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yogi4fitness said:
JimKasson said:
A Leica Q system is a great GFX accessory. I have a Q2M. Greg has a Q2. My only major complaint about the Q is that the lenses are shorter than what I'd like. I'd prefer a 35mm lens.
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yup 35mm is a more preferred focal length compared to the 28mm which from what i read online is closer to 24mm.
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What’s the focal length of the Leica Q2 lens? - the last word

This is the 18th post in a series about the Leica Q2 Monochrom. You can see all the other posts in the series by looking in the Category List drop-down menu on the right side of the page. I was asked to calculate the focal length of the lens in the Q2. I don't have
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I had a M9 and then a Leica Q.I really liked the Q design including user interface. But now after I got a 907X with the 45mmP I stopped using the Q and finally got rid of this camera as I think that a 26mm lens is too wide for a general lens but if one is looking for a camera with that focal length it should be quite complementary to medium format. I found that video comparing M11 to Q3

A interesting feature of The Q3 (and M11) is pixel binning with reduced resolution but increased DF. I am not quite understanding how that is done considering the Bayer pattern with each pixel surrounded by a different color pixel. I would find it quite useful if that could be implemented on 100Mp medium format sensors having the option of even higher DR or higher resolution.
 
Pd printer said:
I had a M9 and then a Leica Q.I really liked the Q design including user interface. But now after I got a 907X with the 45mmP I stopped using the Q and finally got rid of this camera as I think that a 26mm lens is too wide for a general lens but if one is looking for a camera with that focal length it should be quite complementary to medium format. I found that video comparing M11 to Q3
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One should consider that the most "popular" focal length is 26mm to 28mm (iPhone standard lens).
Pd printer said:
A interesting feature of The Q3 (and M11) is pixel binning with reduced resolution but increased DF. I am not quite understanding how that is done considering the Bayer pattern with each pixel surrounded by a different color pixel. I would find it quite useful if that could be implemented on 100Mp medium format sensors having the option of even higher DR or higher resolution.
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Neither Q3 nor M11 uses pixel binning to generate raw files with reduced resolution. It is done in firmware. The DR of reduced-resolution raw files is the same as that of the full-resolution raw files (looking at the same output size).
 
I use my Leica M10P (have various lenses) as companion to my Fuji 100 and 100S.

Currently on a road trip and took the M10P plus my 35-lux as Leica kit.

It does complement the Fuji.

On the Fuji side, I took the 35-70 and 43mm with me. Most of the time when outdoors the zoom is on.

On a previous trip, when traveling by car, I added the 23, 80 and 120mm on the Fuji side.

What I miss on the Leica side is IBIS. So when I know I am getting into low light conditions, its only one option - the Fuji. I can see how a Q2 or Q3 is an alternative to a Leica M.
 
Thanks all for the great discussion and insight.

Hard decision to take as it involves a lot of money. I do find that I rather simplify my system a bit instead of having too much gear. Having a lot, makes me what to take all, afraid I might loose out on a shot. In reality I then return with most equipment unused.

I would more creative if I just take 2 smallish camera’s each with a prime lens. In that case I can easily take my gear everywhere and just shoot with what I have.

Did a day trip to Amsterdam last week and just took my “old” Ricoh GRiii and my Canon R5 with huge 28-70 2.0 lens. Canon stayed in my backpack and I’ve just been happily shooting with the Ricoh that was in my pocket.

So I am seriously considering the Q3 now even though less portable than the Ricoh.

On a separate note has anyone used the Hasselblad X2D with a XCD 55mm f2.5 or XCD 38mm for general street photography and/or hiking? (Jim???) On the pictures it looks a pretty compact system as the lenses are much smaller than what I have on my GFX and Canon. Any reason why people would choose the Q3 over the X2D other than price?

Again many thanks for your insights and valuable opinions.

Kim
 
Kim van Heuven said:
On a separate note has anyone used the Hasselblad X2D with a XCD 55mm f2.5 or XCD 38mm for general street photography and/or hiking? (Jim???)
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Unfortunately, street work and hiking are out for me now.
Kim van Heuven said:
On the pictures it looks a pretty compact system as the lenses are much smaller than what I have on my GFX and Canon. Any reason why people would choose the Q3 over the X2D other than price?
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Autofocus. I'm assuming there will be a monochrome version, too.
 
SrMi said:
Manzur Fahim said:
It is actually quite common I think, to have a Leica Q2 as a companion to GFX 100/S. I have seen many photographers with these two cameras and they are quite happy. Q2 delivers nice results, I'm sure Q3 will do better.

I wonder, if anyone uses a Sony RX1R II along with a GFX 100/S?
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Here is one comparison of Rx1rII vs. Q2, but I would think that one should consider Q3 instead of Q2.

https://keithwee.com/2019/05/12/a-24-hour-fling-with-the-sony-rx1r-ii-comparisons-with-the-leica-q2/
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Nice review. Now I really want an RX1R3 with the same 60mp sensor. I think with the stellar rendering of the 35/2 Zeiss and Sony’s 60mp sensor it would be hard to beat for pure IQ.



