F828.
Best Wishes.
Justin Blethrow
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Hi again,
I can't offer you any advice on the S series cameras as I don't own one, or any competing models. I do own a V1 and have been quite happy with it.
As to your decision regarding which of the more sophisticated cameras to buy, I would advise you to wait until the 828 has been on the market for at least a little while and then go try one out personally. If you're considering other models, you should try those out as well. In any case, take the time to really know the differences between the various models/technologies, so as to know which is best for you. Also take the time to figure out as best you can just how much you will demand of the camera.
A possible good strategy for you might be to go try out a 717 now and see if you like it. When the 828 hits the market, many 717 owners will be selling theirs on eBay and elsewhere and you could take advantage of that to get one at a low price. You could do that, play with the thing for a few months to see if it meets your needs, and if not, sell it for probably about what you paid for it. In the meantime you could be comparing the images you get to what's coming out of the 828 and also the dSLRs to see if the price difference is really worth it to you.
And of course you didn't mean any offense. You just didn't know what sort of madness you were walking into.
I can't offer you any advice on the S series cameras as I don't own one, or any competing models. I do own a V1 and have been quite happy with it.
As to your decision regarding which of the more sophisticated cameras to buy, I would advise you to wait until the 828 has been on the market for at least a little while and then go try one out personally. If you're considering other models, you should try those out as well. In any case, take the time to really know the differences between the various models/technologies, so as to know which is best for you. Also take the time to figure out as best you can just how much you will demand of the camera.
A possible good strategy for you might be to go try out a 717 now and see if you like it. When the 828 hits the market, many 717 owners will be selling theirs on eBay and elsewhere and you could take advantage of that to get one at a low price. You could do that, play with the thing for a few months to see if it meets your needs, and if not, sell it for probably about what you paid for it. In the meantime you could be comparing the images you get to what's coming out of the 828 and also the dSLRs to see if the price difference is really worth it to you.
And of course you didn't mean any offense. You just didn't know what sort of madness you were walking into.
Backdoctor
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All his other posts are from the Canon forum. Why start with such an inflammatory statement. If he has questions about the image quality or features of a camera, fine. That was a trollish statement to make for his initial post here, after so many posts only at Canon.
These type posts are out of hand and really have no place here or in any forum. Want to talk photography, great. But to start with "gee, which brand is better, I hear canon is " or garbage like that, simply inflammatory and trollish. Cant believe you dont see that, or even would want to put up with that. There was no specific question asked about a specific issue.
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first off, this was the guys only post here - all others were at Canon, and he appears to own a Canon.
Secondly, if he had said something to the effect " What do you feel are the differences between photos from a G50 and a 717" that would be an honest and reasonable question. but to ask the quality of photos of one brand vs another? There are too many models with different end results to compare. The only sony I own is a camcorder, I come here for photography as you have some good photographers here. Trolls are tiring, here and at NTF. Cant believe any of you at STF put up with it. There was no specific question asked. This guy was looking for controversy, not information.
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Secondly, if he had said something to the effect " What do you feel are the differences between photos from a G50 and a 717" that would be an honest and reasonable question. but to ask the quality of photos of one brand vs another? There are too many models with different end results to compare. The only sony I own is a camcorder, I come here for photography as you have some good photographers here. Trolls are tiring, here and at NTF. Cant believe any of you at STF put up with it. There was no specific question asked. This guy was looking for controversy, not information.
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Max Fun
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As I'd said earlier, there is a definite difference between how the 2 companies process their images in general- Sony likes it sharp, Canon does it softer.
Also, with the Digic chip, Canon's colour processing is also different than the Sonys. After my short comparison between the S400 and V1, I think the Canon produces slightly warmer colours, but I'm going to venture to say that my V1 does more accurate colours.
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Also, with the Digic chip, Canon's colour processing is also different than the Sonys. After my short comparison between the S400 and V1, I think the Canon produces slightly warmer colours, but I'm going to venture to say that my V1 does more accurate colours.
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Backdoctor
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statements as yours. My point is that all his prior posts were at Canon, and he owns a canon. If he were looking to buy a camera and questioned what your opinion is on images of one vs another - fine. But again, just to post which images are better based on brand? That is subjective, as some may like warmer images, others like accuracy. That opens a big debate, and with the plethora of trolling going on, it seems inappropriate. How can one be on these boards for any period of time and not see all the b.s. that goes on.
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