Z8 problems lead to Z8ii sooner/later than Nikon planned?

astirusty · Aug 9, 2023

Will Z8's short battery life and higher potential to overheat; coupled to lenses not locking (some Z8s) and anchor strap failure recalls drive Nikon to get Z8ii to market sooner than planned or result in Nikon taking more time on Z8ii?

(Similar to Nikon quickly following up Z6 / Z7s with Z6ii / Z7iis.)

Feel free to post how many months sooner or later for Z8ii. Since only Nikon knows original schedule, only Nikon can say you are wrong. ;-)

Why Poll? For fun discussion and sense of what people think should be outcome.

Droster · Aug 9, 2023

It's not the first time they've got a botched product so they know what to do. They relaunched the D600 (Sept 12) a year later as the D610 (Oct 13) because of the oil splatter issue.

They're going to read the numbers and decide if the name "Z8" is too toxic to continue and whether they should just rebrand it like they did the D610.

SCoombs · Aug 9, 2023

Honestly having had the Z8 for several weeks now I'm really surprised by the battery life criticisms. I find the battery life to be pretty on par with my Z7ii and much, much better than my D500.

anotherMike · Aug 9, 2023

It's going to be a while before a Z8II gets announced.

They certainly have had some teething pains with the mount and the lugs, but overall there is nothing really wrong with the Z8 body once those are addressed. Smaller battery = lighter/smaller body = going to be some tradeoffs. Same with smaller body = less ability to do hours of 8K. Not sure why this is hard to figure out.Most everything in life involves compromises. Duh.

raunak · Aug 9, 2023

Don't think so. If they decide to do a rebrand by releasing a Z8 II just so some of the spotlight is taken of the Z8 issues, what additional features would it have to really make it a upgrade?

The only thing I can think of is dual CF Express card slots. The Z8 is already loaded to the brim, don't see a Z8 II coming in the next 24 months atleast.

Nikonparrothead · Aug 9, 2023

The D600 has issues that impacted image quality. The Z8 issues are design (strap lug) and a lens mount issue.

The battery issue is more failure to live up to lofty user expectations.

Thwy repaired servise issues on the D750. I’d expect thw same response.

mgreene33 · Aug 9, 2023

The majority of Z8s, particularly those that have been sent in for repair(s), are all practically refurbished now. Who knows how many units Nikon has had to pull from retailer shelves to inspect and/or repair recently too. I bet within the next 6 months the first official certified refurbished models will be for sale.

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DMCrane · Aug 9, 2023

They also had issues with the D750 which were quickly resolved and it was one of their most solid, successful cameras. I don't think the Z8 will be harmed at all.

PaulV · Aug 9, 2023

They are repaired. The sophistry on this site is unbelievable. A refurbished unit is one that has been used and then restored to new. This is all such a waste of discussion. And no, they're not going to release a new version soon. It's a great camera. There were some problems with production and they are fixing it. End of story. Nothing to see here. I have photos to take.

Lance B · Aug 9, 2023

I'm actually surprised at how good the battery life is considering its brilliant performance. Don't know what you're talking about overheating, mine's as cool as a cucumber.

Can'tsee Z8II unless there is some major upgrade that is also going to be forthcoming. But that was alwaysgoing to be a Z8II anyway.

I think the teething issues are just that, teething issues and any upgrade talk is just fantasy. I also think it would be kick in the teeth to those that already have a Z8 to see it devalued by a minor refresh and new name especially after they have endured these recalls. I think Nikon owe it to them to *not* do a rename.

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astirusty · Aug 9, 2023

PaulV said:
They are repaired. The sophistry on this site is unbelievable. A refurbished unit is one that has been used and then restored to new. This is all such a waste of discussion. And no, they're not going to release a new version soon. It's a great camera. There were some problems with production and they are fixing it. End of story. Nothing to see here. I have photos to take.

Thank you for participating in the waste of discussion. :-D

astirusty · Aug 9, 2023

Lance B said:
I'm actually surprised at how good the battery life is considering its brilliant performance. Don't know what you're talking about overheating, mine's as cool as a cucumber.

