You said “everything … Across the board”
Apparently you think Nikon must concede the war after the Z8/Z9. They can surrender now. I dispute that. Full stop.
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End of the Camera Wars
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Apparently you think Nikon must concede the war after the Z8/Z9. They can surrender now. I dispute that. Full stop.
areallygrumpyoldsod
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I am most certainly not with you there -- the fatuous nature of the "wars" is they ignore the glass and accessories - it is in YT channel's creators interest to over blow the alleged ease to switch from Brand X to Brand Y when the truth is for any enthusiast or pro their investment in glass and accessories vastly outweighs the cost of the bodies they are using at any point in time. My 20+ lenses are Nikkor and Z-mount compatible and so are my flashes/strobes/triggers etc.
We are certainly very very very far apart here -- it takes a long time to get a good working knowledge with any system, to know how to set up a camera for success in each subject/setting and to build the muscle memory for shooting to be automatic and not fumbling about.
99% of the whining I see is from folk who are "being cheap" (using none brand batteries, cheap/low performance cards and 3rd party lenses) or more often simply have not opened the manual, reference guide or any other guide and certainly spent no time testing and learning their gear.
Yes on very rare occasions these days there is odd behaviour (and this could be a badly built model). We who have owned the Z9 and Z8 from the first days have seen a wee bit of that until we learned these cameras, pair them with the appropriate cards and adapted how we shoot to ways that work best with our cameras and subjects - not just stick to comfortable old DSLR ways. All takes much longer time and far far higher time investment than most think.
Agreed.
$100k+ because who stops with one body or a few lenses.
You the UN and absolutely no-one else - as others have said wars are more interesting that peace AND the real war is Cameras -vs- smartphones.
Based on Nikon leadership comments - Nikon hope the downward spiral DICL sales has ended and some growth is now being seen. I hope so.
I also hope this includes growth in video (not just vlogging) and related uses and technologies. Nikon took a huge step forwards with the Z8/Z9 I wait to see what emerges when Nikon's ends "looking at CINE" and starts releasing products.
AND then we get to the competition for mid/high end (so not the flagship and No 2 body) and yes this is the Z6iii and Z7iii -- given "how long" Nikon is taking to release successors to the Z6ii and Z7ii I really hope whatever they release and when ever they do these are really special and prices appropriately (appropriate for the technology these bodies contain, not just dumbed down to hit a price - that is what the Z5 is for).
Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
May be. When Nikon came out with their first six DSLR models, your choices were Jpeg and Tiff. No Raw.
It wasn't until the seventh model they added Raw, and then it was some time before they offered software to process Raw files.
Stan
May be. When Nikon came out with their first six DSLR models, your choices were Jpeg and Tiff. No Raw.
It wasn't until the seventh model they added Raw, and then it was some time before they offered software to process Raw files.
Stan
Stan Disbrow
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Hi,
I have had many Nikon cameras. And plenty of non Nikon ones too. Mamiya, Contax, Pentax and Canon to name a few.
And then there were many Kodaks, both with Nikon and Canon bodies attached to the Kodak digital part.
I have never been wedded to Nikon, although the majority of all that I have had have been Nikons.
Right now, there are still two Kodaks here, one Nikon and one Canon. Plus a Pentax 645D. The only model which came from Nikon is a Df.
Next up? Maybe a Fuji GFX 100s depending on just what this new Fuji is when they announce it next month. Might drive the 100s used prices down nicely.
But I doubt my next Nikon will be any time soon. I am still waiting for a 60 MP class which was once the focus of the Z8 rumors. And I would not say No to a retro S rangefinder style. As long as it has a S mount (adapter to a Z preferred with the focusing finger wheel). I wouldn't want one that was Z mount only looking like an S. I do need to use these S mount lenses I have here.
Stan
I have had many Nikon cameras. And plenty of non Nikon ones too. Mamiya, Contax, Pentax and Canon to name a few.
And then there were many Kodaks, both with Nikon and Canon bodies attached to the Kodak digital part.
I have never been wedded to Nikon, although the majority of all that I have had have been Nikons.
Right now, there are still two Kodaks here, one Nikon and one Canon. Plus a Pentax 645D. The only model which came from Nikon is a Df.
Next up? Maybe a Fuji GFX 100s depending on just what this new Fuji is when they announce it next month. Might drive the 100s used prices down nicely.
But I doubt my next Nikon will be any time soon. I am still waiting for a 60 MP class which was once the focus of the Z8 rumors. And I would not say No to a retro S rangefinder style. As long as it has a S mount (adapter to a Z preferred with the focusing finger wheel). I wouldn't want one that was Z mount only looking like an S. I do need to use these S mount lenses I have here.
Stan
Way back when most users were experienced from years with film, so RAW was not needed until it got to the point that there were many new folks involved that could not figure out how to get good photos without doing the processing on a computer. :-D ;-) 
michaeladawson
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Case in point... the original post.
sportyaccordy
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Exactly. All that will change is the ridiculousness of the differences people argue over.
I do think that for what these cameras cost, people shouldn't have to compromise on much of what they want. But that is different from saying a camera or system is flat out bad.
smartphones are having a real effect on the world of photography, but the day that I need a smartphone to do my job is the day I take up drawing.
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…to ease the summer doldrums.
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Hoxton Bridge
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Probably because they don't have to!
Hi!
I also think that no camera makers make bad cameras today. Sure, there are differencies and this famous "high end dx Z gap" that has been discussed. And some brands offer different models/solutions than others. Heck, pick the one that ticks most boxes you need and/or camera you are comfortable with...
It's not all roses though. I am using perhaps too many systems right now (for different purposes). I sould get rid of some of them. Namely the ones that I use least.
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Climbing (and cleaning while you climb). Took with Z5 while hanging on the wall.
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ProDude
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I worked in the Jewelry industry for over 20 years. I also photographed 2 companies' catalog and website photographs for their line. I used a Canon 1D and dual flashes with a lightbox. Worked out great. This is back in 2002. So once again, I'll blame the photographer NOT the camera for weaknesses in their results. There are far too many whiners in these forums these days that either don't want to master their art, or can't grasp the mechanics of their gear properly. Sorry but truth can hurt
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The truth is Jewelry doesn't move unless somebody is pulling a Heist. Meanwhile Wildlife is erratic at best. So yes, the truth can hurt.
MrHollywood
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Not sure how saying that ALL top tier cameras are about equal these days is provocative.…to ease the summer doldrums.
My sense is that you can buy a top level SonyNikonCanon without worry. You know you have a camera you can enjoy for many years.
My Z9 has removed all shooting anxiety. It's the bomb, the cats pajamas, pie-in-the-sky....a awesome camera superb on all fronts. Canon and Sony have there own killer cams. The grass isn't really greener anywhere at this point.
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That is when the skill of the photographer is called upon. I don't care much for all the automation and subject detection AF.
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If it's a 1 in a Lifetimes type shot, I really don't care how I get the shot. Nor do most others. Overriding the AF of any camera that allows it, I do that all the time. However it never hurts to have a stellar AF system for those times when needed. Many times, even the very BEST Pros, need that.
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