six34sigma
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The moment I see something from T&C, I ignore it. Each to his or her own however.
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sportyaccordy
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Yea strange comparison. I guess it makes sense as they are all close in price. But it's hard to imagine anyone cross shopping these anyway given how different they are, and how entrenched in an existing system I imagine most $4000 camera body shoppers are.
Is the difference between any of these worth the additional four figure switching costs? I'd wager Canon and Sony shooters looking for more speed would be better off buying an R5 + R6 or A1 respectively, vs selling everything off for a Z8 for example. Even if the Z8 is the "better" camera.
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So you'd read up on other systems by people who pretty much only shoot Nikon? You can't be serious.
I'm not here to promote/support C&T or youtube in general. But a question for all the "everything is fine, nothing to see here: Nikon MILC faithful, why has Nikon's market share tanked so badly? Or is that also fake news?
sportyaccordy
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Having no interest in systems outside of Nikon <> being the strawman Nikon defender you presented. One can use and enjoy a system/brand without being an ambassador for it.
starbase218
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The time when admins remove topics because they link to "unwanted" sources will be a very, very sad day for all members here.
chambeshi
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You obviously have not checked up those two most comprehensive websites, they compare products of different systems. The Nikon reviews happen to be reliable.
I also centrally on LensRentals eg
The Great 400mm f/2.8 Teardown Comparison. Part 1 – The Canon 400mm f/2.8 L IS III
We tend to not publish tear-downs of super-telephoto lenses. They're big and heavy, always well made and well engineered, like you would expect in something that costs as much as a used car. Big, heavy, and boring don't make for an interesting teardown. So we take them apart, make our in-house...
www.lensrentals.com
For the record, if you're interested in my parochial interests, I read blog posts and reviews across photography.... But if I plan to spend real money, well, I learned years ago who are reliable to make an informed decision. Being locked into a Nikon system constrains my choices on planet Earth to within Nikon.
If I won the lottery I would buy a parallel L mount system in Leica glass, a SL2 or more, and perhaps a Sigma or more.
LTheWafflePWN
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+1, I don't know if these people are shooting in AF-S and then moving forwards/backwards perhaps? AF-C, with an 85mm f/1.2 wide open nails eye AF in the Z8, virtually every time. The 5/100 times it "misses" candids are times where the sharp parts aren't sharp anyway because my shutter speed of 1/160 to 1/250 is inadequate for the speed a subject is moving.
I guess I don't really use the 70-200mm for portraits much though, but at f/2.8 it seems odd to have such a shallow plane of focus that they don't even get a whole eye in focus, unless they (or the subject) is moving forward or backward..
sirhawkeye64
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Well, probably because the initial posts generally don't violate the guidelines, but rather the responses usually go down some rabbit hole to a point where they start becoming questionable and then posts then get shut down/locked or deleted.
It's more that those responding should probably have some self control when responding to controversial links/videos, etc. As I had mentioned in my other reply, in reality, it doesn't matter unless you're starting from scratch perhaps, but anyone who is seriously invested into any of the systems is less likely to jump ship over one or two features unless it's something they actually need for their work that their current system cannot handle.
I do read them all, which is why I know they're nikon-centric. (No exclusive, by definitely centric.) Lensrental used to be a lot more informative, though not as much in the last 2-3 years.
Agreed. I'm just blown away by the number of people who think that any criticsm of Nikon is to be automatically discarded as shills, social media influencers, not-skilled-enough users, etc. Apparently that sums up most camera purchasers, if market share is any representation.
That's too much of a generality.
When you call for banning, please reply with a list of those "certain" things you would not allow.
For many here, at least judging by the number of "likes" (is this Instagram??) for posts calling for/supporting removing the T&C video link, it's already a "very, very sad day."
