trading T3i for Canon SL2, good move?

bridge77 said:

Recently i have been thinking about a Canon SL2 as a good used DSLR to buy. It seems to have almost everything i am looking for, especially the size/weight.

Normally i shoot with my Lumix FZ72 and leave the Canon T3i at home unless i need better ISO or IQ, but that doesn't happen often, usually night shots.

The size of the SL2 interested me as it was more like a Bridge camera than my bulkier DSLR Canons. The used Big Boxes have tons of them that probably got traded in for a Mirrorless camera; this is great for used DSLR's especially the pro cameras that should be falling in price in coming years.

Initially it seemed that the SL1 would be a good small move up the ladder for little coin, and is. But for a little more coin, the SL2 has Digic 7 and a 2017 mintage date. It compares even better than the Canon 7D Mark II in many test sites, although i think the Canon 7D Mark II is more robust and a better camera.

The ISO on this camera beats my T3i quite easily at 25k, so will be fun using it at night. With the size, i might see my Bridge camera sitting on the shelf more, which is largely the purpose of doing this. The bridge camera doesn't have good shots per second at all and the quality is questionable most of the time. But it does make good enuf pictures most of the time.

The SL2 should be better at video, especially with Canon's Dual-pixel phase-detection CMOS AF. Generally i use an old Canon Camcorder for video, but it is just good enuf like the Bridge camera.

The touch screen is going to be highly useful for focusing on any part of the screen. Lately i have been experimenting with Live View on my Bridge camera and is useful for those hard to reach shots. The touch screen is going to make that shooting better with the flip screen and more like a mirrorless camera.

Eventually i wanna move to a mirrorless camera, but as the best DSLR's keep falling in price, i am going to stay, using the Canon lens sitting on my shelf.

Small incremental improvements is my game, if i can spend 100 or so after a trade in, then that is a preference. No worries about ruining an expensive camera, but a change of pace using newer tech for better results.

The are just a few reasons to move to a SL2, any comments are appreciated.

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bridge77 said:

Recently i have been thinking about a Canon SL2 as a good used DSLR to buy. It seems to have almost everything i am looking for, especially the size/weight.

Normally i shoot with my Lumix FZ72 and leave the Canon T3i at home unless i need better ISO or IQ, but that doesn't happen often, usually night shots.

The size of the SL2 interested me as it was more like a Bridge camera than my bulkier DSLR Canons. The used Big Boxes have tons of them that probably got traded in for a Mirrorless camera; this is great for used DSLR's especially the pro cameras that should be falling in price in coming years.

Initially it seemed that the SL1 would be a good small move up the ladder for little coin, and is. But for a little more coin, the SL2 has Digic 7 and a 2017 mintage date. It compares even better than the Canon 7D Mark II in many test sites, although i think the Canon 7D Mark II is more robust and a better camera.

The ISO on this camera beats my T3i quite easily at 25k, so will be fun using it at night. With the size, i might see my Bridge camera sitting on the shelf more, which is largely the purpose of doing this. The bridge camera doesn't have good shots per second at all and the quality is questionable most of the time. But it does make good enuf pictures most of the time.

The SL2 should be better at video, especially with Canon's Dual-pixel phase-detection CMOS AF. Generally i use an old Canon Camcorder for video, but it is just good enuf like the Bridge camera.

The touch screen is going to be highly useful for focusing on any part of the screen. Lately i have been experimenting with Live View on my Bridge camera and is useful for those hard to reach shots. The touch screen is going to make that shooting better with the flip screen and more like a mirrorless camera.

Eventually i wanna move to a mirrorless camera, but as the best DSLR's keep falling in price, i am going to stay, using the Canon lens sitting on my shelf.

Small incremental improvements is my game, if i can spend 100 or so after a trade in, then that is a preference. No worries about ruining an expensive camera, but a change of pace using newer tech for better results.

The are just a few reasons to move to a SL2, any comments are appreciated.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

bridge77 said:

Recently i have been thinking about a Canon SL2 as a good used DSLR to buy. It seems to have almost everything i am looking for, especially the size/weight.

