Do you use Blinkies.

I have never bothered to use them, am I missing something useful, or are they an unnecessary gimmick? Utube photo videos never mention them, I wonder why? I would like to hear your views on the subject.
I use the Olympus Highlight/Shadow indicators nearly all of the time when shooting landscape or harsh lighting (concerts, outdoor portraits). I prefer them to the histogram for two reasons; they don't obscure the image, and they show where the highligths or shadows are blown/crushed.

They also give a quick indication of whether my dynamic range is stressed. Especially if I have both at the same time. A quick spin of the EC dial will easily show this. And this lets me decide if I need to bracket or not. I can use the indicators to set where my midpoint of the bracketing sequence should be.

Personally, I don't understand the approach of shooting first and checking for blown highlights later. That's what we had to do with DSLRs, but mirrorless can show this in live view. In fact, I find it so critical to my workflow that I created a custom picture style for my Nikon Z cameras to mimic live view blinkies (since Nikon didn't see fit to put it in).

It's easy to disable; I have it on two of the four image display modes. But it's so helpful at assessing proper exposure, I rarely do so.
 
Histogram is useful too. Before zebra, it was also the only tool in real time to give us information on the lightness condition of the setting in used.

However, it has a draw back of providing statistical information only. If there will be highlight overblown, we do not know where exactly will it be nor how large the area will be. So for the dead shadow. The best of zebra is it can tell me where and how large the overblown area will be. So if I am going for optimal exposure by way of ETTR of important highlight area, zebra can give me precise info whereas histrigram can't. Very easy to make decision on setting. For SOOC shooting, it is very important tool.

A reason on GX7, I have to guess for optimal exposure. Therefore I might have to leave some headroom on the setting and so would need more editing in PP.. Thanks to the zebra on GX85 & G85, I can do better setting. Also a lot faster on operation too...

After my cameras support zebra, histogram has been reduced to a 2nd reference info for exposure setting.
 
I have Zebras on and I do look at them, but mostly I look at the luminance histogram.
 
Because I'm diabetic, I have to watch my sugar intake. As much as I love them...Oh, wait... BLINKIES not Twinkies.

I only use blinkies for manual focus. I know some people use them for exposure adjustment, but I tend to just eyeball what is in the WYSIWYG viewfinder combined with experience.
 
The blown out area is the featureless white zone. If I need more than that a scroll of the EV bias wheel shows me extent & depth. The red bar at the upper edge of the histogram also helps.
 
Yes, and they do add capability not provided by the histogram. The 'over' and 'under' exposure warnings show the location of the under/over exposure in the image. This allows me to decide if the over/under exposure is important and whether the exposure can be increased without clipping. This feature is indispensable when using ETTR. It is set by adjusting the jpg parameters to low contrast and saturation. The settings can be verified/calibrated in your raw converter.
I agree but we are certainly in the minority.
 
Hi,

Highlights warnings allow me to concentrate on action / lower the risk to potentially lose target (bif) when looking up at histogram and I use them at all times, black and white points set to resp. 4 and 252 for some latitude.

Exposure is set on the whitest bird I can find, seagull, tufted duck or swan, and used even on ducks etc to avoid their wings undersides to be clipped when they burst out of water.
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
Yes, I've long abandoned the histogram.

The histogram tells you that you have a problem.

The blinkies tell you where the problem is so can make sensible decisions about what to do. The Olympus blinkies show both the over and the under areas.

Of course the blinkies are a partial misnomer as they only blink on review and stay steady (non-blinking) on preview. On another camera the moving zebras pattern on preview annoys and distracts me so it stays off 99% of the time.
 
Sometimes I use them, but mostly I don't. On my cameras the Olympus Highlight/Shadow indicators are set with the narrowest possible latitude and I wish it could be narrowed even more.
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
What is shadow alert good for?

Once you have maximized the exposure without clipping, the noise in shadows is what it is, there is no alternative.
--
Albert
** Please forgive my typo error.
** Please feel free to download my image and edit it as you like :-) **
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
Yes, I've long abandoned the histogram.

The histogram tells you that you have a problem.

The blinkies tell you where the problem is so can make sensible decisions about what to do. The Olympus blinkies show both the over and the under areas.

Of course the blinkies are a partial misnomer as they only blink on review and stay steady (non-blinking) on preview.
In terms of Panny cameras, the highlight alert on review (playback mode) is there since very early compact models before MILC.

Zebra of Panny is a feature of live view, only available from GX85 onward. Except for entry class model, most of them are in real time, directly responding to the setting similar to the lightness changing of Live View.

I guess this is what this thread concerns.

On another camera the moving zebras pattern on preview annoys and distracts me
Could be a personal preference IMHO.

In my flow of operation, select the shooting mode, set the parameter, then just dial in +ev by EC until zebra will appear. A precise guide on ETTR. I am very flexible on ETTR, but it is Avery valuable piece of information for my decision on the setting.