Can'tsee Z8II unless there is some major upgrade that is also going to be forthcoming. But that was alwaysgoing to be a Z8II anyway.

I think the teething issues are just that, teething issues and any upgrade talk is just fantasy. I also think it would be kick in the teeth to those that already have a Z8 to see it devalued by a minor refresh and new name especially after they have endured these recalls. I think Nikon owe it to them to *not* do a rename.

I am thinking whatever Nikon was planning on doing with Z8ii in way new features / improvements will still be done. However, Z8ii's release date will be moved forward (sooner). Along with Z8ii, possibly having an all metal body.

Metal body designed for better heat distribution, battery compartment to use D9's batteries, and have strap anchors and pins going into metal of body. Of course, milling (accuracy) changes so shims are not needed for Z lenses to reliably lock.

mgreene33 · Aug 9, 2023

PaulV said:
They are repaired. The sophistry on this site is unbelievable. A refurbished unit is one that has been used and then restored to new. This is all such a waste of discussion. And no, they're not going to release a new version soon. It's a great camera. There were some problems with production and they are fixing it. End of story. Nothing to see here. I have photos to take.

Repaired...restored... I think this could be fairly analogous, especially for any camera being sent into Nikon twice shortly after it's released already. I don't believe I've stated anything deceptive either. It IS a great camera and there hasn't been very much refuting its actual performance other than valid criticism toward these particular recalls lately.

Refurbished Z9s were sold only about a year after it was released and that was without two service advisories/recalls. I personally anticipate seeing the same with the Z8, though possibly sooner now given what has transpired as of late.

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Lance B · Aug 9, 2023

astirusty said:
Lance B said:

I'm actually surprised at how good the battery life is considering its brilliant performance. Don't know what you're talking about overheating, mine's as cool as a cucumber.

Can'tsee Z8II unless there is some major upgrade that is also going to be forthcoming. But that was alwaysgoing to be a Z8II anyway.

I think the teething issues are just that, teething issues and any upgrade talk is just fantasy. I also think it would be kick in the teeth to those that already have a Z8 to see it devalued by a minor refresh and new name especially after they have endured these recalls. I think Nikon owe it to them to *not* do a rename.

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I am thinking whatever Nikon was planning on doing with Z8ii in way new features / improvements will still be done. However, Z8ii's release date will be moved forward (sooner). Along with Z8ii, possibly having an all metal body.

Metal body designed for better heat distribution, battery compartment to use D9's batteries, and have strap anchors and pins going into metal of body. Of course, milling (accuracy) changes so shims are not needed for Z lenses to reliably lock.

This will add too much weight and size in order to fit the larger battery. If they thought that using a larger battery was justified, they would have done it to start with. As I and many others have stated, the battery life is fine and in-line with the competition. Just keep a couple of spares and "Bob's your uncle". I have two spare and have shot thousands of bird photos all day and only ever needed two, not all three batteries. Also heat does not seem to be an issue, and if it is, it is in very extreme circumstances at the extremities of use where there is a grey area of use anyway.

Karl Huber · Aug 9, 2023

astirusty said:
Will Z8's short battery life and higher potential to overheat; coupled to lenses not locking (some Z8s) and anchor strap failure recalls drive Nikon to get Z8ii to market sooner than planned or result in Nikon taking more time on Z8ii?

(Similar to Nikon quickly following up Z6 / Z7s with Z6ii / Z7iis.)

Feel free to post how many months sooner or later for Z8ii. Since only Nikon knows original schedule, only Nikon can say you are wrong. ;-)

Why Poll? For fun discussion and sense of what people think should be outcome.

Not sure what you're talking about here.

The Z 8 I've been using reliably gives me 1000+ photos per battery and NEVER gets hot.

aniltulsi · Aug 9, 2023

astirusty said:
Will Z8's short battery life and higher potential to overheat; coupled to lenses not locking (some Z8s) and anchor strap failure recalls drive Nikon to get Z8ii to market sooner than planned or result in Nikon taking more time on Z8ii?

(Similar to Nikon quickly following up Z6 / Z7s with Z6ii / Z7iis.)

