Regor250
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I agree, not likely we'll ever see a 67.5mm ... interestingly enough given that it (135mm eq) was once upon a time king of the affordable short telephoto lenses. 120mm and 150mm were odd ducks that were never very popular, fast 85mm THE portrait lens to have , and 105mm the next best portrait lens. I got the 56mm (112mm eq) as a good short tele compromise and have no regrets, it's a great lens to have.Look at your last line above - after talking yourself into a Sigma 60 f2.8, and go buy the 75 f1.8 and stop "figuring" and quit worrying and stewing . Just get it and be happy. "They're" not going to make a 67.5 f1.4, so get it out of your thoughts.Yeah, I had the Sigma 60mm f/2.8 starting with an EPL-1 years back. I got rid of it when I got the Sigma 56mm f/1.4. That was my chief thing, it's almost the same size as the 56/1.4, even if it is a lot lighter...but it is also two stops slower. I might almost consider going back and buying a used one again for backpacking just to shave some weight and give me a bit of useful extra reach past the 45mm my 12-45/4 gets me. I mean, it is still a stop faster and as far I can tell, they are all extremely sharp.Would be nice, I actually went looking around for vintage lenses before I bought the Oly 75/1.8, I think there were some 60 or 65mm Oly SLR lenses that were kinda tempting but after adding an adapter there wasn't much of a size or weight advantage, so the modern lens just made more sense. To give you a sense of what's possible, I'm gonna mention a few FF lenses around that FL (the image circle doesn't seem to impact size/weight nearly as much at these focal lengths as at wider ones).*sigh*. To vent, I really wish someone would come out with a 67.5mm f/2. I guess or an f/1.7 if they really just have to come as close as possible to duplicating a FF 135mm f/3.5. It was one of my favorite walk around mid-telephotos. Just such a useful FL.
I love me my Sigma 56/1.4. And that Olympus 75/1.8 might tick the box even though it is a little longer than 67.5. But the 56 is just a wee bit too short, I suspect the 75 will be a wee bit too long. And frankly both are chunkers. I know, way smaller and lighter than FF. But just packing my new camera bag (which has stretched a fair amount, which is nice), and it isn't just the fact that the 56/1.4 is kind of thick, it is still some hefty weight for backpacking. I know kit is always some kind of compromise. And if I end up with the 40-150/4 to go with my 12-45/4 plus a 7.5/2 probably is the absolute perfect backpacking kit to cover all the things. But I just love me some primes. And I'd imagine with a decent design, a 62.5mm f/2 would probably be 20-30% lighter than the current 56mm and 75mm offerings and maybe 10% smaller. Heck, even rolling at a 62.5mm f/2.2 would be fine to get it a little smaller. That is still a useful 1 2/3 stops faster than an f/4 zoom at considerably less size and weight. And longer enough than a 12-45/4 to be a nice addition for a longer lens.
Dunno. Anyway, I am leaning towards picking up the Olympus 75mm f/1.8 sometime after this trip. I just don't know if it'll be it, or the 40-150/4 as my next lens. Because I think the slightly smaller diameter, even though it is heavier and longer, than the 56/1.4 might make it a better go to for an ultralight weight backpacking setup. 7.5/2, 12-45/4 and 75/1.8. Swap the 75 for the 40-150/4 when weight and space are at slightly less of a premium or when the extra reach is really needed. I am leaning more towards the hike below the rim might just be the 7.5/2, 12-45/4 and 56/1.4.
I did find on my last two trips that if you remove wildlife photos from my last trip, mid tele in the ~56mm range was pretty often used. I checked the FL on the pictures I took with my 40-150/2.8 in Colorado in May and the times I used it for non-wildlife photos, almost 100% of them were between 50-80mm. When I did Oregon last summer, I didn't carry any zooms. I think the break down was that my brand new 9mm f/1.7 got about 40% of the action, then I think it was my 12/2 got about 20%, then my 56/1.4 was about 20%, but just a little less than the 12/2, then my 17/1.8 was around 10%. And then my 45/1.8 and 25/1.4 each had just a few pictures taken with them.
For my 12-45/4 in Colorado that's about what I found too. Pictures taken with it, most were around 12mm with just a few in the 15-45mm range (probably 70% of those taken were at 17mm or less). Though my 9/1.7 got a lot less use in Colorado than in Oregon. Maybe just 20% of the pictures in Colorado were with the 9/1.7. Some really fantastic pictures and I am glad I had it. But less. Other than the 9/1.7 the only other prime I used was my 12/2 for about 6 pictures.
A 67.5mm would have been absolutely perfect in there for just a little more reach, but not a lot more...
C'est la vie. But Panasonic or OM, if you are reading this, could you please consider making one? Heck, Laowa, if you decide to make a longer FL lens, could you consider a dedicated m4/3 67.5mm around f/2? I think I'd seriously consider dealing with a manual focus longer FL lens to have one. For landscape and backpacking, I don't have to deal with fast action, so focus peaking and taking my time would be fine 98% of the time.
Or hell, Sigma if you decide to make M4/3 compatible new lenses again, take note!
Sigma actually makes a FF 65/2 already that's optically excellent and close to the size of the 56/1.4 or 75/1.8, but it's kinda overbuilt (as most of their smaller FF primes are) and weighs in at a hefty 405g, and it's not that much cheaper than the Oly. OTOH their 90/2.8 DN is a little smaller and weighs in at 295g, I don't own an APS-C body and already own a FF short tele but if I ever got a crop body I'd get that FF 90/2.8 right away just to have a tiny 135mm equivalent.
Those are available in E & L mount btw. The 90/2.8 also focuses closer than most. I do have a 775g 135/1.8 (one of the lightest around) & a vintage 325g 135/5.6 (Canon FD, adapted to E)...
Yeah I've come to like the FL, thanks in large part to the Oly 75/1.8. What about if you use cheaper/lighter construction than all these metal clad primes tho? Enter the Samyang 75/1.8 (my FF short tele), it's about the size of the Oly but very plastic and weighs in at 230g rather than 300g, even tho it's still a FF lens that's pretty good optically (sharper and nicer rendering than Sony's larger 85/1.8). So that seems to be the most obvious way to get weigh down, lighter plastic construction.
Well that or making them slower, but yeah, I actually wish someone would make a FF 135/3.5 or even 150/3.5 right now, with AF and modern optics (there's a Batis 135/2.8 but it's kinda overbuilt IMO at 600g, I bet dropping the OIS alone gets it to 500-550g).
The Oly 75/1.8 seems to be super well built tho, I remember reading a teardown of it at LensRentals, and I think the long standing rumor is that Sigma designed it, so they seem to have a knack for these. Sigma's old 60/2.8 was optically excellent as well, it's discontinued now but you should be able to find it cheap used (was like $220 new in M4/3 mount but was sold for several APS-C mounts too), and it weighs only 190g. Felt super right at home on the GM1.
It's not much smaller than the 56/1.4 tho, I used a borrowed Sigma 60/2.8 a buncha times for concerts before I got my Oly 75/1.8 and it was very fun, tho for those purposes the extra speed/reach of the latter is welcome.
For my uses then, 2 stops of extra speed taking up about the same amount of camera bag space, at very close to the same focal length, at even better IQ was worth the cost and extra heft (what, 90g more?). But with more hiking and trying to get into some backpacking, the 60/2.8 might actually be a better choice, just for that use only.
I know I am still going to be left wanting just a tiny bit more speed, and a tiny bit more reach.
John
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