The Z8 has ruined me.....

  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot
I totally disagree. Being able to hit the play button with my right thumb without having to reposition either hand is way better.
How? Is your thumb double jointed, or perhaps my thumb is in the wrong position on my hand? I don't believe you that you can press the button on the bottom-back-right of the camera without "repositioning", moving, or loosening your grip in the camera. I've genuinely tried this out, and there is physically no way I can accomplish this feat without losing my dominant hand's grip on the camera.



Holding the camera as I would normally.
Holding the camera as I would normally.



My best attempt at trying to get my thumb to the bottom of the camera without moving my palm and lower three fingers. Failing, because the camera is leaning away from my palm.
My best attempt at trying to get my thumb to the bottom of the camera without moving my palm and lower three fingers. Failing, because the camera is leaning away from my palm.

I can hit the button quite easily if I remove my palm from the camera.... But that's repositioning my grip on the body.

We're totally fine to agree to disagree, but now I'm genuinely curious if you have a method of hitting that button while keeping a grip in the camera with your right hand.
 
  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot
I totally disagree. Being able to hit the play button with my right thumb without having to reposition either hand is way better.
How? Is your thumb double jointed, or perhaps my thumb is in the wrong position on my hand? I don't believe you that you can press the button on the bottom-back-right of the camera without "repositioning", moving, or loosening your grip in the camera. I've genuinely tried this out, and there is physically no way I can accomplish this feat without losing my dominant hand's grip on the camera.
Let me start off by saying that unlike you, I use both hands when I'm taking pictures. I use my left hand at all times to support the camera.

When using my Z7II to preview pictures, I have two options. (1) I can shift the support of the camera to my right hand and use my left thumb to press the playback button. This of course requires me to completely reposition my left hand, or (2) I can remove my right hand from the right side of the camera (while my left hand continues to support the camera's weight) and reach over to the left side of the camera to press the playback button. Either way, I have to reposition my left or right hand to preview pictures.

With my Z8, my left hand continues to support the camera. With my right thumb, I reach down to press the playback button. I don't think a person needs to be double-jointed to press the playback button with one's thumb. It's a simple matter of twisting the wrist down slightly.

When I used the term "repositioning, I was referring to removing a hand from one general location on the camera body to a completely different location. I think that you are splitting hairs if you think that slightly moving one's wrist is the same as repositioning one's hand.
 
  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot
I totally disagree. Being able to hit the play button with my right thumb without having to reposition either hand is way better.
How? Is your thumb double jointed, or perhaps my thumb is in the wrong position on my hand? I don't believe you that you can press the button on the bottom-back-right of the camera without "repositioning", moving, or loosening your grip in the camera. I've genuinely tried this out, and there is physically no way I can accomplish this feat without losing my dominant hand's grip on the camera.
Let me start off by saying that unlike you, I use both hands when I'm taking pictures. I use my left hand at all times to support the camera.
I usually do shoot with two hands as well, but for the photos (deleted from this thread) I used my left hand to capture them. Unlike you, my right hand at all times supports the camera. My left hand steadies the lens most of the time.
When using my Z7II to preview pictures, I have two options. (1) I can shift the support of the camera to my right hand and use my left thumb to press the playback button. This of course requires me to completely reposition my left hand, or (2) I can remove my right hand from the right side of the camera (while my left hand continues to support the camera's weight) and reach over to the left side of the camera to press the playback button. Either way, I have to reposition my left or right hand to preview pictures.
I see, this is where the disconnect was. You completely have the burden of your camera and lens in your left hand, and are able to move your right hand freely. I hold my cameras almost completely in my right hand, and simply steady them with my left hand.
When I used the term "repositioning, I was referring to removing a hand from one general location on the camera body to a completely different location. I think that you are splitting hairs if you think that slightly moving one's wrist is the same as repositioning one's hand.
I don't think I'm splitting hairs. Your right hand no longer supports the majority weight of your camera if you shift it down far enough to press that button. The center of your palm no longer touches. We can agree to disagree on whether that's repositioning, I suppose. For someone who holds the majority of a camera's weight in their right hand and lens in their left, I now have to remove my hand from where it was on the right of the camera, shift the weight to my left hand, and re-grip the camera and shift the weight back after pressing a button.

