Wish there were more SSM lenses...Im done with screw drive

BTW, you can't have your cake and eat it - while SSM lenses are quiet and fast, there is a tendency for them to fail and need repair more than screw drive lenses - repair centres will tell you that blown SSM motors are quite common, and the issue now with Minolta or Sony a-mount SSM lenses is that it's dubious as to whether spares exist for some of these lenses anymore. Not to mention the fact that Sony a-mount bodies have an SSM fuse soldered to the PCB and that has been known to fail, rendering all SSM lenses non-functional on affected bodies. You don't run any such risk using screw drive lenses on a-mount cameras as obviously that does not make use of the SSM fuse on the body.
I have never heard that the failure of Sony SSM lenses is common. (what common means is open to question) As a counterpoint, if the screw drive motor in the body fails none of your screw drive lenses will AF.
Never heard of the screw drive motor failing
In the past when screw drive lenses were common I saw posts from people that had the screw drive mechanism in the camera fail. Today hardly anybody uses them so such reports would indeed be rare.
I've been shooting A Mount since before Sony took over and I don't recall seeing any reports of screw drive motor failures.
I'm not sure if there's not some confusion here .

I've also never heard of the cameras AF drive motor failing , it's always the gears or other parts in the lens that might fail in screw driven lenses .

The aperture linkage in some bodies seem to be more prone to failure than others .

This also applies to some Minolta bodies .
I have heard plenty of reports of problems with the SSM fuse but fortunately haven't had any myself.
 
BTW, you can't have your cake and eat it - while SSM lenses are quiet and fast, there is a tendency for them to fail and need repair more than screw drive lenses - repair centres will tell you that blown SSM motors are quite common, and the issue now with Minolta or Sony a-mount SSM lenses is that it's dubious as to whether spares exist for some of these lenses anymore. Not to mention the fact that Sony a-mount bodies have an SSM fuse soldered to the PCB and that has been known to fail, rendering all SSM lenses non-functional on affected bodies. You don't run any such risk using screw drive lenses on a-mount cameras as obviously that does not make use of the SSM fuse on the body.
I have never heard that the failure of Sony SSM lenses is common. (what common means is open to question) As a counterpoint, if the screw drive motor in the body fails none of your screw drive lenses will AF.
Never heard of the screw drive motor failing
In the past when screw drive lenses were common I saw posts from people that had the screw drive mechanism in the camera fail. Today hardly anybody uses them so such reports would indeed be rare.
I've been shooting A Mount since before Sony took over and I don't recall seeing any reports of screw drive motor failures.
I'm not sure if there's not some confusion here .

I've also never heard of the cameras AF drive motor failing , it's always the gears or other parts in the lens that might fail in screw driven lenses .

The aperture linkage in some bodies seem to be more prone to failure than others .

This also applies to some Minolta bodies .
I have heard plenty of reports of problems with the SSM fuse but fortunately haven't had any myself.
when you say aperture linkage do you mean the metal aperture lever getting stuck or out of alignment? I have seen that and had it happen once to me - it seems to happen sometimes when changing a big heavy lens like the Sony 70-400 G lenses. But in my case I simply delicately moved it back into alignment with my finger and it hasn't happened since to me
 
BTW, you can't have your cake and eat it - while SSM lenses are quiet and fast, there is a tendency for them to fail and need repair more than screw drive lenses - repair centres will tell you that blown SSM motors are quite common, and the issue now with Minolta or Sony a-mount SSM lenses is that it's dubious as to whether spares exist for some of these lenses anymore. Not to mention the fact that Sony a-mount bodies have an SSM fuse soldered to the PCB and that has been known to fail, rendering all SSM lenses non-functional on affected bodies. You don't run any such risk using screw drive lenses on a-mount cameras as obviously that does not make use of the SSM fuse on the body.
I have never heard that the failure of Sony SSM lenses is common. (what common means is open to question) As a counterpoint, if the screw drive motor in the body fails none of your screw drive lenses will AF.
Never heard of the screw drive motor failing
In the past when screw drive lenses were common I saw posts from people that had the screw drive mechanism in the camera fail. Today hardly anybody uses them so such reports would indeed be rare.
I've been shooting A Mount since before Sony took over and I don't recall seeing any reports of screw drive motor failures.
I'm not sure if there's not some confusion here .

I've also never heard of the cameras AF drive motor failing , it's always the gears or other parts in the lens that might fail in screw driven lenses .

The aperture linkage in some bodies seem to be more prone to failure than others .

This also applies to some Minolta bodies .
I have heard plenty of reports of problems with the SSM fuse but fortunately haven't had any myself.
when you say aperture linkage do you mean the metal aperture lever getting stuck or out of alignment?
Yes .
I have seen that and had it happen once to me - it seems to happen sometimes when changing a big heavy lens like the Sony 70-400 G lenses. But in my case I simply delicately moved it back into alignment with my finger and it hasn't happened since to me
It's happened to me once as well .

