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ACR not supporting Fujifilm lenses
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Greybeard2017
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With a random sample of my RAF images the newer cameras (X-S10 and X-H2S) seem to show with the name of the lens while older cameras (X-T2, X-T3, X-T30) show greyed out with "Built-In" for all the fields and the message about "Built-In lens profile applied".
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Thanks! Do you get "Built in" in Make, Model and Profile, with an information tab at the bottom saying that the lens profile has been applied? I don't get this. Will let Adobe know. They are also following this post at the moment to see if anyone comes up with anything helpful.
With a X-T2 and X-T3, i just get what i´ve shown on the first screenshot: "Built-in lens profile applied".
With a X-T5 the Lens Profile fields are populated with the correct info: Fujifilm / correct lens model selected / Camera Settings.
Also, with the original XF 23mm 1.4 the Vignette slider is operational and the Distortion one is greyed out, but with the newer XF 23mm 1.4 WR the Distortion slider is also operational.
With a X-T5 the Lens Profile fields are populated with the correct info: Fujifilm / correct lens model selected / Camera Settings.
Also, with the original XF 23mm 1.4 the Vignette slider is operational and the Distortion one is greyed out, but with the newer XF 23mm 1.4 WR the Distortion slider is also operational.
Okay! A big thanks for everyone showing interest and helping with this matter. After another lengthly time with Adobe and finally actually having someone there with some technical know-how, I have some answers. He apologised for the dismal customer service I got the previous two times.
1. Yes ACR does support Fujifilm lenses. It is automatically applied. So plenty of folk here knew more than Adobe customer service about this!
2. There may be a bug with newer Fujifilm bodies that might mean that the lens profile is not actually being applied. I don't know much more than this. They took after my PC and looked at my Adobe ACR and PS setup. And I sent them a RAW file and they got the same results their end.
So not sure what happens next. They will "look into it". In the meantime I will give the free trial of the DxO plugin a go.
While slow, and not helpful for my Lightroom workflow, the Fujifilm X Raw Studio, using the camera's own internal engine and software, has given the best results so far. Very clean image.
1. Yes ACR does support Fujifilm lenses. It is automatically applied. So plenty of folk here knew more than Adobe customer service about this!
2. There may be a bug with newer Fujifilm bodies that might mean that the lens profile is not actually being applied. I don't know much more than this. They took after my PC and looked at my Adobe ACR and PS setup. And I sent them a RAW file and they got the same results their end.
So not sure what happens next. They will "look into it". In the meantime I will give the free trial of the DxO plugin a go.
While slow, and not helpful for my Lightroom workflow, the Fujifilm X Raw Studio, using the camera's own internal engine and software, has given the best results so far. Very clean image.
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Greybeard2017
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Only get the information tab when the tabs show "Built-In" not when make and model show a specific lens.
I use capture one mainly that read the lens metadata from the image or can use capture one profiles if it has them. But the reason for my post is i sometimes use RFC3 and as far as i can tell RFC3 also uses the metadata and corrects CA etc although wont be identical the the in camera processing and in my experience no raw processor is as no doubt has more accurate proprietary corrections for its jpegs.
RFC seems to do a great job with the fuji rafs and doesnt have a poor raw engine.., no banding that ive ever seen and produces images of high quality. In fact the fuji color rendering that RFC3 gives about as close to fuji jpeg as any raw processor out there including capture one. dxo fuji color isnt although can be pleasing all the same.
RFC3 Demosicing is also fine and does a better job than fuji own jpeg engine as does capture one, dxo, darktable etc and so on.
Its certainly not as powerful or fast as some raw processors or popular even but it does a good job on fuji images.
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I am able to download lots of RAW images for different Fujifilm cameras and lenses from https://www.photographyblog.com/.
Older Fujifilm cameras have the corrections automatically added and you can’t turn them off. (Apologies to Robert1955, you are correct for older Fujiflm cameras.) These have “Built-in” in the Make, Model and Profile section of the Lens Profile and “Built-in lens profile applied” at the bottom. I have checked the automatic chromatic aberration removal for my lens (16-80mm) with these RAW images and it is very good.
Newer Fujifilm cameras have Make: Fujifilm, Model: 16-80mm, Profile: Camera Settings etc. in the Lens Profile.
The automatic corrections can be turned off, unlike before. But the automatic chromatic aberration over-corrects or adds CA. I have attached two images to show the problem using a RAW file I downloaded from www.photographyblog.com.
This is a different lens 16-55mm F2.8 on the same camera as mine (X-H2).
There is slight CA in the uncorrected image. But when automatic CA correction is chosen, the CA gets worse not better.
Older Fujifilm cameras have the corrections automatically added and you can’t turn them off. (Apologies to Robert1955, you are correct for older Fujiflm cameras.) These have “Built-in” in the Make, Model and Profile section of the Lens Profile and “Built-in lens profile applied” at the bottom. I have checked the automatic chromatic aberration removal for my lens (16-80mm) with these RAW images and it is very good.