Feel free to post how many months sooner or later for Z8ii. Since only Nikon knows original schedule, only Nikon can say you are wrong. ;-)

Why Poll? For fun discussion and sense of what people think should be outcome.

I have the best wife in the world, but she is capable of giving me pain few times.

So what...

Now I have the Z8, the best camera I have owned ever...

(Not waiting for a new wife or Z8ii

)

astirusty · Aug 9, 2023

Karl Huber said:
astirusty said:

Will Z8's short battery life and higher potential to overheat; coupled to lenses not locking (some Z8s) and anchor strap failure recalls drive Nikon to get Z8ii to market sooner than planned or result in Nikon taking more time on Z8ii?

(Similar to Nikon quickly following up Z6 / Z7s with Z6ii / Z7iis.)

Feel free to post how many months sooner or later for Z8ii. Since only Nikon knows original schedule, only Nikon can say you are wrong. ;-)

Why Poll? For fun discussion and sense of what people think should be outcome.

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Not sure what you're talking about here.

The Z 8 I've been using reliably gives me 1000+ photos per battery and NEVER gets hot.

Photos sure. What about videos?

Along with comparisons between battery life and overheating of Z8 vs. Z9? I don't remember seeing posts about card overheating issues, until Z8 arrived.

batleys · Aug 9, 2023

astirusty said:
Along with comparisons between battery life and overheating of Z8 vs. Z9? I don't remember seeing posts about card overheating issues, until Z8 arrived.

But the Z8 is not a Z9, and I think one would be foolish to expect that. So yes the Z8 is a smaller sibling and so it has less endurance and more limited memory options than the Z9 but that is what you are buying with a Z8 .. if you want a higher spec you get a Z9.

The Z9 had a recall, and I can’t remember there being a big fuss, perhaps because it’s more focussed for professional users where this is not so unusual.. Sure the Z8 has had two service advisories now.. but on a high end device it’s more about how these are handled and dealt with.. not that they happened, I for one prefer to buy from a manufacturer that addresses teething issues, no matter how rare and inconvenient... Perhaps it’s because the Z8 has been adopted more by enthusiasts who are less familiar with high end product recalls? I can only assume it is that given some of the hysteria, and using a new word I learnt from this thread, the sophistry over this is entertaining to read, but is, in my opinion, for many of the arguments, fallacious and lacing pragmatic and common sense perspective.

Who is to say that a future Z9ii or Z8ii also won’t have teething recalls… I’d be surprised if they don’t.

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Droster · Aug 9, 2023

astirusty said:
Karl Huber said:

astirusty said:

Will Z8's short battery life and higher potential to overheat; coupled to lenses not locking (some Z8s) and anchor strap failure recalls drive Nikon to get Z8ii to market sooner than planned or result in Nikon taking more time on Z8ii?

(Similar to Nikon quickly following up Z6 / Z7s with Z6ii / Z7iis.)

Feel free to post how many months sooner or later for Z8ii. Since only Nikon knows original schedule, only Nikon can say you are wrong. ;-)

Why Poll? For fun discussion and sense of what people think should be outcome.

Click to expand...

Not sure what you're talking about here.

The Z 8 I've been using reliably gives me 1000+ photos per battery and NEVER gets hot.

Click to expand...

Photos sure. What about videos?

Along with comparisons between battery life and overheating of Z8 vs. Z9? I don't remember seeing posts about card overheating issues, until Z8 arrived.

Cards overheating is not a "Z8" issue because it also affects the other smaller bodies like my Z6 and Z6ii when my EXASCEND cards run too hot to be used in them even though they run fine in my Z9. Said this since last May and I've kept using my old XQDs exclusively in my Z6 and Z6ii ever since then.

If you swap the cards as a variable and the problem goes away, then the problem isn't really with the Z8. It's the variable that gets switched.

MrHollywood · Aug 9, 2023

The Z8 battery life is no issue for most shooters and a spare battery is not a big deal either.

Other teething problems are being sorted out.

Z8II? Maybe in 2-3 years.

And if you have a Z8 or Z9, what else do you need in a camera body? These are amazing cameras.

Robert

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