Thom Hogan has a "Commentary" on the Nikon Zf

"Way to low"? I haven't yet found a usage that makes me want 45mp+

Clearly there will be some who want a bigger pixel count but many find 24 FF perfectly fine.
I find that the biggest advantage of my Z8 45mp files over my Z6II 24mp files, is that with the Z8 I can create 24mp 4x5 vertical crops out of my horizontal shots. The Z6II files fall apart a bit when you crop that heavily.

If we're talking no cropping and no pixel peeping, I honestly can't tell the difference between 24mp and 45mp on my 27" 5k monitor.
 
Sure I was talking about my usage not others
 
For my usage and style I find I can use DX occasionally and similar crops in post.

Not all the time but handy.

I'm sure 45mp gives more options but I dont need the big file sizes etc
 
So is the AF on the Z6II "poor" or no?

I'm asking about 90% use-case scenarios, not shooting soccer players at -8EV in a huge stadium with poor lighting.
I bought a Z6ii and 2 lenses (24-120, 14-30) for a trip to Iceland. Photographing puffins one day, I spent 2-3 hours going through every single focus combination (with a 200-500mm and ftzii) with zero keepers on a bright gusty day.

Sometimes, you press the shutter button and look at what it's choosing to select (e.g. a landscape) and are thinking wthell, and then I take my gf's D5500 and it chooses the right thing and is spot on. maybe I should have not bought the Z6ii and brought my D7200 etc.. Is this progress..?!

Of course, you can select single point/pinpoint and (thank god puffins also stand still sometimes..) force it to focus on what you really want if nothing is moving (don't even think about continuous..) , but is it that kin difficult?! Just frustrating tbh, and I know the grass is greener over the hill (canon, sony, whatever ) but the Z8 is just out of reach financially and why doesn't the dual processor 2nd interation of a 2k camera focus properly.. (can I sue them for false expectations ;-) )

Having said this, it's largely otherwise a delight to use (balance/grip, UI, controls, build quality) and the Z lenses are head and shoulders above others for a combination of IQ/price etc..
 
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So is the AF on the Z6II "poor" or no?

I'm asking about 90% use-case scenarios, not shooting soccer players at -8EV in a huge stadium with poor lighting.
I bought a Z6ii and 2 lenses (24-120, 14-30) for a trip to Iceland. Photographing puffins one day, I spent 2-3 hours going through every single focus combination (with a 200-500mm and ftzii) with zero keepers on a bright gusty day.
Just a FYI, if you managed zero keepers with the Z6II you're also going to get zero keepers with the Zf or even Z8.
 
I don't really understand why very many people would choose the Zf as a primary camera for most types of paid work but I'd be curious to know the thought process of those that do.
I think a lot of people here don't really get the full gamut of what "paid work" encompasses.

If the Zf tests out for us, we'll likely buy 1 or 2 more and use them for set photography. Assuming the AF is on point, they'll be ideal for that usage. The Z9's already replaced our A1 and Z7II pair.

That's paid work. And a Zf would also be fine for events and many other types of work. Would a Z8 or Z9 be objectively better? Most of the time the images will be pretty much the same and a Zf looks less threatening than a Z9 to be sure.

I see zero advantage (at this point) in spending an extra 4 grand on a pair of Z8's for set work.

Robert
 
So yes, many of those buyers will be using this Nikon Zf for Paid work.
To the extent that's true, why would photographers using a camera for paid work choose the Zf over the Z6/Z7?

Is it because of the updates (that so many people are eagerly awaiting in a Z6III/Z7III)? Or do you really think a significant number of pros would rather the controls of a Zf over a Z6 (assuming they had all the same tech/features)?

Just curious; personally, I can't see the appeal (other than going for a hipster vibe to attract certain clientele, as someone alluded to). But I only know a very few pro and semi-pro photographers.
 
So yes, many of those buyers will be using this Nikon Zf for Paid work.
To the extent that's true, why would photographers using a camera for paid work choose the Zf over the Z6/Z7?

Is it because of the updates (that so many people are eagerly awaiting in a Z6III/Z7III)? Or do you really think a significant number of pros would rather the controls of a Zf over a Z6 (assuming they had all the same tech/features)?