I can't remember which body it was , film or digital .

It wasn't for moving with very gentle pressure with my finger , so I took the flange off to get better access and jiggled it about a bit .

It freed up no problem and has been fine ever since .

Maybe the previous lens that was mounted was a large heavy lens and I removed it carelessly, but it's been fine ever since, so no harm done .

At least it was an easy fix and didn't need to be sent away .
 
when you say aperture linkage do you mean the metal aperture lever getting stuck or out of alignment?
I had that happen to me once, and I fixed it the same way you did and it was never a problem again.
 
Never heard of the screw drive motor failing
In the past when screw drive lenses were common I saw posts from people that had the screw drive mechanism in the camera fail.
This happened to my mom twice, with the same camera. She was (at the time) using a Nikon, but it was pre-internet so she did not post about it. Nonetheless, I can confirm that it has happened at least twice and I strongly suspect quite a few more times as well.
 
Last time I'll buy Sigma.

Every other Sigma lens has been poor , either optically or mechanically.
That was then. In the last 10 years, Sigma lenses have been as good or even better than OEM.
I'll just correct my typo there .

When I wrote "Every other Sigma lens has been poor , either optically or mechanically." I meant to write " Every other Sigma lens I've owned has been poor , either optically or mechanically."
Maybe it's time to rethink your aversion to Sigma lenses because times have changed. The worst and least reliable car I ever owned was a Toyota Celica GT that I bought brand new in 1976 and got rid of 3 years later. I would be foolish to let that bad experience influence any buying decision today. In case you wonder the Toyota had the camshaft replaced and left me stranded twice, once when the clutch failed and again when the transmission failed. All that occurred before 50,000 miles.
 
Never heard of the screw drive motor failing
In the past when screw drive lenses were common I saw posts from people that had the screw drive mechanism in the camera fail.
This happened to my mom twice, with the same camera. She was (at the time) using a Nikon, but it was pre-internet so she did not post about it. Nonetheless, I can confirm that it has happened at least twice and I strongly suspect quite a few more times as well.
I'm glad you posted this. Sometimes when people have never heard of something happening then it must not have occurred.
 
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With screw drive , what was common was gear stripping on certain Sigma lenses .
sigma lenses were poorly built, gear stripping was one of the reasons I stayed away from them.
Two things that Sigma did well .

Gear stripping and incompatibility with the next generation of cameras .

Must have been a marketing decision, I mean , you've got to keep selling lenses , so make sure they'll need replacing on a regular basis ! :0

The last Sigma lenses I bought were the 19mm and 30mm for a NEX 3 .

The AF of both of them broke in a very short space of time .

Last time I'll buy Sigma.

The only Sigma lens I've had ( and still have ) are the original 12-24mm , 15-30mm and the 180mm f/3.5 1:1 Macro . All screw driven and give decent results .

Every other Sigma lens has been poor , either optically or mechanically.
This is a sweeping and dated generalisation.
Just a shame you didn't read a few more posts of this thread before replying .

You'll have noticed I clarified that typo when I said " Every other Sigma lens I've owned has been poor , either optically or mechanically." and it's still a fact .
I'm supposed to read every other comment before responding to yours?
I've had numerous Sigma lenses, none of which have had stripped gears or optical faults.
Lucky you . Amongst others , most 70-300mm lenses tended to strip their gears .

I bought one before I knew about this , two days later returned it as the gears had stripped . And that was with my Sony a100 in 2006/7 . When the a700 came out they had no chance !
Plenty of optically poorly designed Sigma lenses as well .

The 170-500mm APO I had was soft all over , my Minolta 100-300mm APO D gave better results cropped .

The 50mm and 100mm macro's I had were also inferior to other macro lenses I've since bought and older manual focus lenses I already had .
I read lens reviews and stayed away from the lenses that had gear stripping or other issues. But the Sigma lenses I have bought based on reading reviews have been good, and the two I mentioned are excellent.
The Sigma 300/4 APO Macro was a great value telephoto lens for its time (many years ago) and it's a shame they stopped making it, along with the 400/5.6 APO Macro which replaced their earlier and inferior 400/5.6.
Another gear stripper and lucky dip for compatible chip or not .
Neither the 300/4 APO Tele Macro or the 400/5.6 APO Tele Macro had gear stripping problems. It was the earlier version of the 400/5.6 which had them, and which I said was inferior in my comment.
It wasn't just Minolta and Sony A mount that had these problems , Canon and Nikon users also got caught out when they upgraded bodies . possibly other brands had the same .
I have an excellent Sigma 24-105/4 Art which is now by far my most used lens on my A99ii. And my Sigma 35/1.4 Art is also a great lens
It's the CZ 24-7omm f/2.8 ZA SSM does a good job on my a99ii .

