Sony A7R V or Fuji GFX 100S/ ii

I didnt shoot these images but can you tell which image was shot with which camera. GFX100II vs A7RV

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These are downsampled to about 1 MP.

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Take two of the comparison. Here are the high resolution files from both cameras. Processed from RAW files in LR and cropped to match.

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A

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B

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C

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I am guessing here since I do not know what Sony images look like, but I think 2 and 4 are Fuji.
 
Online jpeg comparison tests are tricky.

If I had the raws on my machine with my monitor I would tell you.

I think I can tell here, but by the time we see these files on whatever monitor we have (many have non-4K), they have been exported from LR as not full-size jpegs (and we don't know the quality setting on export), sent up to the DPR server, then viewed by people on whatever non-4K monitor at Lord knows what downloaded size and who knows what they are seeing.

Greg Johnson, San Antonio, Texas
 
Online jpeg comparison tests are tricky.

If I had the raws on my machine with my monitor I would tell you.

I think I can tell here,
So which is which?
but by the time we see these files on whatever monitor we have (many have non-4K), they have been exported from LR as not full-size jpegs (and we don't know the quality setting on export), sent up to the DPR server, then viewed by people on whatever non-4K monitor at Lord knows what downloaded size and who knows what they are seeing.
Very diplomatic answer :)
 
Online jpeg comparison tests are tricky.

If I had the raws on my machine with my monitor I would tell you.

I think I can tell here,
So which is which?
but by the time we see these files on whatever monitor we have (many have non-4K), they have been exported from LR as not full-size jpegs (and we don't know the quality setting on export), sent up to the DPR server, then viewed by people on whatever non-4K monitor at Lord knows what downloaded size and who knows what they are seeing.
Very diplomatic answer :)
This may be the fist time I've seen someone call Greg diplomatic.

😉
 
I'll reveal the results after I have enough participants take the test. :)
I'll take a guess. B and D have more saturated colors, more contrast and more sharpening applied to gussy them up. I'd say A and C are Fuji. :)
On all pics:

Default sharpening - 40

Saturation and Vibrance - 0

played mainly with exposure and WB to match.
 
Online jpeg comparison tests are tricky.

If I had the raws on my machine with my monitor I would tell you.

I think I can tell here,
So which is which?
but by the time we see these files on whatever monitor we have (many have non-4K), they have been exported from LR as not full-size jpegs (and we don't know the quality setting on export), sent up to the DPR server, then viewed by people on whatever non-4K monitor at Lord knows what downloaded size and who knows what they are seeing.
Very diplomatic answer :)
This may be the fist time I've seen someone call Greg diplomatic.

😉
The way he dodged answering the question was very diplomatic. :-)
 
I'll reveal the results after I have enough participants take the test. :)
I'll take a guess. B and D have more saturated colors, more contrast and more sharpening applied to gussy them up. I'd say A and C are Fuji. :)
On all pics:

Default sharpening - 40

Saturation and Vibrance - 0

played mainly with exposure and WB to match.
As I understand it all manufacturers have a base level of processing baked into the raw files before you ever get them into photoshop. 40 sharpening is a lot.



So, was I right or wrong? Go ahead. I can take it if I’m wrong. :)
 
I'll reveal the results after I have enough participants take the test. :)
I'll take a guess. B and D have more saturated colors, more contrast and more sharpening applied to gussy them up. I'd say A and C are Fuji. :)
On all pics:

Default sharpening - 40

Saturation and Vibrance - 0

played mainly with exposure and WB to match.
As I understand it all manufacturers have a base level of processing baked into the raw files before you ever get them into photoshop.
Not at all what I've seen.
40 sharpening is a lot.
Too much, IMHO.
 