Sony are you listening? When is the version 3 coming out 🙂
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I dislike the pop-up EVF on RX100 and assume that the pop-up EVF of RX1rII would irritate me as well.
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yogi4fitness said:
SrMi said:
Manzur Fahim said:
It is actually quite common I think, to have a Leica Q2 as a companion to GFX 100/S. I have seen many photographers with these two cameras and they are quite happy. Q2 delivers nice results, I'm sure Q3 will do better.

I wonder, if anyone uses a Sony RX1R II along with a GFX 100/S?
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Here is one comparison of Rx1rII vs. Q2, but I would think that one should consider Q3 instead of Q2.

https://keithwee.com/2019/05/12/a-24-hour-fling-with-the-sony-rx1r-ii-comparisons-with-the-leica-q2/
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Nice review. Now I really want an RX1R3 with the same 60mp sensor. I think with the stellar rendering of the 35/2 Zeiss and Sony’s 60mp sensor it would be hard to beat for pure IQ.

Sony are you listening? When is the version 3 coming out 🙂
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Given the advances in optics design and fabrication over the past 10+ years, perhaps a version with a 2-3x wide to normal zoom?
 
Erik Kaffehr said:
RodandEva said:
I have a 100s with several lenses and was looking for a light weight travel option. I considered the Q2 (heavily), but was concerned about the single lens being too limiting. I opted for the XT5, which can be used with a small prime or assortment of other nicer zooms and primes (more versatile and has same battery as 100s). The Q3 with 60mpxs is very tempting, but ultimately same issue for me.

I find the XT5 image quality to be very good, but well short of the 100s. Not sure how it compares to the Q2/Q3, but suspect that it will hold its own.

good luck in your decision.

Rod
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Hi,

Resolution follow megapixels while signal/noise depends on sensor surface.

The 100S has a much larger sensor so there will be less noise at 'same exposure'.

The XT5 has a new generation sensor, probably from Sony, and it also has X-trans.

The lens can be a major component in image quality. All lenses are not created equal.

So, it is a complex issue.

Best regards

Erik
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I'm using my Q2 more than the GFX100S or X-T5 these days.

Really nice camera to use.
 
You could PM Chris. After getting the Q2 (as so many of us have) he liked it so much that he switched to all Leica gear. Don't so that, but you should get a Q2 or the new Q3 if you can afford that luxury. It is the absolute perfect complement to GFX shooting.

I'm on the waiting list for the Q3.

Bottom line .... I know 20 GFX shooters who love having that Q2 in the bag, or just going out and shooting the Q2 with nothing else while the GFX gear gets a rest at home or back in the hotel room for a few hours.

Go to any other Board. Q2/3 owners almost all own other top-end gear with lenses.... The top-end Nikon, Canon and Sony guys? A whole bunch of the have the Q2/3 for that reason.

Sure, there are a few rich non-photographers or very occasional shooters who have a Q2/Q3 to use as mostly jewelry on their trips. But most Q2/3 owners are photographers with lots of other very expensive gear from other brands.

The Q2/3 is the perfect complement to our big GFX gear.
 
JimKasson said:
yogi4fitness said:
JimKasson said:
A Leica Q system is a great GFX accessory. I have a Q2M. Greg has a Q2. My only major complaint about the Q is that the lenses are shorter than what I'd like. I'd prefer a 35mm lens.
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yup 35mm is a more preferred focal length compared to the 28mm which from what i read online is closer to 24mm.
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https://blog.kasson.com/leica-q2-monochrom/whats-the-focal-length-of-the-leica-q2-lens/
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Jim, I used your name on the Leica Board yesterday when guys were trying to figure out what the 28 really was pre-correction. it's 26 right?
 
Greg7579 said:
JimKasson said:
yogi4fitness said:
JimKasson said:
A Leica Q system is a great GFX accessory. I have a Q2M. Greg has a Q2. My only major complaint about the Q is that the lenses are shorter than what I'd like. I'd prefer a 35mm lens.
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yup 35mm is a more preferred focal length compared to the 28mm which from what i read online is closer to 24mm.
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https://blog.kasson.com/leica-q2-monochrom/whats-the-focal-length-of-the-leica-q2-lens/
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Jim, I used your name on the Leica Board yesterday when guys were trying to figure out what the 28 really was pre-correction. it's 26 right?
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26.2mm was the calculation - see here.
 
Greg7579 said:
JimKasson said:
yogi4fitness said:
JimKasson said:
A Leica Q system is a great GFX accessory. I have a Q2M. Greg has a Q2. My only major complaint about the Q is that the lenses are shorter than what I'd like. I'd prefer a 35mm lens.
Click to expand...
yup 35mm is a more preferred focal length compared to the 28mm which from what i read online is closer to 24mm.
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https://blog.kasson.com/leica-q2-monochrom/whats-the-focal-length-of-the-leica-q2-lens/
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Jim, I used your name on the Leica Board yesterday when guys were trying to figure out what the 28 really was pre-correction. it's 26 right?
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Right.
 