The problem with simply shifting your majority grip on the lens to your left hand is, if you were steadying the camera/lens with the zoom ring or manual focus ring you would likely either turn the ring while shifting weight around, or need to 'reposition'* your left hand somewhere else too, only to 'reposition'* your left hand back when you wish to adjust zooming or focusing. * Is for my usage of reposition.

To each their own.

**Edit if I sounded at all rude, dramatic, or rageful, I sincerely apologize. It is not my intention at all. I understand that you and I fundamentally hold the distribution of weight of our cameras/lens differently, and I respect this.
 
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Complaints:
  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot. I cannot fathom why it is where it is (on the right side of the body) but apparently Ken Rockwell thinks its a 'Good' thing... Odd, considering that the button has been there since at least the D700? Yes I have custom mapped the Key (protect?) button to become the play button in spirit, but it's annoying to have the wrong image on the button. Maybe in some future camera Nikon could figure out how to let us end-users swap the physical button out with the icon of what the setting actually is (would need to think about durability concerns, button illumination, etc). Not getting my hopes up.
I assigned the Fn3 (lock button) for "play button". :-)
I've programmed playback the front Fn2 on the Z9, which allows instant review when I need it. And in the playback controls, Fn2 is set to zoom, so "double clicking" enlarges displays and zooms the last image.
Am I understanding that the Fn2 button can be assigned to do different things without reprogramming it?
 
Complaints:
  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot. I cannot fathom why it is where it is (on the right side of the body) but apparently Ken Rockwell thinks its a 'Good' thing... Odd, considering that the button has been there since at least the D700? Yes I have custom mapped the Key (protect?) button to become the play button in spirit, but it's annoying to have the wrong image on the button. Maybe in some future camera Nikon could figure out how to let us end-users swap the physical button out with the icon of what the setting actually is (would need to think about durability concerns, button illumination, etc). Not getting my hopes up.
I assigned the Fn3 (lock button) for "play button". :-)
I've programmed playback the front Fn2 on the Z9, which allows instant review when I need it. And in the playback controls, Fn2 is set to zoom, so "double clicking" enlarges displays and zooms the last image.
Am I understanding that the Fn2 button can be assigned to do different things without reprogramming it?
 
Complaints:
  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot. I cannot fathom why it is where it is (on the right side of the body) but apparently Ken Rockwell thinks its a 'Good' thing... Odd, considering that the button has been there since at least the D700? Yes I have custom mapped the Key (protect?) button to become the play button in spirit, but it's annoying to have the wrong image on the button. Maybe in some future camera Nikon could figure out how to let us end-users swap the physical button out with the icon of what the setting actually is (would need to think about durability concerns, button illumination, etc). Not getting my hopes up.
I assigned the Fn3 (lock button) for "play button". :-)
I've programmed playback the front Fn2 on the Z9, which allows instant review when I need it. And in the playback controls, Fn2 is set to zoom, so "double clicking" enlarges displays and zooms the last image.
Am I understanding that the Fn2 button can be assigned to do different things without reprogramming it?
The controls have different setup for photo, playpack and movie modes. So if in photo mode Fn2 is set to start playback, the same button can be set to different funtion while in playback (after one click).
Ladies and gentlemen -- I hope by now you have downloaded the Nikon guidance note on which roles can be assigned to the vast number of programmable buttons on the Z8 and Z9 -- all the drama and out rage in this thread by you choosing how you want your camera to work.
 
