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Do you think Sherpas carry all this weight for fun ?
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Do you think Sherpas carry all this weight for fun ?
Clayton1985
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Sure but that's only relevant if price is your highest or one of your highest priorities. And where do you draw that line... if price, size and IQ are your priorities then maybe the Sony A7R is the best camera for landscapes.At least from my point of view, if all one does is landscapes, a z7 makes a lot more sense than a Z8, assuming price is at all a concern.
I agree a Z8 has a lot of nice things for landscapes, but as Tom Heaton said in his video, is it worth the extra money to everyone? No.
I'd also argue the z7 is a better buy than the z7ii for landscapes, based on price, so I don't have a problem with consistency therethe 7ii (for landscapes, strictly speaking) does nothing of consequence AFAIK over the Gen 1, unless there's something major I missed.
If we're just buying camera equipment based on price to value then we'd all own older and less expensive equipment. The list of cameras and lenses that don't hold up in price to value comparisons is really long. Can you justify the 24-70 f2.8 S over the Tamron 28-75 if price to value is your priority? That doesn't change the fact that the 24-70 S is the better lens. For the same reason the Z8 is the better landscape camera but no doubt some users won't find enough value to justify the added cost and that makes perfect sense to me.
I love my Z7. I don't think of it as a backup. There are times when I will grab it over the Z9. I think if I had a Z8 that would still be the case, but less often.
Sense we are going down a tangent, Thomas Heaton, Nigel Danson and others have said it is the sum of a bunch of small things that make the Z8 work for them. Nigel is keeping his Z7. I did not talk about him so much because he is a Nikon he did not change his view. But I like his work and videos. They both point out that the Z7ii is a remarkable value for not only landscapes but many general photographers. I would agree with that. But if cost is not an huge issue and one is considering these two cameras the Z8 to me would be the one to get. It is all the little things. The frames per second (not important until you see wildlife where you happen to be shooting landscapes), Banks (I have one for general, one for landscapes and one for action/wildlife, and one left over), the buttons light up, the sensor shield, the two axis tilt screen and the like. I wish that Nikon had called it this Z8 the Z7iii and separated the Z6/7 twin thingie. That would leave Z8 for a high res (50-100 mp) camera. But it is not my company so I do not get to choose.
Sense we are going down a tangent, Thomas Heaton, Nigel Danson and others have said it is the sum of a bunch of small things that make the Z8 work for them. Nigel is keeping his Z7. I did not talk about him so much because he is a Nikon he did not change his view. But I like his work and videos. They both point out that the Z7ii is a remarkable value for not only landscapes but many general photographers. I would agree with that. But if cost is not an huge issue and one is considering these two cameras the Z8 to me would be the one to get. It is all the little things. The frames per second (not important until you see wildlife where you happen to be shooting landscapes), Banks (I have one for general, one for landscapes and one for action/wildlife, and one left over), the buttons light up, the sensor shield, the two axis tilt screen and the like. I wish that Nikon had called it this Z8 the Z7iii and separated the Z6/7 twin thingie. That would leave Z8 for a high res (50-100 mp) camera. But it is not my company so I do not get to choose.
I'm just not crazy about the frequent comments that seem to say that people need fps and C-AF are needed for landscapes. it is a negative in that one has to PAY for that feature over the cost of a z7 or z7II... Build quality maybe, but the z7 isn't made like a Holga. The sensor cover is good for some, in some dusty environments, so that is a plus, but how much. I've had a z7 for a couple years and cleaned the sensor once. Viewfinder and starlight aren't that important in landscape. Might be for astro, but that is different.
All I'm saying is that yes, the z8 is a better camera, but for certain situations and uses, it is way overkill given the price different. heck, if you don't need over 40mp and can use less than 25mp, the z6II can be the "one" one needs.
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Heaton actually went and did a base camp trek and IIRC only brought a smaller fuji specifically to save weight.
Count ounces and pounds will take care of themselves.
He did that.
With all respect . Sometimes I watch his videos because I like to watch many different YT channels about photography... for fun...
But why I should care what he used for his hikes or what he took for any trek or trip ? Some people take just phones, is their choice.
I know what I like and I decide what I take, no one else. I carry my stuff myself
Ok. Let us know how the Everest base camp trek went with two cameras once you've been up there.
Most people say Z8 is only 250 grams more vs Z7 >>> So for me TWO Z7 are only 400g more than Z8Ok. Let us know how the Everest base camp trek went with two cameras once you've been up there.
No worries I should be fine to do Base Camp with 2 cameras
SrMi
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You have a typo. The difference is 205g, not 250g (body only).Most people say Z8 is only 250 grams more vs Z7 >>> So for me TWO Z7 are only 400g more than Z8Ok. Let us know how the Everest base camp trek went with two cameras once you've been up there.
SrMi
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Would you please elaborate on why is Z8 the best landscape camera? I think D850 is stil unmatched as it offers multiple exposure with raw output, while Zs do not.
Clayton1985
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Who said that? I haven't seen one person say that probably in my entire lifetime.
Intriguing. Never used that feature. What do people use it for in landscape photography?
backayonder
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Made me smile when he borrowed a 14-24mm f2.8 S lens.
I’m not rich but even I managed to buy one.
I’m not rich but even I managed to buy one.
SrMi
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I use it for frame averaging: to simulate ND filter or to improve noise. You can do it in post as well, but I find it it too cumbersome.
Thanks. Not something I would have much use for, but good to hear other people's perspectives on feature sets.
Clayton1985
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Well no doubt some of this will be personal preference and I haven't looked at the Nikon DSLRs in years but I can think of a few things...
smaller and lighter system, better lenses, more versatile tilt screen, starlight mode, consistency of viewfinder to rear LCD experience, etc,
That said, full disclosure I would take the Z7 over the D850 without a second of hesitation so I'm not the best person to defend the D850
. The simplest answer to avoid going down the rabbit hole of discussing OVFs, battery life, etc is to just say that the Z lenses make the Z8 the better landscape camera and I don't think there is much to debate there.
SrMi
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Why do you think that Z 8 is a better landscape camera than Z 7 II?Well no doubt some of this will be personal preference and I haven't looked at the Nikon DSLRs in years but I can think of a few things...
smaller and lighter system, better lenses, more versatile tilt screen, starlight mode, consistency of viewfinder to rear LCD experience, etc,
That said, full disclosure I would take the Z7 over the D850 without a second of hesitation so I'm not the best person to defend the D850
P.S.: I mentioned D850 only because it has a landscape-relevant feature that no other Z camera has.
Clayton1985
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Most of these I mentioned in a previous post in this thread. The Z8 tilt screen, backlit buttons, viewfinder, starlight mode, build quality, operating temperature, sensor cover, and customization are all advantages of the Z8.
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