Normally i shoot with my Lumix FZ72 and leave the Canon T3i at home unless i need better ISO or IQ, but that doesn't happen often, usually night shots.

The size of the SL2 interested me as it was more like a Bridge camera than my bulkier DSLR Canons. The used Big Boxes have tons of them that probably got traded in for a Mirrorless camera; this is great for used DSLR's especially the pro cameras that should be falling in price in coming years.

Initially it seemed that the SL1 would be a good small move up the ladder for little coin, and is. But for a little more coin, the SL2 has Digic 7 and a 2017 mintage date. It compares even better than the Canon 7D Mark II in many test sites, although i think the Canon 7D Mark II is more robust and a better camera.

The ISO on this camera beats my T3i quite easily at 25k, so will be fun using it at night. With the size, i might see my Bridge camera sitting on the shelf more, which is largely the purpose of doing this. The bridge camera doesn't have good shots per second at all and the quality is questionable most of the time. But it does make good enuf pictures most of the time.

The SL2 should be better at video, especially with Canon's Dual-pixel phase-detection CMOS AF. Generally i use an old Canon Camcorder for video, but it is just good enuf like the Bridge camera.

The touch screen is going to be highly useful for focusing on any part of the screen. Lately i have been experimenting with Live View on my Bridge camera and is useful for those hard to reach shots. The touch screen is going to make that shooting better with the flip screen and more like a mirrorless camera.

Eventually i wanna move to a mirrorless camera, but as the best DSLR's keep falling in price, i am going to stay, using the Canon lens sitting on my shelf.

Small incremental improvements is my game, if i can spend 100 or so after a trade in, then that is a preference. No worries about ruining an expensive camera, but a change of pace using newer tech for better results.

The are just a few reasons to move to a SL2, any comments are appreciated.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

It should be a nice improvement over the 600D/T3i. Better sensor and processor and improved ISO will all help. The number of focus points remains the same, but you still should see an improvement in AF speed.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

There's a definite speed difference between the AF in my 600D versus my 700D. The focus time is a lot faster with the 700D. Which is noticeable when using Canon STM lenses. Dual Pixel AF for video will be a nice addition too.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

Touchscreen may seem nice, but I turn mine off, it becomes annoying when using the viewfinder and massing yah nose against the screen.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

I'm a long-time user of Fuji bridge cameras and always liked the all in one style of camera. Sure, it has its drawbacks, but I've enjoyed using them.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

To that end I recently bought a Sigma 18-250 Telephoto lens for my 700D so my rig is now pretty much the same as my bridge camera. It means no more lens swaps, carting around a bag full of lenses, and the Sigma is a good enough quality lens to cover 95 percent of everything I do. The exception being Macro, that's where my Fuji wins hands down. It's an excellent Macro camera. The only real downside is the 700D with the Sigma is its about 25% heavier than the Fuji and a bit bigger physically.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

The SL2 came out in 2017 so any of the STM and Mark III lenses produced from around 2015 should work without issue. If you can pickup the SL2 for a modest price go for it, it will be better than the 600D.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

Don't be fooled by the price trends for DSLR's either. They may be cheaper at the moment but I'm already seeing an upward trend in pricing as more models are discontinued, that includes the availability of new lenses. I'm seeing 600D's going for nearly double what they were 12 months ago and its worse for later models. I've done some recent articles about this on my blog as well if you are interested.

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Ralph McKenzie said:

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Fuji HS20EXR, Canon 700D, EF-S 18 - 55 mm

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ThrillaMozilla said:

It's a beautiful little camera. You're not expecting 2023 technology, so I would say go for it.

You'll get a much better sensor than in what you have. You mentioned night time photography. It should be pretty good, but don't expect miracles. More recent cameras can give slightly better performance. For low light, it is probably a little better than the Sony A6000 and not quite as good as the Sony A6100, for example.

The focusing array in the viewfinder is a little sparse, and limited to the central area, so it's not up to current standards for action photography. For static subjects, focusing on the foldout screen is a little more versatile.