For the smaller size sensor of M43, optimal exposure could keep noise in better control no matter we shall do further NR or not.

As zebra appearance as my ETTR visual guide, I am actually looking to its appearance for my decision on exposure setting :-) .

Zebra of GX850 is not in real time (have to leave EC mode to see would zebra be there), has slowed me down a lot.
so it stays off 99% of the time.
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
What is shadow alert good for?

Once you have maximized the exposure without clipping, the noise in shadows is what it is, there is no alternative.
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
What is shadow alert good for?

Once you have maximized the exposure without clipping, the noise in shadows is what it is, there is no alternative.
Sometimes it is useful too.

Lower exposure van increase the saturation. I shall use -1/3ev very often on flower shooting for the color effect. For certain reasons we might also try to reduce the exposure for lower contrast or a darker output. For Sunset shooting I shall use -ev a lot.
Unless protecting highlights (e.g., sunset, red flowers), underexposure is always a bad idea in digital photography when shooting raw. You can always reduce the brightness in the post and get the same effect. Since the camera's sensors operate in their linear range only, the saturation effect should be the same.
When we ate intentionally looking for lower exposure, the shadow alert will be very useful to avoid too much underexposure.

This is not only important to SOOC shooting. Having completely black sector will be bad as having white saturated area.
At least with raw files, there is never "black clipping" in the shadows. Instead, the shadow detail gradually gets overwhelmed by noise. The shadow detail can often be recovered in post.

The shadow clipping does not tell us how much detail is still visible, as the noise depends on the selected exposure/scene light. Shadow clipping at ISO 100 may still be able to show a lot of detail, while shadow clipping at ISO 6400 may cause too much detail to be lost.

P.S.: I am aware that everybody has his own workflow that gives them good results.
 
The point is from histogram I shall never know directly where exactly the overblown will happen. Before zebra I have to guess where is it, how large the overblown area will be and so must spend more time on the setting and do it on a more conservative manner ...

For my style of shooting, zebra has replaced the position of histogram. I still have histogram displayed on evf is because Zebra of Panny does not have shadow alert...
What is shadow alert good for?

Once you have maximized the exposure without clipping, the noise in shadows is what it is, there is no alternative.
Sometimes it is useful too.

Lower exposure van increase the saturation. I shall use -1/3ev very often on flower shooting for the color effect. For certain reasons we might also try to reduce the exposure for lower contrast or a darker output. For Sunset shooting I shall use -ev a lot.
Unless protecting highlights (e.g., sunset, red flowers), underexposure is always a bad idea in digital photography when shooting raw. You can always reduce the brightness in the post and get the same effect. Since the camera's sensors operate in their linear range only, the saturation effect should be the same.
I am trying to avoid shooting RAW, nor over reliance on editing in PP nowadays :-) .

I was there before and changed before becoming a digital image painter.

I always asked myself, as long as if I can get the result on more careful setting, why just take a shot on ETTR, manipulate it for similar result afterward?

e.g. the following was a SOOC JPG taken on -0.33ev. The reason I use -0.33ev was because it could bring up the very pale purple color of the flower. Too much would turn the deeper purple color of the stamens into nearly black color. At 0ev or if I would push more, the flower would turn white.

As I can get it through -0.3ev, why I have to take a RAW at 0ev, darken the flower (on local basis with a mask to protect the stamens) on conversion to bring back the color for similar effect? Indeed the -0.3ev could also produce a darker background to emphasis on the flower. If I use 0ev or higher exposure, would need to darken the background too on conversion or editing in pp.

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I even took the following at -1.33ev to amplify on the purple color to my taste too. I don't think RAW at 0ev or higher exposure then edit it would give me more.

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Therefore all over the zebra discussion here, I use it for the shot which requiring optimal exposure only. It is not a holy grail, and is totally case dependent IMHO.
When we ate intentionally looking for lower exposure, the shadow alert will be very useful to avoid too much underexposure.

This is not only important to SOOC shooting. Having completely black sector will be bad as having white saturated area.
At least with raw files, there is never "black clipping" in the shadows. Instead, the shadow detail gradually gets overwhelmed by noise. The shadow detail can often be recovered in post.
While it is recoverable, usable or not is the concern. Better software might handle it better, however there is always a limit. Again if we can nail it through setting on shooting, why must leave room to do it on conversion/pp?

No matter it would be on RAW or SOOC JPG, there must be a balance (compromise) on the setting for the shadow as well as highlight. IMHO this is exactly where the decision of we have to do to determine how good an image to start with (RAW for less editing in post) or as an end result (SOOC JPG).

My 2 cents.
The shadow clipping does not tell us how much detail is still visible, as the noise depends on the selected exposure/scene light. Shadow clipping at ISO 100 may still be able to show a lot of detail, while shadow clipping at ISO 6400 may cause too much detail to be lost.

P.S.: I am aware that everybody has his own workflow that gives them good results.
--
Albert
** Please forgive my typo error.
** Please feel free to download my image and edit it as you like :-) **
 

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