Newer Fujifilm cameras have Make: Fujifilm, Model: 16-80mm, Profile: Camera Settings etc. in the Lens Profile.
The automatic corrections can be turned off, unlike before. But the automatic chromatic aberration over-corrects or adds CA. I have attached two images to show the problem using a RAW file I downloaded from www.photographyblog.com.
This is a different lens 16-55mm F2.8 on the same camera as mine (X-H2).
There is slight CA in the uncorrected image. But when automatic CA correction is chosen, the CA gets worse not better.
True that everyone's opinions can only be based on their own experiences. I have attached an example of my own experiences with Silkypix Raw File Converter Ex 3.0. The bottom image is RAW file without CA correction. Middle image is RAW file with manual CA correction added. And the top image is the out-of-camera jpg. The RAW file has fringing/banding in high contrast areas, such as around the metal window of the train. The jpg is clean with no fringing or banding.
Cant replicate your issue at all.True that everyone's opinions can only be based on their own experiences. I have attached an example of my own experiences with Silkypix Raw File Converter Ex 3.0. The bottom image is RAW file without CA correction. Middle image is RAW file with manual CA correction added. And the top image is the out-of-camera jpg. The RAW file has fringing/banding in high contrast areas, such as around the metal window of the train. The jpg is clean with no fringing or banding.
RFC3 automatically correcting my images perfectly. This is the default lens correction that RFC applies. no need to even touch it, it does its stuff automatically. This is the 18-55 which is hardly optically perfect but looks great. Link me to a problem raw ill try it.
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No manual correction at all. Dont even touch the lens correction. It seems counter intuitive as the default shows the CA unchecked but that just means its doing it automatically.
If you save a preset, leave the lens correction unsaved and it will automatically correct it when you apply the preset to your images. it makes a great batch processor.
Did some research today, downloading sample RAW files etc, and I think that the 16-80mm struggles at 16mm in regards to CA (and my images are at 16mm), even when stopped down a bit. This is exacerbate or made more obvious if you are using the 40 MPixel X-H2 or X-T5. (I have the X-H2). Also looked at samples from the 16-55mm F2.8 lens and almost no CA at 16mm (even before applying auto correct in ACR). This lens is rated for the new 40 MPixel sensor. The 16-80mm F4 is not. I couldn't find RAW samples of the 18-55 F2.8-4 taken with the X-H2 or X-T5 to compare.
But I think you are right that I have been too harsh about Fujifilm's Raw Converter Ex 3.0, developed by Ichikawa Software. Certainly it is very slow (doesn't use the GPU perhaps?) and not as good as Fujifilm's X Raw Studio using the camera's own RAW engine, but certainly very doable for most needs, as a free option instead of ACR. I would say that while CA correction seems to be implemented automatically, with my lens I still have to try and correct it manually as best as I can. I have the same issues with ACR.
But I think you are right that I have been too harsh about Fujifilm's Raw Converter Ex 3.0, developed by Ichikawa Software. Certainly it is very slow (doesn't use the GPU perhaps?) and not as good as Fujifilm's X Raw Studio using the camera's own RAW engine, but certainly very doable for most needs, as a free option instead of ACR. I would say that while CA correction seems to be implemented automatically, with my lens I still have to try and correct it manually as best as I can. I have the same issues with ACR.
DelnT
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Someone here many moons ago recommended I use Dx0 Photolab 6 instead of Adobe. I find it much better and get better results. Their RAW converter (PureRAW3) and Filmpack are also awesome.
Separate to that using LR Classic I have no problem with Lens Corrections on all my Fuji Lenses (See gear list) Not using ACR though
Separate to that using LR Classic I have no problem with Lens Corrections on all my Fuji Lenses (See gear list) Not using ACR though
Dick Barbour
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Aren't LR and ACR pretty much the same, including lens corrections? I've been using PureRAW for high ISO settings, or sometimes just because it seems to give a better rendering than ACR, at least for Fuji. The lens corrections were excellent, and seemed to be available for any camera/lens combo I was using. So I was surprised this week when I used it for some shots with my new Viltrox 23mm f1.4 on the X-S10, and it wasn't supported. I tried ACR and it was supported, although I had to manually set the lens type to Viltrox, since ACR had it set to the Fuji 23/1.4. The lens info, including the manufacturer, is in the EXIF, so I wonder why Adobe can't use the correct one? In any case it's nice to have it there.
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Didn't realise that Capture One Express is free for Fujifilm. No CA issues at all with my 16-80mm lens at 16mm. Almost as good as using Fujifilm X Raw Studio. So something is not working with the 16-80mm lens and ACR. I also see the same issues with sample RAW files for the lens that I find online. (Will try DxO PureRaw next.)
Lots of people here say they have no problems with ACR, but I am speaking specifically about the 16-80mm lens, with images shot at the wide end. Adobe say there may be a bug but I have no idea if so or when it might get fixed.
Lots of people here say they have no problems with ACR, but I am speaking specifically about the 16-80mm lens, with images shot at the wide end. Adobe say there may be a bug but I have no idea if so or when it might get fixed.
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