Just curious; personally, I can't see the appeal (other than going for a hipster vibe to attract certain clientele, as someone alluded to). But I only know a very few pro and semi-pro photographers.
No it will make almost everything you do slower. I got the zfc for casual slowed down photography walking around town. My Z6 with top lcd, grip, better dial configuration is better for quick changing scenes and programmable buttons, joystick, etc. Even the faster cards are better for workflow and getting files out quickly.
 
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So yes, many of those buyers will be using this Nikon Zf for Paid work.
To the extent that's true, why would photographers using a camera for paid work choose the Zf over the Z6/Z7?

Is it because of the updates (that so many people are eagerly awaiting in a Z6III/Z7III)? Or do you really think a significant number of pros would rather the controls of a Zf over a Z6 (assuming they had all the same tech/features)?

Just curious; personally, I can't see the appeal (other than going for a hipster vibe to attract certain clientele, as someone alluded to). But I only know a very few pro and semi-pro photographers.
I’ve been toying with purchasing a Zf. I do some paid work though I wouldn’t call myself a pro. I cover indoor electronics events a few times per year. I’m waiting to see what the Z6iii might be. A Zf would be fine and might be what I end up with if the Z6iii is 33MP and less good in low light.

My Z7ii is good for my purposes though Zf level IBIS would be great as sometimes rooms I shoot in are fairly dark. Also 24MP is plenty for this use case, low light performance is more important than MPs. That’s my particular use case which is driving my next body purchase.
 
No it will make almost everything you do slower.
That's my assumption - that pros prefer the efficiency of evolved, modern designs. And that most pros who buy a Zf are doing so for technical upgrades rather than the hybrid/retro design. But at least a couple people here believe (or have anecdotal evidence suggesting) otherwise.

I scratched the retro itch a couple years ago with a Fujifilm X-T30 and within a month, traded it in for an X-S10. (Since then, I've sold it - I wanted to give Fuji a chance before settling on Nikon for mirrorless).
Dennis
 
My super-duper advanced and well studied view is that people will use their Zf's and other cameras as they choose!

I don't get why people have a need to "classify" tools. The best wedding shooter I ever met was using D300's, not D3's. And some of the worst shooters I've met had the most expensive gear on Earth.

It ain't the gear, folks. Especially now when even a consumer camera is so incredibly capable.

Robert
 
I don't really understand why very many people would choose the Zf as a primary camera for most types of paid work but I'd be curious to know the thought process of those that do.
I think a lot of people here don't really get the full gamut of what "paid work" encompasses.

If the Zf tests out for us, we'll likely buy 1 or 2 more and use them for set photography. Assuming the AF is on point, they'll be ideal for that usage. The Z9's already replaced our A1 and Z7II pair.

That's paid work. And a Zf would also be fine for events and many other types of work. Would a Z8 or Z9 be objectively better? Most of the time the images will be pretty much the same and a Zf looks less threatening than a Z9 to be sure.

I see zero advantage (at this point) in spending an extra 4 grand on a pair of Z8's for set work.

Robert
If you look at what I've highlighted, I'm not saying there are no scenarios where the Zf will be used for paid work. I'll also amend my comments to say that more people will buy the Zf for paid work if they're left with no other choice because Nikon drops the ball with getting better AF into other cameras below the Z8. That seems unlikely though because that means Nikon is on a path to losing customers.
 
1) ERGONOMICS: I have no issues with the handling of the Zfc. On my boat I usually put the Smallrig grip on and it's 100% secure in my hands.
So the ergonomics is perfect, but only if you add something? ;~)
I only seem to hear these ergonomic complaints online. Everyone I know with a Zfc or Df never gave it a second thought. Who are these people who had trouble holding a classic SLR body?
"These people" are ones using small primes, basically. Now try putting the 100-400mm on the camera.
I regularly use a 200-500 on mine. No problem. I hold it by the lens. Got some great shots with it yesterday.

I like my Zfc because of the it operates, not how it looks. I actually agree with you that I'd like a true FMD more, with all manual controls, but this is about as close as we're going to get it's easy to set to work in full manual mode.

The rest of Nikon's lineup just bores me and all the screaming and yelling for a Z6III is a snooze. If Nikon hadn't made the Zfc (and now the Zf) I would have just stuck with my old Leica. It's what brought me back into the fold and I bought several lenses for it. If I had to shoot with a Z6III or whatever, I'd rather just use my phone.
 
