Recognition Sensitivity on a6700

DutchMM

Senior Member
Messages
3,081
Solutions
4
Reaction score
1,371
Location
Bruno, IT
I have to admit I am confused by - what looks like - the tension between the a6700 manual (page 144 of the printable version) and the in-camera help.

Here's what the manual says:

a3b10efdd2e0479f893756ad5cb35620.jpg

Now here is what the in-camera help says:



a64e50ca44a84532932f9511b799f925.jpg

Am I the only one who thinks this is self-contradictory? And which is correct?
 
The manual is a bit more accurate.

It's a sensitivity setting. Let's assume that the camera is trying to recognize a face.

With a higher sensitivity setting it will sooner say "Yes, this is a face" and mark it as a point to focus on. With a lower setting it has to be more sure that it's really a face.

You can also see it this way: if something looks like a face it will give it a score to indicate how sure it is that it's actually a face. With a higher sensitivity it's for example enough that it's 40% sure. With a lower sensitivity it has to be 80% sure that it's a face.

With a lower sensitivity there will be less false positives (something is considered a face but it isn't a face) but also more false negatives (something is a face but not recognized as such). With a higher sensitivity there will be more false positives and less false negatives.
 
Digging again into the manual, I came to the conclusion that I could force AF only in the presence of a Subject Recognition Target ("target"). This matters because of the thousands (literally) of shutter actuations I have accumulated in the past 4 summers where no target was in the frame.

If you are interested, the way to do this is:
  • Have "Priority set in AF-C" to Autofocus - this prevents shutter from actuating unless the camera has focus on a target
  • Assign "Subject Recognition AF" (those exact words! don't confuse with Subject Recognition in AF!) to a custom button.
  • Set the subject recognition target you want, with the parameters that suit. I suggest you start with the defaults.
Having done all this, and made it work on a portrait we have hanging in the house, I set out to capture the darn swallows. But no amount of fiddling with the sensitivity and stickiness parameters makes the camera recognise my swallows before they are gone again; this appears to be the case even when the lens is at 70mm and the birds are flying quite high. It's easier to capture them against a blue sky with subject recognition OFF than against any background with recognition turned ON.

For other, slower, birds this recipe works reasonably well.

Cheers

Mike
Mike,

I could only imagine how difficult it is to capture these swallows as I have yet to tryout BIF with my A6700. Mind you the longest lens I have is the 135mm.

The most difficult scenario for me would be to capture the volleyball player(s) behind the net. Unfortunately I have to wait for a couple more months to try it out.
 
What's your shooting distance at the volley ball, José?

I was sitting about 8.5 paces (say: 9 metres) from the portrait. It's a print of an 18th century engraving (a portrait of my 6 great-grandmother). I got eye focus on the portrait immediately, with the lens at 70mm.

This is wikipedia's copy of the engraving.

Finlayson_after_Read_-_Elizabeth_Gunning%2C_Baroness_Hamilton_of_Hameldon.jpg


Like you, I traded in my a6600 so I can't prove this, but I would say the eye-AF is at least as good, possibly better, than it was on the a6700, so I think you will be fine.

Cheers

Mike
 
What's your shooting distance at the volley ball, José?

I was sitting about 8.5 paces (say: 9 metres) from the portrait. It's a print of an 18th century engraving (a portrait of my 6 great-grandmother). I got eye focus on the portrait immediately, with the lens at 70mm.

This is wikipedia's copy of the engraving.

Finlayson_after_Read_-_Elizabeth_Gunning%2C_Baroness_Hamilton_of_Hameldon.jpg


Like you, I traded in my a6600 so I can't prove this, but I would say the eye-AF is at least as good, possibly better, than it was on the a6700, so I think you will be fine.

Cheers

Mike
Hi Mike,

Yeah the A6700 in many ways is a lot better than the A6600. I'm beginning to think as well (comparing my past A6600 pics) that the highlight recovery is a tad better with the A6700. This is just my observation and needless to say I can't test this for sure since I no longer have the A6600.

Regarding focusing, I'll put the subject recognition to the test in a challenging scenario of players behind the volleyball net. It should be a piece of cake to the ones not hindered by the netting. I think my usual seating is about 25-30 ft. away from the players on the other side of the net. Much closer of course to the players on my side.

I'll play around with the sensitivity. For volleyball I want the A6700 to focus fast even to sacrifice a bit of accuracy.

Cheers,

José
 
Then you will want to set "Priority Set in AF-S" to "Balanced Emphasis" or even "Release" if you don't mind about shutter count; or are using the electronic shutter.

Another factor that tells me you'll be fine with the 135GM is that it gathers so much more light than my 70-350. At 300mm, I am at F6.3 wide open!

Cheers, and I look forward to seeing your pictures!

Mike
 
Will using full-time DMF to get the focus close enough to the birds help?
 
It probably would. If I could get the little b**gers to sit still. I'm not at all sure how to use DMF on a fast moving target.

Cheers

Mike
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top