Ladies and gentlemen -- I hope by now you have downloaded the Nikon guidance note on which roles can be assigned to the vast number of programmable buttons on the Z8 and Z9 -- all the drama and out rage in this thread by you choosing how you want your camera to work.
I think you're missing the point. There are a vast number of options, but not the basic options you'd expect, or have used with MOST other Nikon cameras. No other brand I've used has these issues. They may seem minor to you, but they are not to me. The INFO screen requires that you press another button to change between the top and bottom touchscreen options. The bottom is "just" the i menu though. I don't see any reason for that to be redundant. You can't set the more useful "i" menu to be active by default. However, then I'd want to remap the "i" button. LOL This UI is not done very well. PERIOD.

I don't know why we don't have double and long-press options by now either. ;) I'm TRYING not to rant or brand bash. I'm giving the Z8 a full chance.
 
The z8 is a no-brainer. All you need is nikon to finally release the 200-600 & rebadge the samyang 35-150
Ask and ye shall receive.....
 
all the drama and out rage in this thread
I hope not. If I caused any, that was not at all my intention. Particularly if I sounded dramatic or rageful towards @aufinger , I really was not. It was determined that he holds the distribution of weight of his camera/lens differently than I do, and he doesn't consider releasing the grip of his right hand to count as repositioning. It's totally fine, but my personal complaint is still my complaint.

Heck, off-topic example, some people actually prefer the ergonomics of Sony cameras somehow. I cannot fathom this, but thousands of people would call me wrong for my choice in Nikon's layout and grip style. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I went into a local camera store and bought the Z8 today, according to the guy I spoke to it was selling really well.


When trying it out there was one thing that puzzled me immediately; the sensor shield is a great feature but wth is it set to OFF by default?

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I went into a local camera store and bought the Z8 today, according to the guy I spoke to it was selling really well.
When trying it out there was one thing that puzzled me immediately; the sensor shield is a great feature but wth is it set to OFF by default?
The only thing I can think of is if someone went to clean a sensor, they may not know how to raise the shield (as you have to turn off the Z cameras to clean the sensor, opposite of what you do with a DSLR). That's the only reason I could think that this was defaulted to OFF. People might even to go to the extent to trying to open it by hand and damaging it so it's safer to leave it OFF (leave the shield off/retracted) than enable it by default, espeically if someone is unaware of it. Plus Nikon may not want to get flooded with calls from people thinking their shutter is stuck closed too (even though the Z8/Z9 don't have a mechanical shutter anyway).

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Thanks, when thinking about it - what you say makes good sense.

On another note - wow that startup time of the camera *really* is instant, and the autofocus seems fantastic :)
I went into a local camera store and bought the Z8 today, according to the guy I spoke to it was selling really well.
When trying it out there was one thing that puzzled me immediately; the sensor shield is a great feature but wth is it set to OFF by default?
The only thing I can think of is if someone went to clean a sensor, they may not know how to raise the shield (as you have to turn off the Z cameras to clean the sensor, opposite of what you do with a DSLR). That's the only reason I could think that this was defaulted to OFF. People might even to go to the extent to trying to open it by hand and damaging it so it's safer to leave it OFF (leave the shield off/retracted) than enable it by default, espeically if someone is unaware of it. Plus Nikon may not want to get flooded with calls from people thinking their shutter is stuck closed too (even though the Z8/Z9 don't have a mechanical shutter anyway).
 
I went into a local camera store and bought the Z8 today, according to the guy I spoke to it was selling really well.

When trying it out there was one thing that puzzled me immediately; the sensor shield is a great feature but wth is it set to OFF by default?
 
  • The tied-for-biggest complaint for me is that the "Play" button to review photos is in entirely the wrong spot
I totally disagree. Being able to hit the play button with my right thumb without having to reposition either hand is way better.
This is all a matter of personal choice - since there are 20 buttons and controls on the Z8 that can be programmed and 85 potential roles that can be used -- each of us gets to choose where we put commands like image preview - it can stay as default, shifted to Fn3 or moved to another button all is choice. There is no right or wrong - just personal preference.
 
I went into a local camera store and bought the Z8 today, according to the guy I spoke to it was selling really well.