I'll reveal the results after I have enough participants take the test. :)
I'll take a guess. B and D have more saturated colors, more contrast and more sharpening applied to gussy them up. I'd say A and C are Fuji. :)
On all pics:

Default sharpening - 40

Saturation and Vibrance - 0

played mainly with exposure and WB to match.
As I understand it all manufacturers have a base level of processing baked into the raw files before you ever get them into photoshop.
Not at all what I've seen.
40 sharpening is a lot.
Too much, IMHO.
This was default when the Sony and Fuji RAWs were loaded into LR. I didnt touch it.
 
I'll reveal the results after I have enough participants take the test. :)
I'll take a guess. B and D have more saturated colors, more contrast and more sharpening applied to gussy them up. I'd say A and C are Fuji. :)
On all pics:

Default sharpening - 40

Saturation and Vibrance - 0

played mainly with exposure and WB to match.
As I understand it all manufacturers have a base level of processing baked into the raw files before you ever get them into photoshop.
Not at all what I've seen.
40 sharpening is a lot.
Too much, IMHO.
Then wouldn’t all raw files from every manufacturer look the same in photoshop ACR with all values set to zero?
 
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Take two of the comparison. Here are the high resolution files from both cameras. Processed from RAW files in LR and cropped to match.

f3c8d9b930294ea59b6b5e2895730027.jpg

A

24dbd5f3e97e4d84b45823e850acbaa7.jpg

B

faa1c058f2784fa8b7be67a1f9fa327c.jpg

C

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D
Fuji A, C. Sony B, D.

Still downsampled, this time to 32 MP. Both images are oversharpened.

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I'll reveal the results after I have enough participants take the test. :)
I'll take a guess. B and D have more saturated colors, more contrast and more sharpening applied to gussy them up. I'd say A and C are Fuji. :)
On all pics:

Default sharpening - 40

Saturation and Vibrance - 0

played mainly with exposure and WB to match.
As I understand it all manufacturers have a base level of processing baked into the raw files before you ever get them into photoshop.
Not at all what I've seen.
40 sharpening is a lot.
Too much, IMHO.
Then wouldn’t all raw files from every manufacturer look the same in photoshop ACR with all values set to zero?
No. CFA differences, sensor stack differences, microlens differences, pitch differences, lens differences.

But this was a discussion about sharpening. I hardly ever see any indication of sharpening the raw data.
 
Take two of the comparison. Here are the high resolution files from both cameras. Processed from RAW files in LR and cropped to match.

f3c8d9b930294ea59b6b5e2895730027.jpg

A

24dbd5f3e97e4d84b45823e850acbaa7.jpg

B

faa1c058f2784fa8b7be67a1f9fa327c.jpg

C

8f75d26174f64e7b88f7c5d0d86a3c35.jpg

D
Fuji A, C. Sony B, D.

Still downsampled, this time to 32 MP. Both images are oversharpened.
Should I be turning the sharpening to zero when importing RAW files in LR?
The right number varies with the sensor pitch, which is something that Adobe hasn't yet figured out. My default for the GFX 100x is 20.

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Take two of the comparison. Here are the high resolution files from both cameras. Processed from RAW files in LR and cropped to match.

f3c8d9b930294ea59b6b5e2895730027.jpg

A

24dbd5f3e97e4d84b45823e850acbaa7.jpg

B

faa1c058f2784fa8b7be67a1f9fa327c.jpg

C

8f75d26174f64e7b88f7c5d0d86a3c35.jpg

D
Fuji A, C. Sony B, D.

Still downsampled, this time to 32 MP. Both images are oversharpened.
Should I be turning the sharpening to zero when importing RAW files in LR?
The right number varies with the sensor pitch, which is something that Adobe hasn't yet figured out. My default for the GFX 100x is 20.
Moving the sharpening slider back and forth at 200-300% reveals a very evident threshold past which artifacts appear. Setting the sharpening slider to a value right before the artifacts appear seems to work well for me for on-screen viewing and general online use. I find I apply much less sharpening this way versus applying it while viewing at 100% magnification.
 
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