I have zero interest in Sigma lenses , though the ART lenses do have a good reputation .
 
As I said earlier, the original question was about AF accuracy. There is no inherent reason why for static objects and AF-S, screw drive will be any less accurate than an SSM system. Where SSM pulls ahead is in terms of moving targets shot using AF-C, AF tracking, and overall speed of acquisition.
Really? Just have a look at this test:

 
As I said earlier, the original question was about AF accuracy. There is no inherent reason why for static objects and AF-S, screw drive will be any less accurate than an SSM system. Where SSM pulls ahead is in terms of moving targets shot using AF-C, AF tracking, and overall speed of acquisition.
Really? Just have a look at this test:

Honestly, I just dont think the 70-200mm G lens is a good lens. Looking at the images from Max's text, I dont think the G2 is any better.

I have a 70200 that I repaired and everytime I look at it at 2.8, I am disappointed. Cleans up at F4 though.
 
As I said earlier, the original question was about AF accuracy. There is no inherent reason why for static objects and AF-S, screw drive will be any less accurate than an SSM system. Where SSM pulls ahead is in terms of moving targets shot using AF-C, AF tracking, and overall speed of acquisition.
Really? Just have a look at this test:

Honestly, I just dont think the 70-200mm G lens is a good lens. Looking at the images from Max's text, I dont think the G2 is any better.

I have a 70200 that I repaired and everytime I look at it at 2.8, I am disappointed. Cleans up at F4 though.
I rented 70-200 Sony. My Minolta 80-200 HS 2.8 stayed in my kit bag and I had no desire to go out and buy the Sony after renting it. The Minolta has its quirks but it is an amazing lens and I would recommend it to anyone after a 70-200 type lens for a99 or a99ii.
 
As I said earlier, the original question was about AF accuracy. There is no inherent reason why for static objects and AF-S, screw drive will be any less accurate than an SSM system. Where SSM pulls ahead is in terms of moving targets shot using AF-C, AF tracking, and overall speed of acquisition.
Really? Just have a look at this test:

Honestly, I just dont think the 70-200mm G lens is a good lens. Looking at the images from Max's text, I dont think the G2 is any better.

I have a 70200 that I repaired and everytime I look at it at 2.8, I am disappointed. Cleans up at F4 though.
I rented 70-200 Sony. My Minolta 80-200 HS 2.8 stayed in my kit bag and I had no desire to go out and buy the Sony after renting it. The Minolta has its quirks but it is an amazing lens and I would recommend it to anyone after a 70-200 type lens for a99 or a99ii.
I have the Sony 70-200 G SSM and the Minolta 80-200 APO and they seem to be comparable in image quality, the APO seems a tiny bit sharper wide open. The 80-200 HS is similar optically to the APO version, but with faster gears.

Regarding AF speed, I use the 70-200 for football and futsal (indoor footbal) with a high rate of keepers. The HS might be faster, but it doesn't mean the SSM is bad.

Price wise the HS is the better lens on this focal length. I might still get one ...
 
As I said earlier, the original question was about AF accuracy. There is no inherent reason why for static objects and AF-S, screw drive will be any less accurate than an SSM system. Where SSM pulls ahead is in terms of moving targets shot using AF-C, AF tracking, and overall speed of acquisition.
Really? Just have a look at this test:

Honestly, I just dont think the 70-200mm G lens is a good lens. Looking at the images from Max's text, I dont think the G2 is any better.

I have a 70200 that I repaired and everytime I look at it at 2.8, I am disappointed. Cleans up at F4 though.
I rented 70-200 Sony. My Minolta 80-200 HS 2.8 stayed in my kit bag and I had no desire to go out and buy the Sony after renting it. The Minolta has its quirks but it is an amazing lens and I would recommend it to anyone after a 70-200 type lens for a99 or a99ii.
I have the Sony 70-200 G SSM and the Minolta 80-200 APO and they seem to be comparable in image quality, the APO seems a tiny bit sharper wide open. The 80-200 HS is similar optically to the APO version, but with faster gears.

Regarding AF speed, I use the 70-200 for football and futsal (indoor footbal) with a high rate of keepers. The HS might be faster, but it doesn't mean the SSM is bad.

Price wise the HS is the better lens on this focal length. I might still get one ...
The HS also has the Minolta "look" of beautiful delicate colour rendering. The bokeh is exquisite too. Incidentally, out of all the SSM lenses, the 70-200 is the most prone to fail apparently due to blown SSM motors. Sony 70-200 G2 is a good lens though by all accounts and potentially more reliable for AF-C tracking.
 
I had one 80-200mm HS APO G lock up with hardened grease. It had to be cleaned and the focus could sometimes stick.