Thom is good photographer for filming wildlife, but not a marketing expert.
Shhh! Don't tell my former bosses that! ;~)

This is actually one of the problems with the Zf: NikonUSA, for instance, isn't quite sure how to market it. Note that you can't get the colored versions from anyone other than NikonUSA, partly because the last time NikonUSA tried to foist colors on dealers, the dealers all rebelled.

Note the slug-line in the US: "Performance to Inspire." That doesn't seem to be what those that like/want the Zf are responding to. And that term is sort of an afront to those waiting for the Z6 III, which they want because of implied performance gains.

Marketing is much more difficult than engineering, IMO.
Yes, Marketing is most difficult to predict as these predictions go often wrong. I can still recall Stevie Balmer’s prediction that IPhone will not gain more market share or Blackberry CEO prediction there will no more market for Tablets, wayback. There are few geniuses like Steve Job who is outstanding in Engineering as well as Marketing. It is his concept of IPhone that created a new marketing segment.



in z fc and more so in zf, IMO Nikon marketing created a beautiful, classical looking, light weight, rotational screen and cater to the needs of both photographers and videographers.Again beauty is in the eyes of the beholder 😊

I use photography as hobby to relax from my technical work to explore nature and see the beautiful landscape and light doing its magic. I want to hold my camera, appreciate what I see, think about exposure, see through LCD screen, take shot, process and watch the picture at 4K 65 inch OLED LG TV. To this end z fc is great and zf would be icing in the cake😊 I am also going to use itvHDR photography and also read more abou it.

He is highly opinionated.
No doubt. I don't see the point of having a Web site(s) on photography/gear if I didn't have opinions.
Lol. I used opiniated more in the sense of Jane Austin’s classic Pride and Prejudice 😊

In spite of his criticism, I bought Z fc and I am very happy about it.
I'll be the first one to tell you that you need to make your own decisions, regardless of what I write/say. I'm glad you're happy with yours.
I use this forum and other forums and technical reviews. It includes your sites. BTW, I am your customer 😊 I bought your book on configuring z fc and read the entire book on my IPad. Wish you had covered more technical details like your other books and I would have gladly paid for extra cost. None the less it was good.



Thanks for your excellent contribution to the photographic community minus Zf and Z fc reviews 😊

Mohan
 
So is the AF on the Z6II "poor" or no?

I'm asking about 90% use-case scenarios, not shooting soccer players at -8EV in a huge stadium with poor lighting.
I bought a Z6ii and 2 lenses (24-120, 14-30) for a trip to Iceland. Photographing puffins one day, I spent 2-3 hours going through every single focus combination (with a 200-500mm and ftzii) with zero keepers on a bright gusty day.
Just a FYI, if you managed zero keepers with the Z6II you're also going to get zero keepers with the Zf or even Z8.
I was wondering if half the problem was the 200-500mm and its focussing speed, so that could indeed by true, but the odd choices it makes sometimes (where to focus) and the problems with continuous Af is pretty well documented everywhere (also DPR) so I tend to think the body is the main problem, the lens a secondary problem.

I'm pretty good at holding this lens still (works better on the D7200) and the puffins were frequently hanging in the air in front of me, and still it would not select the bird (with nothing else in the shot, just sky or sea as distant background) and it was a little too gusty for single point, so for me the issue in that case was the focussing system and not the lens.
 
I've been mulling this over and over.

Tbh, as much as I love my FM2n and FM3a, I really appreciate the ergonomics and haptics of my D800 and D850. Right index finger for aperture, right thumb for exposure compensation, AF-ON, moving my single AF point around...

Using MF Zeiss lenses slows me down enough I think.
 
Thats been up for the best part of 2 weeks. Thom is right about a lot of things but I think he underestimates the appeal of the Zfc and Zf.
Thom just comes across as a somewhat bitter old man here, sadly. Nikon has hit a home run with the Zf, in my opinion. Thom's comment that the user interface gets in the way is frankly bizarre. It's like he is really trying to sell the reader on the idea that the Zf isn't good camera design. It is good design. The Zfc has sold well and the Zf will too. If I wasn't already completely satisfied with my Z6ii I would order the Zf. But for now, my Z6ii has been with me for two years and it still does everything I want it to do. I'll buy the Zf, but maybe in a few years from now.
 

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