Kim van Heuven said:
Dear all,

I have a Fuji GFX100 with multiple lenses and love the quality of the pictures. I've also tried the Canon R5 with some of their good RF lenses (15-35 2.8, 28-70 2.0, 70-200 2.8)

Although I find it fantastic gear when going on dedicated "trips" for photography, I do often find it too inconvenient to take this large gear with me on city trips or general walk around. I often just leave my gear at home and take snaps with my iPhone.

Curious if other have similar experiences? I wonder if I'd buy a Leica Q3 or maybe M11 I just can take that camera with me outside of dedicated photography sessions.

Having only 1 or maybe 2 lenses with me forces me to be more creative and walk more than having multiple zoom lenses in my bag.

Has anyone compared the pictures of GFX100 / Canon R5 with the Leica Q3 / Leica M11 and used those systems side by side?

Would be curious to hear your experience with the Leica compared to Fuji/Canon and perhaps even elaborate on the AF (Q3) vs MF (M11).

Many thanks for your feedback

Kim
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The M11 and Q3 share the same base sensor as the GFX 100/100S, but they will have a Leica-specific microlens array and thinner cover glass tuned to either M lenses (M11) or the fixed lens (Q3). I don't think you could find a better cross-brand pairing right now. The M11 and Q3 allow you to get near-GFX 100 IQ in a package that doesn't make you look like an old-school tourist carrying a giant camera around.

I find the Q cameras much more suitable for casual travel than the M11. I prefer having autofocus, the ability to shoot macro/close distance, and the lighter weight. The M11 is also a money pit. You will find yourself $20K deep in less than a year because you won't be able to resist buying multiple Leica M lenses.

One last point that for me makes the Q3 a win over the M11 is to avoid the frustration involved with M lens calibration to the rangefinder, not to mention front or back focus issues inherent to some M lens designs. You need patience to own an M system. And you need to be ok with a 6-month or longer repair time should something go wrong. Yes, you read that right. Six months.
 
highdesertmesa said:
Kim van Heuven said:
Dear all,

I have a Fuji GFX100 with multiple lenses and love the quality of the pictures. I've also tried the Canon R5 with some of their good RF lenses (15-35 2.8, 28-70 2.0, 70-200 2.8)

Although I find it fantastic gear when going on dedicated "trips" for photography, I do often find it too inconvenient to take this large gear with me on city trips or general walk around. I often just leave my gear at home and take snaps with my iPhone.

Curious if other have similar experiences? I wonder if I'd buy a Leica Q3 or maybe M11 I just can take that camera with me outside of dedicated photography sessions.

Having only 1 or maybe 2 lenses with me forces me to be more creative and walk more than having multiple zoom lenses in my bag.

Has anyone compared the pictures of GFX100 / Canon R5 with the Leica Q3 / Leica M11 and used those systems side by side?

Would be curious to hear your experience with the Leica compared to Fuji/Canon and perhaps even elaborate on the AF (Q3) vs MF (M11).

Many thanks for your feedback

Kim
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The M11 and Q3 share the same base sensor as the GFX 100/100S, but they will have a Leica-specific microlens array and thinner cover glass tuned to either M lenses (M11) or the fixed lens (Q3). I don't think you could find a better cross-brand pairing right now. The M11 and Q3 allow you to get near-GFX 100 IQ in a package that doesn't make you look like an old-school tourist carrying a giant camera around.

I find the Q cameras much more suitable for casual travel than the M11. I prefer having autofocus, the ability to shoot macro/close distance, and the lighter weight. The M11 is also a money pit. You will find yourself $20K deep in less than a year because you won't be able to resist buying multiple Leica M lenses.

One last point that for me makes the Q3 a win over the M11 is to avoid the frustration involved with M lens calibration to the rangefinder, not to mention front or back focus issues inherent to some M lens designs. You need patience to own an M system. And you need to be ok with a 6-month or longer repair time should something go wrong. Yes, you read that right. Six months.
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Man ... that M11 sounds unattractive to me, but I know people who love them. That repair time is incredible. I didn't know that about calibrating the lenses to the rangefinder. That sounds really bad. And the lens addiction? That would get me for sure if I went M11.

I like your comment about looking like an old school tourist lugging around a big camera! LOL. That's me, except I hope I look cooler than that! Haha.

I will say this though. I can spot a Q2 or anyone shooting GFX a long way away, and when I see that I know I'm looking at a photographer. That is not always true with the Q2, but usually is. There are a few Q2 jewelry wearers out there in the wild.
 
I was thinking what a great complement the Q3 would be to the GF system. But at the the last minute I changed my mind and ordered a Z9. True story. :)
 
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