That's the only time I had an issue though in many years of screw drive lenses. Some budget Sigma ones had gear issues (plastic couldn't take the torque). It never bothered me screw drive, the noise wasn't a problem mostly.
 
I had one 80-200mm HS APO G lock up with hardened grease. It had to be cleaned and the focus could sometimes stick.

That's the only time I had an issue though in many years of screw drive lenses. Some budget Sigma ones had gear issues (plastic couldn't take the torque). It never bothered me screw drive, the noise wasn't a problem mostly.
The good thing there though is that sounds like a fix not requiring parts. When an SSM lens fails usually it needs new parts and its not clear if Sony are keeping (m)any parts available for a-mount lenses
 
I had one 80-200mm HS APO G lock up with hardened grease. It had to be cleaned and the focus could sometimes stick.

That's the only time I had an issue though in many years of screw drive lenses. Some budget Sigma ones had gear issues (plastic couldn't take the torque). It never bothered me screw drive, the noise wasn't a problem mostly.
The good thing there though is that sounds like a fix not requiring parts. When an SSM lens fails usually it needs new parts and its not clear if Sony are keeping (m)any parts available for a-mount lenses
Yes it was stripped down and fixed.

Mechanical issues can be solved usually even with older items.

Today with motors even for aperture control, it's another possible failure point. I remember one going on a Canon lens I used, and you couldn't do anything at all can't take a shot.

I know of a few people who tried to get a 70-400mm G (version II) fixed and were not able to get parts for it. It seems many lenses have no parts for A Mount, unless a third party repair has scavenged some. I would probably avoid SSM purchases even used.

My impression is that Sony were winding down A Mount for a while, quietly. As parts were running out even before it was obvious the show was over.
 
I had one 80-200mm HS APO G lock up with hardened grease. It had to be cleaned and the focus could sometimes stick.

That's the only time I had an issue though in many years of screw drive lenses. Some budget Sigma ones had gear issues (plastic couldn't take the torque). It never bothered me screw drive, the noise wasn't a problem mostly.
The good thing there though is that sounds like a fix not requiring parts. When an SSM lens fails usually it needs new parts and its not clear if Sony are keeping (m)any parts available for a-mount lenses
Yes it was stripped down and fixed.

Mechanical issues can be solved usually even with older items.

Today with motors even for aperture control, it's another possible failure point. I remember one going on a Canon lens I used, and you couldn't do anything at all can't take a shot.

I know of a few people who tried to get a 70-400mm G (version II) fixed and were not able to get parts for it. It seems many lenses have no parts for A Mount, unless a third party repair has scavenged some. I would probably avoid SSM purchases even used.

My impression is that Sony were winding down A Mount for a while, quietly. As parts were running out even before it was obvious the show was over.
Yes, it's quite a risk buying an expensive used a-mount lens with an SSM motor now as it is a lottery as to whether the motor could be replaced if it fails, which they do, especially when pushing big, heavy lens elements around like in a 70-200, 70-400, 300mm, 400mm etc
 
BTW, you can't have your cake and eat it - while SSM lenses are quiet and fast, there is a tendency for them to fail and need repair more than screw drive lenses - repair centres will tell you that blown SSM motors are quite common, and the issue now with Minolta or Sony a-mount SSM lenses is that it's dubious as to whether spares exist for some of these lenses anymore. Not to mention the fact that Sony a-mount bodies have an SSM fuse soldered to the PCB and that has been known to fail, rendering all SSM lenses non-functional on affected bodies. You don't run any such risk using screw drive lenses on a-mount cameras as obviously that does not make use of the SSM fuse on the body.
I have never heard that the failure of Sony SSM lenses is common. (what common means is open to question) As a counterpoint, if the screw drive motor in the body fails none of your screw drive lenses will AF.
Never heard of the screw drive motor failing
In the past when screw drive lenses were common I saw posts from people that had the screw drive mechanism in the camera fail. Today hardly anybody uses them so such reports would indeed be rare.
I've been shooting A Mount since before Sony took over and I don't recall seeing any reports of screw drive motor failures.
I'm not sure if there's not some confusion here .

I've also never heard of the cameras AF drive motor failing , it's always the gears or other parts in the lens that might fail in screw driven lenses .

The aperture linkage in some bodies seem to be more prone to failure than others .

This also applies to some Minolta bodies .
I have heard plenty of reports of problems with the SSM fuse but fortunately haven't had any myself.
There has been at least one case here of someone having the AF motor in their A700 fail. When I looked for that part, I found it was NLA... but the A900 AF motor was available. That could mean that the A900's version is better and hasn't failed much (if at all) in the wild, or it could mean that Sony stocked more replacement motors for A900/A850s. It's been long enough, though, since these models shipped, that I would think replacement parts would be all used up for common failure issues.
 

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