What you get is a small, and light camera that will take first-rate pictures and is a delight to use. The simplicity is liberating. I almost want to go out and buy one myself.

EDIT: If you want to go up a little in capabilities, the M50 Mark II is also a delightful, small mirrorless camera that can use all the same EF and EF-S lenses, plus a few others. I think it has the same sensor as the SL2, or very similar. I gave one to my daughter, but would love to have one myself.

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bridge77 said:

ThrillaMozilla said:

It's a beautiful little camera. You're not expecting 2023 technology, so I would say go for it.

You'll get a much better sensor than in what you have. You mentioned night time photography. It should be pretty good, but don't expect miracles. More recent cameras can give slightly better performance. For low light, it is probably a little better than the Sony A6000 and not quite as good as the Sony A6100, for example.

The focusing array in the viewfinder is a little sparse, and limited to the central area, so it's not up to current standards for action photography. For static subjects, focusing on the foldout screen is a little more versatile.

What you get is a small, and light camera that will take first-rate pictures and is a delight to use. The simplicity is liberating. I almost want to go out and buy one myself.

EDIT: If you want to go up a little in capabilities, the M50 Mark II is also a delightful, small mirrorless camera that can use all the same EF and EF-S lenses, plus a few others. I think it has the same sensor as the SL2, or very similar. I gave one to my daughter, but would love to have one myself.

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thanks, been too busy to mess with the trade in; it probably is the best canon for a small amount of cash to move into.

seems that the used market is loaded too, complete with dirt cheap prices.

i like the Bridge camera size, as that is what i mostly shoot with now. DSLR's are ok, but the size at times is more than i wanna fool with. if i had to do it over, maybe 4/3 cameras would be a better choice; just don't want to go thru the lens accumulation stage for that.

the M50 was on the list and may still be there in coming years.

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MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

ThrillaMozilla said:

It's a beautiful little camera. You're not expecting 2023 technology, so I would say go for it.

You'll get a much better sensor than in what you have. You mentioned night time photography. It should be pretty good, but don't expect miracles. More recent cameras can give slightly better performance. For low light, it is probably a little better than the Sony A6000 and not quite as good as the Sony A6100, for example.

The focusing array in the viewfinder is a little sparse, and limited to the central area, so it's not up to current standards for action photography. For static subjects, focusing on the foldout screen is a little more versatile.

What you get is a small, and light camera that will take first-rate pictures and is a delight to use. The simplicity is liberating. I almost want to go out and buy one myself.

EDIT: If you want to go up a little in capabilities, the M50 Mark II is also a delightful, small mirrorless camera that can use all the same EF and EF-S lenses, plus a few others. I think it has the same sensor as the SL2, or very similar. I gave one to my daughter, but would love to have one myself.

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thanks, been too busy to mess with the trade in; it probably is the best canon for a small amount of cash to move into.

seems that the used market is loaded too, complete with dirt cheap prices.

i like the Bridge camera size, as that is what i mostly shoot with now. DSLR's are ok, but the size at times is more than i wanna fool with. if i had to do it over, maybe 4/3 cameras would be a better choice; just don't want to go thru the lens accumulation stage for that.

the M50 was on the list and may still be there in coming years.

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I used the SL2 for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it. Going to it from a T3i will be a major upgrade.

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bridge77 said:

MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

ThrillaMozilla said:

It's a beautiful little camera. You're not expecting 2023 technology, so I would say go for it.

You'll get a much better sensor than in what you have. You mentioned night time photography. It should be pretty good, but don't expect miracles. More recent cameras can give slightly better performance. For low light, it is probably a little better than the Sony A6000 and not quite as good as the Sony A6100, for example.

The focusing array in the viewfinder is a little sparse, and limited to the central area, so it's not up to current standards for action photography. For static subjects, focusing on the foldout screen is a little more versatile.

What you get is a small, and light camera that will take first-rate pictures and is a delight to use. The simplicity is liberating. I almost want to go out and buy one myself.

