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I know Fuji's AF has 'vastly improved' and probably is 'good enough for me', but I wanted to know how good XT-5's AF is compared to the industry best e.g. Sony? 80% as good? What about X-S20, X-H2 and X-H2S?
 
With long lenses, once you are set up, pretty good seems the answer. With lenses shorter than 50mm not as good and with wide lenses still less than good. There is no way to measure "good enough" to answer your question.
 
Shangri La said:
I know Fuji's AF has 'vastly improved' and probably is 'good enough for me', but I wanted to know how good XT-5's AF is compared to the industry best e.g. Sony? 80% as good? What about X-S20, X-H2 and X-H2S?
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HI, I have found the XT5, with the 16-55, 70-300 and 100-400, to be pretty good. This is with firmware v2. I shoot a lot of polo and here is an example.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67112145

I do, however, advocate understanding the settings, setting the camera up for the type of action and practicing technique. Good AF results come with technology, configuration and practice not solely the technology.

As Andrew says, unless someone has done objective, repeatable and measured tests unlikely anyone can make an accurate comparison. So, we rely on views and many of them do suggest that other makes are ahead in AF-C. I watched a Sony professional bird photographer in East Africa shoot birds in flight (and stationary) with a top Sony camera/lens rig. He was, as one would expect, full of praise for the accuracy and reliability of the system, but he made a strong caveat, only if the settings were correctly applied and one practiced. I just wish I could remind that YT video, but despite searches, I cannot - pity.

So, is the XT5 AF good enough for me? For my polo photography and landscapes when hiking - yes.
 
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
 
I went out on Tuesday with a 33mm and the 10-24. Took 71 pictures and all of them focussed where I wanted.

Alan
 
Morris0 said:
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
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This put a smile on my face this morning, and not much as made me smile in these forums in a good while. Good to see you posting back here again Morris :)
 
I'm not sure what answers you expect to receive on this question?

Just look for some photographers thst shoot in your genres of interest, and check if their galleries meet your standards. If yes, the camera is fit for the job.
 
lol... @Morris can shoot BIF with a pinhole camera. I, as a mere mortal cannot.

The X-T5 has good autofocus. Way better than my X-H1 and X-T2. IMO it has great subject recognition. That said - sometimes the green box will correctly sit right on the bird/bird eye but shots will still be out of focus once in a while.

It is *not* as good as my Sony setup (A1/A9II) 70-200GMII / 200-600

At this point I've come to realize that I love shooting the "character" primes with my Fujis and vastly prefer the X-T controls to other systems so I'm reshuffling my kit.

Already sold the 16-55 and the 50-140 is next because if it moves - for my purposes the Sony is better.

If you want the best Fuji af - I'd go straight to the X-H2S. I've only shot it briefly but it is definitely better than the X-T5 in my hands.
 
Thanks for the input guys. Much appreciated.
 
Morris0 said:
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
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I knew this kind of smart answer would come. Henri Cartier-Bresson can take better photos with a phone camera than I can with a FF system, but that doesn't mean there's no technical differences between phone camera and FF. And it's the gear difference that I'm asking about.

What is so difficult to understand??

And in case you can't remember, this is a gear forum, where people discuss about something called >>>> gear.

Since when gear discussion became complaint?
 
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Shangri La said:
Morris0 said:
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
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I knew this kind of smart answer would come. Henri Cartier-Bresson can take better photos with a phone camera than I can with a FF system, but that doesn't mean there's no technical differences between phone camera and FF. And it's the gear difference that I'm asking about.

What is so difficult to understand??

And in case you can't remember, this is a gear forum, where people discuss about something called >>>> gear.

Since when gear discussion became complaint?
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People believe to be funny with this kind of answer.

Possibly they are so good in taking pictures that they should be inscribed in the "Artist" category.
 
Shangri La said:
  1. Shangri La wrote:
Morris0 said:
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
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Henri Cartier-Bresson can take better photos with a phone camera than I can with a FF system, but that doesn't mean there's no technical differences between phone camera and FF. And it's the gear difference that I'm asking about.

What is so difficult to understand??

And in case you can't remember, this is a gear forum, where people discuss about something called >>>> gear.

Since when gear discussion became complain?
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You asked only about AF, a topic which has been covered in enormous detail already. What’s difficult to understand is why you expect new or different opinions, evidence etc to what has been shared extensively right here. And you must be aware that with the latest generation bodies and firmware, many Fuji shooters are satisfied, or more than satisfied with the results they are able achieve. Those who have experience will maintain Sony is still ahead in absolute AF capability. Nothing new in what I’ve just put. It’s even implied in your question. Can anyone objectively assign a % Vs ‘the very best’? I think not.

However, while AF performance is important to many, though not all photographers, other factors are also very important to overall satisfaction. And many people are also happy with Fuji colours, film simulations, ergonomics, etc. I wouldn’t chose a camera or camera system on AF alone, just like I wouldn’t chose a car on one parameter alone e.g. fuel economy, or outright acceleration.

You asked a question on a much discussed and debated topic and are evidently annoyed at one particular response, in this case from a contributor whose own work demonstrates the results which can be achieved. Many others post images which point to the same, and share how to get the best results for their chosen subjects. And it is quite often mentioned that the skill of the photographer is important. But if lowly amateurs like myself who shoot infrequently can achieve a high percentage of keepers (based on AF performance alone), I would say Fuji AF is quite good enough, also combined with other aspects of the X-T5 which make it enjoyable to use.