When trying it out there was one thing that puzzled me immediately; the sensor shield is a great feature but wth is it set to OFF by default?
Well, after some time, even you will switch it OFF. It may not sound logical, but it makes good amount of sound in switching ON and OFF. After few days, this sound will start irritating you, and you will switch the shield OFF, and turn it ON only when you want to change the lens. So I think Nikon is logical...
Some people find it annoying, but most don't. It's not actually that loud. If you think it is, I recommend comparing it to most sounds dslrs make when you shoot them. Especially something like a d5.
 
Thank you for this very comprehensive review from your standpoint! I am a wedding photographer currently running with 2 x Z7II and I want to sell one and get a Z8. Seems like the right time to do and the right tool to replace. I use OCF and read about banding etc even people selling their Z8 for a mechanical shutter body and I am kinda lost if its actually worth upgrading the Z7II. Id greatly appreciate your input on this. Seems like Z8 is perfect to pair with the Z7II but its a lot of $$$ and I want to avoid sending back etc (cant rent where I live)

TIA
 
Thank you for this very comprehensive review from your standpoint! I am a wedding photographer currently running with 2 x Z7II and I want to sell one and get a Z8. Seems like the right time to do and the right tool to replace. I use OCF and read about banding etc even people selling their Z8 for a mechanical shutter body and I am kinda lost if its actually worth upgrading the Z7II. Id greatly appreciate your input on this. Seems like Z8 is perfect to pair with the Z7II but its a lot of $$$ and I want to avoid sending back etc (cant rent where I live)

TIA
I've seen some of those posts here and there as well on flash banding, and I don't really know how some of those people are getting those results in the real world. That said, I suppose there's more than one way to use flash. I mainly use it to stop motion and provide light in dark receptions. If you set the Z8 to a 1/200th flash sync speed (same as max flash sync speed of the Z7ii), I don't think you're going to have any issues -or at least I haven't. If you set the Z8 to its highest flash sync speed (1/250th), I think you may run into problems depending on what brand of flash and which products in particular.

I use a 1/200th sync speed and I use a variety of Godox flashes, mainly to V1's and the ad300pro's. No issues at all -no 'banding'. I think if you have a higher end brand of flash like Profoto or Westcott, the chances of an issue are even less likely. Of the post's I've seen with with the 'banding' problem they were even cheaper Yongnuo flashes or Godox 860-somethings, but slower sync speeds fixed the issues for those too.

I've used HSS a few times, and I don't remember having any issues with 'banding' there either. I can't say I use HSS very often though.
 
Thank you for this very comprehensive review from your standpoint! I am a wedding photographer currently running with 2 x Z7II and I want to sell one and get a Z8. Seems like the right time to do and the right tool to replace. I use OCF and read about banding etc even people selling their Z8 for a mechanical shutter body and I am kinda lost if its actually worth upgrading the Z7II. Id greatly appreciate your input on this. Seems like Z8 is perfect to pair with the Z7II but its a lot of $$$ and I want to avoid sending back etc (cant rent where I live)

TIA
Well, you had better hurry if you're going to get one as I think the $3500 price may end sooner than later.

The only time that I saw issues with flash was with HSS and with my Godox system (I sold my Nikon flashes so I don't know if the problem persists with theirs as well, but my guess is probably not). However I didn't see anything with regular strobe usage (non-HSS) in my experience, but this may depend on the specific strobes and triggers used.

I can replicate the banding on my Z8 pretty much consistently with my setup though.

I would say a good compromise might be the Z6 III as it still has a mechanical shutter, but the partially stacked sensor may not have the banding issue people generally refer to. But you'd have to be fine with 24MP is the "caveat" here. Otherwise, if you wanted to save some money ,go for the Zf which is similar just without the video stuff (AF may be a tad slower in some cases but should be suitable for portrait work).

I would say if you're after better AF, the Zf may be the "safe" option that has improved AF over the Z II's.

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