EDIT: If you want to go up a little in capabilities, the M50 Mark II is also a delightful, small mirrorless camera that can use all the same EF and EF-S lenses, plus a few others. I think it has the same sensor as the SL2, or very similar. I gave one to my daughter, but would love to have one myself.

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thanks, been too busy to mess with the trade in; it probably is the best canon for a small amount of cash to move into.

seems that the used market is loaded too, complete with dirt cheap prices.

i like the Bridge camera size, as that is what i mostly shoot with now. DSLR's are ok, but the size at times is more than i wanna fool with. if i had to do it over, maybe 4/3 cameras would be a better choice; just don't want to go thru the lens accumulation stage for that.

the M50 was on the list and may still be there in coming years.

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I used the SL2 for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it. Going to it from a T3i will be a major upgrade.

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thanks, i have been in my T3i ghetto for too long. it is bigger than i want to carry, so normally i carry a 'not too good' bridge camera, which has worse IQ than the T3i.

so i justify it by saying, all i want is the shot LOL.

and i think the mirrorless cameras that are small are a Giant Step in the right direction for those who don't wanna Lug the Big Pro Cameras.

Big Daddy cameras are fine for some situations, but for everyday cameras, really most of us aren't Legendary Photographers and shouldn't pretend that we are. well at least i shouldn't :-O

so in the end the SL2 buys convenience/size and better IQ.

Edit, i also like the idea of sticking with EF and EFs lens, which are more than good enuf for the 99% for 100% of the time.

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MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

ThrillaMozilla said:

It's a beautiful little camera. You're not expecting 2023 technology, so I would say go for it.

You'll get a much better sensor than in what you have. You mentioned night time photography. It should be pretty good, but don't expect miracles. More recent cameras can give slightly better performance. For low light, it is probably a little better than the Sony A6000 and not quite as good as the Sony A6100, for example.

The focusing array in the viewfinder is a little sparse, and limited to the central area, so it's not up to current standards for action photography. For static subjects, focusing on the foldout screen is a little more versatile.

What you get is a small, and light camera that will take first-rate pictures and is a delight to use. The simplicity is liberating. I almost want to go out and buy one myself.

EDIT: If you want to go up a little in capabilities, the M50 Mark II is also a delightful, small mirrorless camera that can use all the same EF and EF-S lenses, plus a few others. I think it has the same sensor as the SL2, or very similar. I gave one to my daughter, but would love to have one myself.

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thanks, been too busy to mess with the trade in; it probably is the best canon for a small amount of cash to move into.

seems that the used market is loaded too, complete with dirt cheap prices.

i like the Bridge camera size, as that is what i mostly shoot with now. DSLR's are ok, but the size at times is more than i wanna fool with. if i had to do it over, maybe 4/3 cameras would be a better choice; just don't want to go thru the lens accumulation stage for that.

the M50 was on the list and may still be there in coming years.

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I used the SL2 for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it. Going to it from a T3i will be a major upgrade.

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thanks, i have been in my T3i ghetto for too long. it is bigger than i want to carry, so normally i carry a 'not too good' bridge camera, which has worse IQ than the T3i.

so i justify it by saying, all i want is the shot LOL.

and i think the mirrorless cameras that are small are a Giant Step in the right direction for those who don't wanna Lug the Big Pro Cameras.

Big Daddy cameras are fine for some situations, but for everyday cameras, really most of us aren't Legendary Photographers and shouldn't pretend that we are. well at least i shouldn't :-O

so in the end the SL2 buys convenience/size and better IQ.

Edit, i also like the idea of sticking with EF and EFs lens, which are more than good enuf for the 99% for 100% of the time.

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Unless you need more capable AF and fast frame rates that the R APS-C cameras deliver, the SL2 will serve you very well. I bought mine as a stop gap camera because I knew the M system was dying and did want to throw more money in that direction. That stop gap camera ended up serving me very well for at least five years. It is as small and lightweight as any of the R APS-C cameras. I have nothing bad to say about the SL2 because it far exceeded my expectations.