Hope you are able to make your choices of equipment on whatever criteria you most value. But remember that the images you take are very much down to how you use it.
 
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Shangri La said:
I know Fuji's AF has 'vastly improved' and probably is 'good enough for me', but I wanted to know how good XT-5's AF is compared to the industry best e.g. Sony? 80% as good? What about X-S20, X-H2 and X-H2S?
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Just simply the Photographer and the Gear itself.

So Yes, this topic has been beaten to Blank, but still mostly not properly answered since far too many trap themselves into the same responses. Things like blaming User Error as opposed to user preference varies greatly.

Personally, I could care less how many pics anyone shows me unless I also know the shooting conditions. Then there is the issue of PP. Everyone isn't privy to the same type of conditions be that bad or good. So no, a gallery alone really won't cut it. Folks don't have to post their many failures. But one can post their far fewer successful shots.

The ability to shoot from certain Vantage Points will make almost any Camera System seem like Magic, even when shooting difficult subjects. So no, this topic is RARELY answered properly.

Bottom-line, all the latest Modern Cameras can be used in Auto or NOT. So it's not just about settings alone. But apparently certain Brands allow one to do either, Out of the Box, while others are apparently still not getting that quite right yet. Whom that might be, I would say camera sales have made that Choice, not Forums.
 
RobRoy22 said:
RobRoy22 said:
  1. Shangri La wrote:
Morris0 said:
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
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Henri Cartier-Bresson can take better photos with a phone camera than I can with a FF system, but that doesn't mean there's no technical differences between phone camera and FF. And it's the gear difference that I'm asking about.

What is so difficult to understand??

And in case you can't remember, this is a gear forum, where people discuss about something called >>>> gear.

Since when gear discussion became complain?
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You asked only about AF, a topic which has been covered in enormous detail already. What’s difficult to understand is why you expect new or different opinions, evidence etc to what has been shared extensively right here. And you must be aware that with the latest generation bodies and firmware, many Fuji shooters are satisfied, or more than satisfied with the results they are able achieve. Those who have experience will maintain Sony is still ahead in absolute AF capability. Nothing new in what I’ve just put. It’s even implied in your question. Can anyone objectively assign a % Vs ‘the very best’? I think not.

However, while AF performance is important to many, though not all photographers, other factors are also very important to overall satisfaction. And many people are also happy with Fuji colours, film simulations, ergonomics, etc. I wouldn’t chose a camera or camera system on AF alone, just like I wouldn’t chose a car on one parameter alone e.g. fuel economy, or outright acceleration.

You asked a question on a much discussed and debated topic and are evidently annoyed at one particular response, in this case from a contributor whose own work demonstrates the results which can be achieved. Many others post images which point to the same, and share how to get the best results for their chosen subjects. And it is quite often mentioned that the skill of the photographer is important. But if lowly amateurs like myself who shoot infrequently can achieve a high percentage of keepers (based on AF performance alone), I would say Fuji AF is quite good enough, also combined with other aspects of the X-T5 which make it enjoyable to use.

Hope you are able to make your choices of equipment on whatever criteria you most value. But remember that the images you take are very much down to how you use it.
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The first page of Fujifilm thread indicates the subject if the the discussion. If anyone is not interested or bored with the argument the easiest way is to scroll ahead not loosing time to reply. Others may be interested and I do not understand why they should not be considered. Isn’t it better to ignore instead of teaching what to do?
 
Shangri La said:
Morris0 said:
LOL, here we go again! The focus is as good as the photographer!

Some focus on the subject, others focus on complaining. Each get's what they want.

Morris
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I knew this kind of smart answer would come. Henri Cartier-Bresson can take better photos with a phone camera than I can with a FF system, but that doesn't mean there's no technical differences between phone camera and FF. And it's the gear difference that I'm asking about.

What is so difficult to understand??

And in case you can't remember, this is a gear forum, where people discuss about something called >>>> gear.

Since when gear discussion became complaint?
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His reply was off-topic, your question is valid, though not easy to answer.
 
I think this topic has been covered a lot. So I will try to cover only what I do and how I feel.

Tend to stick to two subjects 'Street Photography' and lots of trees and water as I live between Netherlands and UK so 'Wet Landscape'

With Street you tend to either zone focus / set focus as a point and wait so Single Focus or Manual. I find that good with the lenses I have. However you also tend to grab fast shots which you have to be fast for also (SO Continuous low bursts and continuous focus. I find it fine on all the above. Especially since latest few firmware updates.

With my wet nature I am either single focus or manual and its slow (I like long exposures etc... so judging focus is not really relevant.

I have compared with Cannon and Nikon and found both OK too. They have a slight edge but nothing to care about unless maybe you are 100% a birder or shoot formula 1 cars.

I'm with Morris on this working at being familiar with your camera will do more for you than any brand of particular camera.
 
Shangri La said:
I know Fuji's AF has 'vastly improved' and probably is 'good enough for me', but I wanted to know how good XT-5's AF is compared to the industry best e.g. Sony? 80% as good? What about X-S20, X-H2 and X-H2S?
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Probably not as good as the others.

Buy the X-H2s if AF performance is your most important factor in purchasing a camera, and you have to use Fuji. The other 200 threads that have been created about the subject will also cover most of this too.

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