R6 vs R8 (Color science, jpegs etc)

drsnoopy said:

MAC said:

drsnoopy said:

Totomo Yap said:

I dint have R6 or R8, but i own R6II currently.

Compare to my 1DX II , i found R6II jpeg image has improve DR , better tone gradation , less blown highlight and better shadow detail.

Another different ( improvement on R6II ) are skin tone colour, especially people shot which has different skin tone in same frame. Compare to 1DX II ,no more weird tonal and deeper shadow thing happened on darker skin person.

Both shot JPEG In stadard picture style, R6II has more close to scene colour . Much better/accurate AWB performance on R6II too.

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I think the OP is simply unhappy with the colours he is getting. He is used to his 6D, which is entirely understandable. He finds the R6 in some undefined way different, and in his sight this means inferior. There are many ways to make them look similar if not identical, and there is no underlying reason for an objectively quantifiable “difference”, given a RAW workflow. Changing camera bodies is therefore unlikely to remedy his problem. Personally I have found little if any colour balance difference from the 5D classic/2/3/4 series and 6D2 right through to my R5 and R7. And I am very picky in regard to IQ and colour, for which I have a calibrated monitor and a fully calibrated printing workflow.

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You could use luts if you wanted to, but the easier and simpler thing to do is just use Canon's Picture Style Editor and swing the purple hues more over towards blues so that right out of the camera, the JPGs (and video) is more to your liking.

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He’s shooting RAW, not JPEG. So he is in control of colour in post, not the Picture Style. His complaint is he can’t make the colours in his converted CR3 files look like the results from the CR2 conversions he had with the 6D.

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borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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MAC said:

RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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you can shoot RAW, use dxo PL, and with one click, change the colors to any older canon camera you liked, including 5d3 colors

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m100 said:

MAC said:

RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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you can shoot RAW, use dxo PL, and with one click, change the colors to any older canon camera you liked, including 5d3 colors

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SOOC ful sizr JPEG modern Canon colors.

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MAC said:

m100 said:

MAC said:

RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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you can shoot RAW, use dxo PL, and with one click, change the colors to any older canon camera you liked, including 5d3 colors

Click to expand...

SOOC ful sizr JPEG modern Canon colors.

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nice!

some more SOOC colors

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RLight said:

Ahh, the oldie but goodie 6D. Nothing rivals the mighty 5DIII or 6D, except maybe the 1DX.

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MAC said:

MAC said:

MAC said:

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Man you lead a fun life MAC!

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drsnoopy said:

Totomo Yap said:

I dint have R6 or R8, but i own R6II currently.

Compare to my 1DX II , i found R6II jpeg image has improve DR , better tone gradation , less blown highlight and better shadow detail.

Another different ( improvement on R6II ) are skin tone colour, especially people shot which has different skin tone in same frame. Compare to 1DX II ,no more weird tonal and deeper shadow thing happened on darker skin person.

Both shot JPEG In stadard picture style, R6II has more close to scene colour . Much better/accurate AWB performance on R6II too.

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I think the OP is simply unhappy with the colours he is getting. He is used to his 6D, which is entirely understandable. He finds the R6 in some undefined way different, and in his sight this means inferior. There are many ways to make them look similar if not identical, and there is no underlying reason for an objectively quantifiable “difference”, given a RAW workflow. Changing camera bodies is therefore unlikely to remedy his problem. Personally I have found little if any colour balance difference from the 5D classic/2/3/4 series and 6D2 right through to my R5 and R7. And I am very picky in regard to IQ and colour, for which I have a calibrated monitor and a fully calibrated printing workflow.

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M for Mobility said:

MAC said:

m100 said:

MAC said:

RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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you can shoot RAW, use dxo PL, and with one click, change the colors to any older canon camera you liked, including 5d3 colors

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SOOC ful sizr JPEG modern Canon colors.

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nice!

some more SOOC colors

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Are you guys (by any chance) related to Ken Rockwell? ()

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M4Mobility said:

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MAC said:

1. MAC wrote:

RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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you can shoot RAW, use dxo PL, and with one click, change the colors to any older canon camera you liked, including 5d3 colors

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borat21 said:

lol the opposite is true! r's have way too oversaturated profiles. look at any sample of the r6, r8 or r6m2, skin color is far from true to life.

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drsnoopy said:

drsnoopy said:

1. MAC wrote:

RLight said:

borat21 said:

sthis thread still active? I agree, R8 here and think ever since the R mount colors are really bad but I haven't figured out why yet for certain. here's my take: first of all, AWB is super super bad (severe color cast that no other pre-R camera had) to the point where it's almost unusable unless you're color blind. then the lenses and the canon color profiles add way too much contrast and color vibrancy (every mode except faithful is bad). on top of that, dynamic range does in fact ruin it if you don't know what you are doing for people trying to bring out every last bit of it. forth: there is lightroom. change the exif data from an r6 or r8 file to a 6d file and see what happens. and no, color science is not subjective. any real photographer (and I don't mean the northrup or jareds out there who earn their basic income via youtube) would agree on what a good colored photo is and what not.

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Deader than a doornail.

Honestly color science is a very personal thing. Personally I thought the 5D III / 6D original were the "glory days".

However, I've learned that those are in fact less accurate/true to life rendering-bodies, even though I prefer their rendering. This really matter with say, video work, which since the advent of Dual Pixel AF, I've been shooting alot more video with Canon bodies.

There's alot of folks that still shoot the 6D, there's nothing wrong with it.

Regarding the R8 itself, it's very good, for what it is. It's very true to life. But, that may not be what you want. True to life is "boring", life needs salt, pepper and sugar, to help the medicine go down... Seriously. Although I enjoy my SOOC from the R8, sure, picture profiles help, WB adjustments help. Yup. Artistic flare? Yes, you should. Those older bodies just had a "flare" of their own. Now you have to choose it, or if you really like that flare (I do)? You can keep shooting a 6D... I prefer my technology, too, though. Hence I shoot an R8 and have learned to agree with it.

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you can shoot RAW, use dxo PL, and with one click, change the colors to any older canon camera you liked, including 5d3 colors

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Exactly, but it’s 2 clicks.

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R2D2 said:

MAC said:

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Man you lead a fun life MAC!

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