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bridge77 said:

the M system cameras were another consideration, but i felt it best to just stick with the EF lens, so the SL-2 is winning out in the end.

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bridge77 said:

i thing Canon is making a mistake abandoning it's lower end line of M cameras; they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on. Canon is still selling refurb M cameras at their web site. eventually i would like one, but the old stuff is still excellent to me.

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bridge77 said:

MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

ThrillaMozilla said:

It's a beautiful little camera. You're not expecting 2023 technology, so I would say go for it.

You'll get a much better sensor than in what you have. You mentioned night time photography. It should be pretty good, but don't expect miracles. More recent cameras can give slightly better performance. For low light, it is probably a little better than the Sony A6000 and not quite as good as the Sony A6100, for example.

The focusing array in the viewfinder is a little sparse, and limited to the central area, so it's not up to current standards for action photography. For static subjects, focusing on the foldout screen is a little more versatile.

What you get is a small, and light camera that will take first-rate pictures and is a delight to use. The simplicity is liberating. I almost want to go out and buy one myself.

EDIT: If you want to go up a little in capabilities, the M50 Mark II is also a delightful, small mirrorless camera that can use all the same EF and EF-S lenses, plus a few others. I think it has the same sensor as the SL2, or very similar. I gave one to my daughter, but would love to have one myself.

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thanks, been too busy to mess with the trade in; it probably is the best canon for a small amount of cash to move into.

seems that the used market is loaded too, complete with dirt cheap prices.

i like the Bridge camera size, as that is what i mostly shoot with now. DSLR's are ok, but the size at times is more than i wanna fool with. if i had to do it over, maybe 4/3 cameras would be a better choice; just don't want to go thru the lens accumulation stage for that.

the M50 was on the list and may still be there in coming years.

Click to expand...

I used the SL2 for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it. Going to it from a T3i will be a major upgrade.

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thanks, i have been in my T3i ghetto for too long. it is bigger than i want to carry, so normally i carry a 'not too good' bridge camera, which has worse IQ than the T3i.

so i justify it by saying, all i want is the shot LOL.

and i think the mirrorless cameras that are small are a Giant Step in the right direction for those who don't wanna Lug the Big Pro Cameras.

Big Daddy cameras are fine for some situations, but for everyday cameras, really most of us aren't Legendary Photographers and shouldn't pretend that we are. well at least i shouldn't :-O

so in the end the SL2 buys convenience/size and better IQ.

Edit, i also like the idea of sticking with EF and EFs lens, which are more than good enuf for the 99% for 100% of the time.

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Unless you need more capable AF and fast frame rates that the R APS-C cameras deliver, the SL2 will serve you very well. I bought mine as a stop gap camera because I knew the M system was dying and did want to throw more money in that direction. That stop gap camera ended up serving me very well for at least five years. It is as small and lightweight as any of the R APS-C cameras. I have nothing bad to say about the SL2 because it far exceeded my expectations.

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the M system cameras were another consideration, but i felt it best to just stick with the EF lens, so the SL-2 is winning out in the end.

i thing Canon is making a mistake abandoning it's lower end line of M cameras; they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on. Canon is still selling refurb M cameras at their web site. eventually i would like one, but the old stuff is still excellent to me.

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ThrillaMozilla said:

bridge77 said:

the M system cameras were another consideration, but i felt it best to just stick with the EF lens, so the SL-2 is winning out in the end.

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There's absolutely no reason you can't use EF or EF-S lenses with the M cameras. They work perfectly with the Canon adapter.

The sole exception is that the M6II has an unusually aggressive shutter that shakes the IS mechanisms of some lenses at certain shutter speeds. (But the M50II, for example, has a nice, gentle shutter.)

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ThrillaMozilla said:

ThrillaMozilla said:

i thing Canon is making a mistake abandoning it's lower end line of M cameras; they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on. Canon is still selling refurb M cameras at their web site. eventually i would like one, but the old stuff is still excellent to me.

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bridge77 said:

they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on.