It's very hard to have a true " unbiased" review/comment, everyone always have his/her own personal preference on how things " supposed" to be, myself a multiple system user have been shooting both Canon and Nikon for over 25 years, and fast forward to 2023, I have a Z7, Z9 on Nikon and old 1Dx, (and a few dinosaur 1Ds3 and 1D MK IV which I only kept it as souvenir) on Canon land, as well as few 7R series from Sony, while I love the Z9 but I still prefer the ergonomics with the Canon 1Dx. tried the R3 and love it more than my Z9 also, specifically hate all my Nikon only offer two control dials while all my Canon has 3, and the R3 offer two set of Cfn buttons that can be use in horizontal and vertical position while Nikon doesn't makes those two button useless when shooting vertical, so does it mean I am a "Nikon basher"? no way, but I do have my own preference and not afraid to express my opinion.
primeshooter
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I watch their videos from time to time; more from just morbid curiosity sake because they do put their own swing on things a great deal and the swing is often directed towards what will bring them the most clicks and likes. I understand this is a game to them to make money but it shows very little integrity IMO. They come off quite sleazy sometimes and are full of BS clickbait titles and perhaps like the sound of their own voices a little too much. Their opinions tend to swing in the direction that will generate more controversy and thus money. In recent times, it was absolutely unimaginable they attacked an icon such as Steve McCurry. Tony even pauses halfway through the defamation of Steve's character to mention his sponsor of today's video, you guessed it - Squarespace. He then took down the video, but another is back up (supposedly as he received contact from Steve's team about some inaccuracies), and then went on put out a weasel - worded 'we aren't attacking Steve' video. Yeah - the guy is a class act for sure...
But even despite this all, I absolutely defend the right of any poster to post a link such as this to a review. We do not need 'North Korea Type' moderation here. Yes their recent video screams of 'we need to do a video this week to satisfy our sponsor and get clicks' but it should be the user's choice whether to watch the end result.
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ghostfox_1
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Sure. But you're not other people, who do make it a point to be overly harsh on nikon, when it's often something they could do better. Oh, fro. Using auto area while shooting sports and complaining it didn't pick the player he wanted.
I dislike Canon control setups. Good cameras, and some interesting lenses, but I don't find them physically comfortable to shoot with like I do nikon bodies.
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Well, there should be. But ....
AstigmaticOwl
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Good summary.
If I recall correctly, the score spread is 4 points and they end by saying that any one could be better for you depending on what you shoot.
PaulBearer
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Considering everything they tested is either subjective or subject to operator differences, there's no point in picking a winner when they are that close.
NIkon was better at sports and wildlife. For almost everything else I can make adjustments.
They downgraded Nikon slightly because it has fewer z lenses than the native lenses of the other two. No mention of the vast number of f lenses for the Nikon that are cheap and excellent quality. Downgraded Nikon for fewer viewfinder pixels, not mentioning that the Nikon is brighter and preferred by many.
There were downgrades for the others for spurious reasons as well.
Basically to draw eyeballs.
NIkon was better at sports and wildlife. For almost everything else I can make adjustments.
They downgraded Nikon slightly because it has fewer z lenses than the native lenses of the other two. No mention of the vast number of f lenses for the Nikon that are cheap and excellent quality. Downgraded Nikon for fewer viewfinder pixels, not mentioning that the Nikon is brighter and preferred by many.
There were downgrades for the others for spurious reasons as well.
Basically to draw eyeballs.
michaeladawson
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Not only brighter, but basically no blackouts.
So of the 80, 81, and 83 scores which brand got which score? Was Nikon last?
Given that the Z8 is basically the same camera as the Z9 are we to believe that the Sony and Canon are the equal of or superior to the Z9? Then the A1 and R3 must put the Z9 to shame.
Those two might say a lot of believable things. But I think everything they say is suspect.
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I don't know why people see reviews as some sort of contest. They are intended to give help for an individual to decide which camera best fits their own individual needs. People should consider the reviews of those categories that matter to them.
Perhaps the reviewers (including DPR reviewers) have only themselves to blame by giving overall aggregate scores, like it is gymnastics or figure skating to determine a "winner." Then some people get upset and outraged when they don't agree with the judges' scores for their camera. Reviews aren't for people who have already bought their camera(s), they are for people considering buying one.
Perhaps the reviewers (including DPR reviewers) have only themselves to blame by giving overall aggregate scores, like it is gymnastics or figure skating to determine a "winner." Then some people get upset and outraged when they don't agree with the judges' scores for their camera. Reviews aren't for people who have already bought their camera(s), they are for people considering buying one.
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