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Lisa Horton said:

bridge77 said:

they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on.

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They do. The R100 and R50 are the lower Rebel replacements, some argue that the R10 is the higher Rebel replacement.

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bridge77 said:

Lisa Horton said:

bridge77 said:

they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on.

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They do. The R100 and R50 are the lower Rebel replacements, some argue that the R10 is the higher Rebel replacement.

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your Right, caught me sleeping on the job.

B&H has the R100 for $479.........good move Canon. i thought they were abandoning the Rebel end of the camera world.

hmm, this changes Everything IMHO.

this may also put pressure on the used & refurbished market which is where i hang. Canon may put some deals up for the holidays on these new to me birdz.

well got something to check out for this weekend: a real pleasant rude awakening.

Edit, Peta Pixal did a video review and thinks there are much better choices including Canon's M camera for the variety of lens

the SL-2 is good enuf for now, but a mirrorless eventually will be my trade up camera.

thanks.

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bridge77 said:

Lisa Horton said:

bridge77 said:

they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on.

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They do. The R100 and R50 are the lower Rebel replacements, some argue that the R10 is the higher Rebel replacement.

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your Right, caught me sleeping on the job.

B&H has the R100 for $479.........good move Canon. i thought they were abandoning the Rebel end of the camera world.

hmm, this changes Everything IMHO.

this may also put pressure on the used & refurbished market which is where i hang. Canon may put some deals up for the holidays on these new to me birdz.

well got something to check out for this weekend: a real pleasant rude awakening.

Edit, Peta Pixal did a video review and thinks there are much better choices including Canon's M camera for the variety of lens

the SL-2 is good enuf for now, but a mirrorless eventually will be my trade up camera.

thanks.

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MikeJ9116 said:

bridge77 said:

Lisa Horton said:

bridge77 said:

they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on.

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They do. The R100 and R50 are the lower Rebel replacements, some argue that the R10 is the higher Rebel replacement.

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your Right, caught me sleeping on the job.

B&H has the R100 for $479.........good move Canon. i thought they were abandoning the Rebel end of the camera world.

hmm, this changes Everything IMHO.

this may also put pressure on the used & refurbished market which is where i hang. Canon may put some deals up for the holidays on these new to me birdz.

well got something to check out for this weekend: a real pleasant rude awakening.

Edit, Peta Pixal did a video review and thinks there are much better choices including Canon's M camera for the variety of lens

the SL-2 is good enuf for now, but a mirrorless eventually will be my trade up camera.

thanks.

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The M50 will be on sale refurbished soon at very good prices. I would stay away from the M100 due to its poor specs.

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Lisa Horton said:

bridge77 said:

Lisa Horton said:

bridge77 said:

they should have entry level mirrorless cameras like the Rebel line many of us cut our teeth on.

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They do. The R100 and R50 are the lower Rebel replacements, some argue that the R10 is the higher Rebel replacement.

Click to expand...

your Right, caught me sleeping on the job.

B&H has the R100 for $479.........good move Canon. i thought they were abandoning the Rebel end of the camera world.

hmm, this changes Everything IMHO.

this may also put pressure on the used & refurbished market which is where i hang. Canon may put some deals up for the holidays on these new to me birdz.

well got something to check out for this weekend: a real pleasant rude awakening.

Edit, Peta Pixal did a video review and thinks there are much better choices including Canon's M camera for the variety of lens

the SL-2 is good enuf for now, but a mirrorless eventually will be my trade up camera.

thanks.

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The M system has some good things about it, but it's a dead system now. I would question the wisdom of starting with the M system at this point in time.

When it comes to lenses, EF lenses with the adapter seem to generally work better than they did on DSLRs. When I replaced my SL2 with the R10, I didn't buy any new lenses but I instantly got way more in-focus shots. I did later get the RF 100-400 but I'm still keeping the EF-S 55-250STM
I'm a Rebel die hard. I've owned a Rebel continuously since around 1996. The new crop factor R cameras give me everything that I loved about my SL2, but better. And so much more that's new.

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